scot47

I wonder what the original inhabitants think of all this.

Beoz

Which ones?

http://theconversation.com/when-did-aboriginal-people-first-arrive-in-australia-100830

the troubadour

Those giving deeper consideration, perhaps akin to the Irish, in England, when they welcomed the arrival of Caribbean immigrants, as it took some of the heat, in the form of bias, away from them.

BadgeIsBack

Hard to follow some of that, but I agree with your first general point that people can be somewhat rudderless. You mentioned a philosophy originally, a higher calling.
I think that religion, or the institution of the church and associated network might have helped in the past and simply lost relevance for good reason.

I personally think that we all need some meaning which transcends above the immediacy we experience day to day. Of course for many it is a football club.
100 years ago it was football and church. Facebook became very much a religion for many - lots of FB acolytes around.

One of the things I notice is that people are very critical of religion to the point where they appear almost goaded by it. I am not a fan of it myself, but I appreciate the conviction, the intent if that is what helps people. I find Islam seemingly stricter than say Anglicanism. That's the reality. Many people go to church out of a sort of loyal habit - because they need the support network like some people head out to football games. Many religious people are not perfect and many would never preach. [There is this assumption that all religious people want to convert, or are self-righteous. One of the problems I've noticed in parts of the US and in suburban AU is how new some of the religions are - very much more happy clappy than your average Anglican [who drinks piss and swears and is evil Monday -Sat]. You have this situation where the happy-clappy, and most riled all live hundreds of meters apart... in the same suburb.

On a final note, (no pun intended) - I have been forced in recent years to concede that without religion we would not have some of the classical musical repertoire..or history of art.(lol!) I sing Verdi, Mozart, Beethhoven and half of it is essentially the Mass in Latin repeated ad finitum! Focus on the music, not the words...

the troubadour

Well you picked up obviously the odd word, here and there. I mentioned a philosophy yes, not necessary a deity, but can of course. I don't necessary think any such thing. I se main stream religion still of relevance in South America. I see it in Islamic countries , as well as African communities in Australia. Obviously the assault of material values and individualism has displaced main stream religion in much of the West, but far from all of it.
Yes many are rudderless, with not only religious belief dissipated but entire cultural norms that have guided western culture since time began, (a lot based on Judeo Christian message) dissipating with little of worth as a replacement.
People applaud the 'void' as some awakening but seem lost how to describe just what exactly the replacement has been. Not a fan of the' happy clappy' type of religious appropriation at all, but not about me, others find some meaning, so be it. Farcebook probably is a religion of sorts, in terms of a sort of salvation for some, which goes a little towards fingering just how far we, or members of our society have regressed.

I'll endeavour to keep it short as to not complicate comprehension.

Amazulu

Multiculturalism in the west has been such a success hasn't it:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eastern-france


Drip, drip, drip.........

the troubadour

That drip is becoming increasingly troublesome. Just a question of calling a shrink or a plumber as the next step forward. But you are right, multiculturalism has been remarkably successful regardless of efforts of right wing racists (real enemy) and the odd few (packed for Perth) South Africans.

Amazulu

uh uh

the troubadour

Obviously a dripping faucet caused by constant, unnecessary function with worn out rubbers.

Amazulu

I've told you before, it's essentially pointless trying to debate with you because:
a. I'd get more out of debating with a chimp
b. You're basically f**king mental

So, party on with that

the troubadour

Well stop telling then and attempt at debate. A line or two of right wing ideological mutterings is not debate. You know with me your shite just won't carry. You really should look 'deep ' into yourself and ask the question, "Why am I the way I am". The rhetoric hasn't changed over the years. So predictable and filled with narrow minded rhetoric, poorly thought out.
I'd really get that drip looked at. From outward appearances, far more risk, that a purely faulty faucet caused by excessive rubbing. These things left, only tend to create far more severe problems, further down the road.
I'll leave you to chatter and party on then with' your bestie' chimp friend and share a banana. No doubt the chimp must be' in meltdown' having to listen to your uncoordinated utterances all day long. (I really feel for the animal)

Amazulu

uh uh

the troubadour

No doubt your little primate pal has sought refuge in the highest tree, hence unavailable to advise you of response. Although probably one of the the more elegant of responses from yours truly to date.
Now what was the topic under discussion again?

Amazulu

Home-grown Islamic terrorism and the failure of multiculturalism in the West

the troubadour

Ah yes. The real threat. Good to see that nazi/red neck terrorist down South USA , got a life term and a couple of years to reflect of the reasons for his unfounded hatred. Home grown white men with severe personality issues, clouded in guise of mental illness are a definite threat to stability.
Great to see multiculturalism defining nations as Australia and Canada in such a successful way. I'm sure there are 'places' for those, who attempt to poison and create mischief on all sides of out diverse communities, while awaiting removal to state of origin. Ask your primate to fill you in when he gathers courage to descend from the trees.