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MikeStanton May 2nd 2004 2:22 pm

Is this sporting?
 
Picture it.

You're sitting in an Aussie pub (having just finished your lunch at the (sic) Chinese Smorgasbord) and your Aussie mates bend your ear for the 286th time to tell you that the Brits are crap at sport and 'dinki dis' are so much better. So, why not try a different sort of game?
Ask them to name 10 things Aussies have invented, created or done, since Federation in 1901, that have had a positive impact on many lives. And you'll name 10 that the Brits have done in the same period.

1 point for a positive impact in your own country, 2 if the impact extends to other countries. Oh, and derivatives -such as the ABC- don't count.

No worries, they say. And then tell them that sports, film and music are excluded.

Silence.

At that point most of the Aussies will mumble under their breath, some will shuffle-off to the bar, some will make an extended visit to the toilet, another might say he needs to visit his ute to talk to his Blue Heeler dog named 'Go Away'. And the one Aussie that's game for a battle will remain (badge ?).

Why after 1901? Well, for UK, using examples like the English language; works of Shakespeare and Dickens; vaccination and trial by jury, would hardly be fair, would it? :)


For the UK, here's a few to begin with:

- first TV transmission
- BBC
- discovery of penicillin,
- invention of CAT scanner, ultrasound machine
- radar
- during the second world war - Winston Churchill's leadership, Battle of Britain, cracking of Enigma code etc
- National Health Service
- Open University
- Internet - invented the world wide web
- first commercial jet-powered plane
- Keynesian economics
- Oxford English Dictionary
- Amnesty International

...sorry, I said 10.... :)

And for Oz?

Your turn...

ianj May 2nd 2004 2:33 pm

Maybe they could say Oz itself

But then wasn't that down to us as well and our goodwill to give them a cheap holiday. :D

Only joking, if I wasn't then I wouldn't be Melbourne bound.

seang May 2nd 2004 5:05 pm

invention of black box flight recorder
invention of bionic ear
invention of multi focal contact lens
first car radio
world first feature film
teleprinter
first round the world airline sevice
inflatable airline escape slide
first blind reading machine
of course the ute :)

jaruky May 2nd 2004 6:53 pm

- Flexible wine casks... the bag in the box.
- The boomerang. Ancient weapon of the aboriginies. Other cultures have throwing sticks but none came back to the thrower if it missed the target.
- The Notepad. In the whole history of paper, it had been sold and used in single sheets until in 1902 JA Birchall thought it would be a good idea to stack a pile of half sheets together, back it with cardboard and glue one end.
Making the world's first notepad.
- The worlds first bathing beauty contest was held in Australia in 1920.
The Automatic letter sorting machine - 1930
Two stroke lawn mower.
The rotary hoist washing line.
Lithium as a treatment for manic depression.
Latex gloves 1945

maxpaxx May 2nd 2004 7:47 pm

Re: Is this sporting?
 
1) Refridgeration
2)Penicillin
3)Electronic pacemaker
4)Differential Gears
5)Combine Harvester
6)Gene Shears
7)Thrust Bearing
8)The Mills Cross
9)pre-paid postage
10) castors
11)record Changer
12)Good old Granny smith Apple
11)Xerox photocoping
12)Kiwi shoe polish
13)Electric Drill
14)vegemite
15) Rupert Murdoch.......sorry but doesn't he control the minds of all the UK Sun readers out there!!!:D (yes I know the man was educated at Oxford but he is an Aussie) - and a powerful one!!

...I don't think they have done too bad for a 200 and odd year old country..!!!

MikeStanton May 2nd 2004 8:20 pm

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by maxpaxx
1) Refridgeration
2)Penicillin
3)Electronic pacemaker
4)Differential Gears
5)Combine Harvester
6)Gene Shears
7)Thrust Bearing
8)The Mills Cross
9)pre-paid postage
10) castors
11)record Changer
12)Good old Granny smith Apple
11)Xerox photocoping
12)Kiwi shoe polish
13)Electric Drill
14)vegemite
15) Rupert Murdoch.......sorry but doesn't he control the minds of all the UK Sun readers out there!!!:D (yes I know the man was educated at Oxford but he is an Aussie) - and a powerful one!!

...I don't think they have done too bad for a 200 and odd year old country..!!!
Forget 1), 2) - they fail the derivatives test:

1) Refrigeration - Aussies developed the manufacturing plant, but not the process

2) Penicillin: An Australian (Florey) helped on its development, but did not discover it.

11) Xerox? Disagree. It was the American, Carlson who had the flash of inspiration.

12) Kiwi shoe polish? Surely, shoe polish existed at the time. This just happened to be popular.

14) Vegemite?? I would have thought as many people hate it as love it! :) It was made to compete with Marmite - so it's really a derivative

15) Murdoch? Now an American citizen. And, his company, News Corporation will no longer be traded on the Australian Stock Exchange (ASX). Perhaps this will be the start of a decline for the ASX..

A lot of people may disagree that this man had a positive impact on people's lives ;)

LaraandBryn May 2nd 2004 8:53 pm

How did you know that Mike would have an answer!!! Still, only refuting 6 out of about 34 is a pretty poor show. 'Egg' & 'face' come to mind.

cadabra May 2nd 2004 9:05 pm


Originally posted by seang
invention of black box flight recorder
invention of bionic ear
invention of multi focal contact lens
first car radio
world first feature film
teleprinter
first round the world airline sevice
inflatable airline escape slide
first blind reading machine
of course the ute :)


How come you havent answered this post Mike?? Makes me laugh when someone disproves a point. It is often swept under the carpet to avoid embarrassment :D :D

For a country which would be considered one of the youngest in the western world, i think they have done remarkably well.

You really must be insecure at the moment Michael, your need to ridicule those who welcomed you to their neighbourhood, which made you a lot of money is charming. They must be dead proud of you.

maxpaxx May 2nd 2004 10:01 pm

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by MikeStanton
Forget 1), 2) - they fail the derivatives test:

1) Refrigeration - Aussies developed the manufacturing plant, but not the process

2) Penicillin: An Australian (Florey) helped on its development, but did not discover it.

11) Xerox? Disagree. It was the American, Carlson who had the flash of inspiration.

12) Kiwi shoe polish? Surely, shoe polish existed at the time. This just happened to be popular.

14) Vegemite?? I would have thought as many people hate it as love it! :) It was made to compete with Marmite - so it's really a derivative

15) Murdoch? Now an American citizen. And, his company, News Corporation will no longer be traded on the Australian Stock Exchange (ASX). Perhaps this will be the start of a decline for the ASX..

A lot of people may disagree that this man had a positive impact on people's lives ;)
My you are a sour puss!

Kiwi Shoe Polish - developed by Melbourne businessman William Ramsay, this soon became the most successful shoe polish in the world. He chose the word 'Kiwi' because of his New Zealand wife.

Refrigeration - The first mechanical refrigeration plant was built in Melbourne by James Harrison in the 1850s.

Many firsts associated with in vitro fertilisation, including the birth of the first frozen embryo baby at the Queen Victoria Medical Centre in Melbourne1984.

...as for Murdoch theres a few million trillion SUN readers who would disagree! Love or hate him he is what controls the minds of it's mindless readers - I would call that a major offering to the western world albeit not one lets say a Times reader would approve of.

I used to love Britain - it has given the world a lot, but that kind of arrogant attitude of acheivements of yester year lies at the root of what is wrong here! There are talented people all over the globe.

So got your union jack boxers in a twist or what?


:D

tinaj May 2nd 2004 10:04 pm

Not another one of those 'Which country is better?' posts...How droll:o :o

Do you live in a country because you think it is the best at inventing things!! Or because it is the best place for you to live?:)

Sazzle May 2nd 2004 10:11 pm

Booooring...........:(

However let us "correct" a few erroneous ideas..

For the UK, here's a few to begin with:

- BBC

Well, this couldn't very well come from anywhere else.. get real!

- National Health Service

If you check it out you will find that the "colonies" had health services, education for all, a social state provision etc looong before the UK copied them (and badly).

- Open University
See above statement.


I could discuss the rest.. but frankly, cant be bothered.

Amazulu May 2nd 2004 10:44 pm

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by MikeStanton
Picture it.

You're sitting in an Aussie pub (having just finished your lunch at the (sic) Chinese Smorgasbord) and your Aussie mates bend your ear for the 286th time to tell you that the Brits are crap at sport and 'dinki dis' are so much better. So, why not try a different sort of game?
Ask them to name 10 things Aussies have invented, created or done, since Federation in 1901, that have had a positive impact on many lives. And you'll name 10 that the Brits have done in the same period.

1 point for a positive impact in your own country, 2 if the impact extends to other countries. Oh, and derivatives -such as the ABC- don't count.

No worries, they say. And then tell them that sports, film and music are excluded.

Silence.

At that point most of the Aussies will mumble under their breath, some will shuffle-off to the bar, some will make an extended visit to the toilet, another might say he needs to visit his ute to talk to his Blue Heeler dog named 'Go Away'. And the one Aussie that's game for a battle will remain (badge ?).

Why after 1901? Well, for UK, using examples like the English language; works of Shakespeare and Dickens; vaccination and trial by jury, would hardly be fair, would it? :)


For the UK, here's a few to begin with:

- first TV transmission
- BBC
- discovery of penicillin,
- invention of CAT scanner, ultrasound machine
- radar
- during the second world war - Winston Churchill's leadership, Battle of Britain, cracking of Enigma code etc
- National Health Service
- Open University
- Internet - invented the world wide web
- first commercial jet-powered plane
- Keynesian economics
- Oxford English Dictionary
- Amnesty International

...sorry, I said 10.... :)

And for Oz?

Your turn...
What's the point of this?. Who cares. Yes, Britain has invented loads of things. So what?. Doesn't make Australia a worse place.

bondipom May 2nd 2004 10:50 pm

One thing in common is the media in both countries complain about the inability to turn an invention into a commercially viable operation. Probably something to do with risk averse financial markets and a small venture capital industry.

Florida_03 May 2nd 2004 11:25 pm

Aussie twits...what would they know???

How do airplanes navigate and land???...T-Vasis???...DME???...MLS???

...and a few others...

Badge May 2nd 2004 11:29 pm

Mike

I am flattered.

;)

Florida_03 May 2nd 2004 11:34 pm


Originally posted by Florida_03
Aussie twits...what would they know???

How do airplanes navigate and land???...T-Vasis???...DME???...MLS???

...and a few others...
Now for the hard part...

Today Australia could NEVER invent these systems. It is now a retirement village...

ABCDiamond May 2nd 2004 11:51 pm


Originally posted by Florida_03
Now for the hard part...

Today Australia could NEVER invent these systems. It is now a retirement village...
OZ average age
In 2002 the median age of the population has increased to 35.1 years for males and 36.6 years for females.

Does this mean that most Aussies retire in mid 30's ?

And I had to wait till I was 50, its not fair !! :)

Florida_03 May 2nd 2004 11:59 pm


Originally posted by ABCDiamond
OZ average age
In 2002 the median age of the population has increased to 35.1 years for males and 36.6 years for females.

Does this mean that most Aussies retire in mid 30's ?

And I had to wait till I was 50, its not fair !! :)
They retire at 32 now I hear...nothing left to deliver...made all the money in the UK from real estate (buy house do nothing...sell when price artifically raised by fiscally irresponsibe governance)...

renth May 3rd 2004 12:26 am

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by MikeStanton


For the UK, here's a few to begin with:

- discovery of penicillin,

Your turn...
The Aussies claim this one

Mel Gibson May 3rd 2004 2:07 am

Australian inventions.
1850: James Harrison invented the refrigerator

1889: The electric drill.

1906: World's first feature film.

1912: The Tank, which would allow the allies the break the trench
deadlock and win WW1

1915: The Asprin or Aspro as it was called then.

1924: The car radio

1934: the ute

1958: The Black Box flight recorder

1979: The Bionic Ear allowin hundreds of thousands of deaf people around the world to hear.

Sandra May 3rd 2004 3:33 am

http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/sci_achv.html

Interesting page - seems there are quite a few Australian achievements.

Obviously this thread is a recurring theme on this site - my dad bigger than your dad!

Without entering into a battle - I am quite enjoying learning about Australia, my children obviously have school assignments some of which are obviously Australian based and I often get asked for support, trouble is I do not know half the answers because my education was UK based! So I have to do a lot of research to up my knowledge. So far I have learnt all about the Australian Prime Ministers - 25 turns in office so far, Youngest was John Christian Watson at 37, etc etc, First Labour Government in the world!

I am therefore indebted to this site for stirring me to find out more - now I know the nobel prize for the discovery of penicillin was shared between a British Person and an Australian! Excellent, I was obviously in the dark before.

I knew all about the wonderful advances with the cochlear implant (bionic ear) -small point - only around 20,000 have had the implant so far not hundreds of thousands.

I am looking forward to finding out more and expanding my education - keep it up.

Cheers Sandra

Mel Gibson May 3rd 2004 6:06 am

Australia recently held the most successful Olympic games in history. Britain can't get the games even though it keeps trying.

Mel Gibson May 3rd 2004 6:22 am

Australia invented the Aeroplane. An Australian called Lawrence Hargraves invented the world's first powered flying machine when he attached an engine to a cellular box-kite he invented.
However he could'nt overcome the weight problems of his aeroplane. The wright brothers then ripped off most of his ideas and
went down in history as having invented the aeroplane.

Sandra May 3rd 2004 6:25 am


Originally posted by Mel Gibson
Australia invented the Aeroplane. An Australian called Lawrence Hargraves invented the world's first powered flying machine when he attached an engine to a cellular box-kite he invented.
However he could'nt overcome the weight problems of his aeroplane. The wright brothers then ripped off most of his ideas and
went down in history as having invented the aeroplane.
He was an English! Born in England and moved to Aus at 15!

Which starts a whole new/old row about nationality, but lets forget that please :D

Trevglas May 3rd 2004 7:00 am

The trouble with this game is it can so easily backfire on you. Imagine my glee when England beat Australia at Rugby Union in the warm up friendly before last years world cup. I was finally able to rag the aussies I worked with right up until Australia beat England at soccer a week or so later

DOH!

By the way, for the lists people seem to be compiling, Focus Night and Day, Cibavisions "wear all the time for 30 days" contact lens was invented by CSIRO in Australia

wmoore May 3rd 2004 7:42 am


Originally posted by Mel Gibson
Australia invented the Aeroplane. An Australian called Lawrence Hargraves invented the world's first powered flying machine when he attached an engine to a cellular box-kite he invented.
However he could'nt overcome the weight problems of his aeroplane. The wright brothers then ripped off most of his ideas and went down in history as having invented the aeroplane.
Surely the invention has to work to count???

Mel Gibson May 3rd 2004 7:49 am

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by MikeStanton
Picture it.

You're sitting in an Aussie pub (having just finished your lunch at the (sic) Chinese Smorgasbord) and your Aussie mates bend your ear for the 286th time to tell you that the Brits are crap at sport and 'dinki dis' are so much better. So, why not try a different sort of game?
Ask them to name 10 things Aussies have invented, created or done, since Federation in 1901, that have had a positive impact on many lives. And you'll name 10 that the Brits have done in the same period.

1 point for a positive impact in your own country, 2 if the impact extends to other countries. Oh, and derivatives -such as the ABC- don't count.

No worries, they say. And then tell them that sports, film and music are excluded.

Silence.

At that point most of the Aussies will mumble under their breath, some will shuffle-off to the bar, some will make an extended visit to the toilet, another might say he needs to visit his ute to talk to his Blue Heeler dog named 'Go Away'. And the one Aussie that's game for a battle will remain (badge ?).

Why after 1901? Well, for UK, using examples like the English language; works of Shakespeare and Dickens; vaccination and trial by jury, would hardly be fair, would it? :)


For the UK, here's a few to begin with:

- first TV transmission
- BBC
- discovery of penicillin,
- invention of CAT scanner, ultrasound machine
- radar
- during the second world war - Winston Churchill's leadership, Battle of Britain, cracking of Enigma code etc
- National Health Service
- Open University
- Internet - invented the world wide web
- first commercial jet-powered plane
- Keynesian economics
- Oxford English Dictionary
- Amnesty International

...sorry, I said 10.... :)

And for Oz?

Your turn...
Mike Stanton, it appears your post claiming Australians have invented or contributed nothing to the world in the last 100
years has backfired on you. If you read the responces to your post it appears Australia has invented and contributed more to the world in the last 100 years then Britain has in the last 1,000.
Also Australia was the first country to introduce the secret ballot
in elections and the first to give women the right to vote. Howard
Florey an AUSTRALIAN invented Penicillin which saved the lives of millions of people.

Mel Gibson May 3rd 2004 8:00 am

As Australia was the first country to give women the vote it can also be claimed that Australia was the world's first country to
become a democracy as no country that denies half its population the right to vote can be called a democrcy.

Amazulu May 3rd 2004 9:40 am


Originally posted by Mel Gibson
The wright brothers then ripped off most of his ideas and
went down in history as having invented the aeroplane.
Which means they invented the aeroplane. History is full of ripped off ideas.

MikeStanton May 3rd 2004 10:09 am

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by Mel Gibson
Mike Stanton, it appears your post claiming Australians have invented or contributed nothing to the world in the last 100
years has backfired on you. If you read the responces to your post it appears Australia has invented and contributed more to the world in the last 100 years then Britain has in the last 1,000.
Also Australia was the first country to introduce the secret ballot
in elections and the first to give women the right to vote. Howard
Florey an AUSTRALIAN invented Penicillin which saved the lives of millions of people.
Where did I claim that Aussies have invented or contributed nothing in the last 100 years? I wanted to generate some debate and emphasise the fact that Aussies love to talk about sport - but can talk about precious little else. Yes, it's a generalisation, but sadly, a fair one. I wonder how many Aussies could quote 10 important inventions without the help of the Internet :rolleyes:

Now, in a typically modest British way, I would like to point out that your claim that "...it appears Australia has invented and contributed more to the world in the last 100 years then Britain has in the last 1,000" is just...what's the word?...drivel/laughable.

Finally, Florey did not invent penicillin. Nobody did - it occurs naturally. Fleming discovered penicillin's properties. Fleming, Florey et al turned this discovery into a life-saving medicine.

bondipom May 3rd 2004 10:43 am

According to the media you get the feeling the Hills Hoist is the greatest Aussie invention ever. Its bloody un-australian not to have one.

http://inventors.about.com/library/i...hillshoist.htm

PommieLeague May 3rd 2004 2:14 pm


Originally posted by Sandra
He was an English! Born in England and moved to Aus at 15!

Which starts a whole new/old row about nationality, but lets forget that please :D
You mean he was British?

PommieLeague May 3rd 2004 2:15 pm


Originally posted by Trevglas
The trouble with this game is it can so easily backfire on you. Imagine my glee when England beat Australia at Rugby Union in the warm up friendly before last years world cup. I was finally able to rag the aussies I worked with right up until Australia beat England at soccer a week or so later

DOH!

By the way, for the lists people seem to be compiling, Focus Night and Day, Cibavisions "wear all the time for 30 days" contact lens was invented by CSIRO in Australia
Australia also hammered Great Britain in the Rugby League Ashes Series last November too, but only by a margin!

glm36 May 3rd 2004 5:00 pm

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by MikeStanton
Where did I claim that Aussies have invented or contributed nothing in the last 100 years? I wanted to generate some debate and emphasise the fact that Aussies love to talk about sport - but can talk about precious little else. Yes, it's a generalisation, but sadly, a fair one. I wonder how many Aussies could quote 10 important inventions without the help of the Internet :rolleyes:

Now, in a typically modest British way, I would like to point out that your claim that "...it appears Australia has invented and contributed more to the world in the last 100 years then Britain has in the last 1,000" is just...what's the word?...drivel/laughable.

Finally, Florey did not invent penicillin. Nobody did - it occurs naturally. Fleming discovered penicillin's properties. Fleming, Florey et al turned this discovery into a life-saving medicine.

Hey Mike, your slipping...wheres all your usual stats??

Come on, buck your ideas up. Or are you getting distracted by all those singing birds:p

Don May 3rd 2004 7:28 pm

Re: Is this sporting?
 
- first TV transmission (Scottish, US begs to differ)
- BBC (no film allowed, I think this falls under film)
- discovery of penicillin, (Aus))
- invention of CAT scanner, ultrasound machine (allowed)
- radar (sonar)
- during the second world war - Winston Churchill's leadership, Battle of Britain, cracking of Enigma code etc (Hmmm, BOB allowed)
- National Health Service (this is a good thing?)
- Open University (good idea)
- Internet - invented the world wide web (more Swiss than British)
- first commercial jet-powered plane (commercial?)
- Keynesian economics (discredited)
- Oxford English Dictionary (one-century-wonder)
- Amnesty International (Medecins Sans Frontiers)

bondipom May 3rd 2004 9:43 pm

Don what you missed with the cracking of the enigma code was the worlds first computer. It was kept secret until the files were opened recently. Without the computer the enigma code could never decoded at the immense pace it was.

janajane May 3rd 2004 9:55 pm

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by Mel Gibson
Also Australia was the first country to introduce the secret ballot
in elections and the first to give women the right to vote. Howard
Florey an AUSTRALIAN invented Penicillin which saved the lives of millions of people.

Hi Mel,

Actually it was NZ that was first in 1893. Australia was 1894.

MikeStanton May 3rd 2004 10:34 pm

Re: Is this sporting?
 

Originally posted by pleasancefamily
- first TV transmission (Scottish, US begs to differ)
Is a Scot not born in the UK? I agree that US (AT&T) were probably sooner.


- BBC (no film allowed, I think this falls under film)
Disagree. BBC was first set-up to broadcast radio.


- discovery of penicillin, (Aus))
Aaaargh! I thought all school-kids know this. For the last time, an Aussie did not discover penicillin. Let me quote:

"It was, of course, Alexander Fleming who first discovered penicillin in his laboratory at St Mary's Hospital in Paddington, west London, in 1928. He noticed that when mould was growing in a Petri dish, there seemed to be a ring of clear liquid around it. What he was actually looking at was the ring of dead, transparent cells which lay between the mound of mould on a sea of staphylococci bacteria.

Fleming, a shy man, was intrigued by what he saw but could not find a way of extracting enough of it from a soupy broth to be able to inject it into anyone. The juice was too impure to be of any therapeutic use.

It was an Australian, Howard Florey, who realised its potential a decade later"


- invention of CAT scanner, ultrasound machine (allowed)
- radar (sonar)
- during the second world war - Winston Churchill's leadership, Battle of Britain, cracking of Enigma code etc (Hmmm, BOB allowed)
- National Health Service (this is a good thing?)
Of course not - only for those that couldn't afford any health care :rolleyes:

- Open University (good idea)
- Internet - invented the world wide web (more Swiss than British)
Tim Berners-Lee might have something to say about that. But, if you want to use that dubious point, then totally forget Florey (even though Florey is excluded anyway), because he was working at Oxford University at the time.

- first commercial jet-powered plane (commercial?)
- Keynesian economics (discredited)
Without the application of Keynesian economics after the war, the recovery would have taken many years longer. Whether it is discredited now is irrelevant.

- Oxford English Dictionary (one-century-wonder)
Not an avid user?


- Amnesty International (Medecins Sans Frontiers)
What's the relevence of citing MSF? They are totally different organisations. The UN might be more relevant.

MeganEkno May 4th 2004 11:25 am


Originally posted by seang
invention of black box flight recorder
invention of bionic ear
invention of multi focal contact lens
first car radio
world first feature film
teleprinter
first round the world airline sevice
inflatable airline escape slide
first blind reading machine
of course the ute :)

Starting blocks for running races!

MeganEkno May 4th 2004 11:25 am


Originally posted by seang
invention of black box flight recorder
invention of bionic ear
invention of multi focal contact lens
first car radio
world first feature film
teleprinter
first round the world airline sevice
inflatable airline escape slide
first blind reading machine
of course the ute :)

Starting blocks for running races!


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