steve`o

the skill debate goes on

are skilled people required in oz??
or is just an employers scam for cheap labour

please watch the following nine msn report


http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au...minutes&t=m163

click on working class video it gives both sides of the story
employers and unions


comments please

Luma

Yes skilled people are required
and
Yes where employers can get cheaper labour they will - that happens everywhere in the world - the UK is no exception!

steandleigh

Far North Queensland is crying out for skilled people - particularly all trades and they are paid an excellent rate, due to the sheer shortage.

bru

Yes, but on the other hand employers are telling me that they have enough skilled applicants for the advertised job suitable than me.
BTW, at the end of each rejection email, they do wish me good luck to find a job..
One thing I have experienced is, they do need more skills, creative ideas to improve the service level of DIMIA itself.

Amazulu

Same in WA.

steve`o

before some one points it out i know this is going off topic but its relevant

Far North Queensland is crying out for skilled people[I]

so why do the bloody authorities make it so damn hard to get licences
i`m referring to electrical licences here ( I`m a sparky )

you would think that having had the TRA assess your skills for migration
then you would be eligible for a licence but no you have o go back to the TRA fill in the same bloody form all be it with a different front cover
( i kid you not ) send all the same information in order to apply for your ARTC

so if the skill shortage is so severe why have skilled workers hanging around for 3-6 months whilst they get the correct paperwork ??

having spent 20+ years in the industry and having employed electricians for
my own company i can tell within a couple of hours whether some one is skilled or just good at the relevant paperwork , wouldn't on site skill assessments be a more practical way to deal with this issue ??

Wendy

I can understand the need for them to make sure you know their regulations, but I think that a refresher course would be sufficient. When you pass the TRA they should issue you with an application form for the ARTC and tell you to enrol at TAFE for a weeks mini course or something. Then when you've done that the tutor could sign you off and you should then be able to apply for your licence.

Or something like that


I think it's more to do with the unions and the fact that while there is a shortage, they can charge what they like and they are worried that we will go over and do the same job for less.

It's also got a lot to do with the fact that you have to pay more money to the TRA for the privilege of having your skills assessed yet again!!

Bix

Something we have agreed on before Wendy

A workforce in demand is a strong union hand and the need for various paperwork funds many organisations not just the TRA.

This is only something the government can resolve. The transfer from approved skilled immigrant to approved skilled worker takes far too long.
Not in every but in many, many cases needlessly so.

steandleigh

Hi Steve,

I absolutely agree with your comments about the form filling etc etc and it IS a pain in the arse but necessary, I'm afraid. My Ste is an Air con and Fridge mechanic, 10 years experience, fully qualified up, exemplary references and experince and yet he had to do the hoop jumping, form filling etc etc to be recongnised within his trade once we arrived.

On the positive side, it took him 3 hours to get a job with the company he's been with almost 2 years now, excellent pay and all the perks, so worth it in the end.

The paper trail is just a money spinner IMO, es[pecially when, as you have said, we have already done all that once over and payed the fees to the TRA.....

BartSimpson

To ans your question in one word..
NO
-Bart

paka

Good to see video, but they could be playing it about u.k too.You are a sparky,so you will now.Most labour is now European in the u.k. The chef on the video was in blackpool .This is just 10mins from us.we are blackpool born & bread People,and blackpool has gone.Its completely European now.every hotel,to bar,to building site.I think its world wide,So survival of the fittest.

dolly123

Well, I must say that was a long clip. Yes, surely employers exploit cheap labour. The labour is getting more than what they could earn in their own country and they sacrifice personal joy for that.
What really matters is level of exploitation. As long as Employers are fair, all's good.
About ozzies unemployment, if they wanted to work they still can find it and otherwise they too can migrate to some suitable place.

katsmajic

Hi, does anyone know if toolmakers/metal machinists have to do another TRA once they get to OZ? or anything similar?
TIA kat xxx

Vash the Stampede

With respect, it's because we don't want a bunch of foreign cowboys larking about the place. (And I'm sure you wouldn't either!)

Anyway, I don't see the UK cutting corners to allow foreign tradesmen the right to work in your country, so why should Australia be any different?

And a doctor who's been in the healthcare business for 20 years knows a case of heart disease when he sees one, but he still can't set up a practice unless he's got the bit of paper which proves that he's qualified.

Ozzidoc

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