Skilled Immigration Policy
Aug 26th 2003, 10:26 am
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Skilled Immigration Policy
Is Australia really doing itself any good with its "Skilled" immigration policy ?
We have a friend who is 30 years old (prime employment age), has a Masters degree in Mining Engineering ( good education and prime Australian employment sector).
You would think he would be snapped up by the Australian authorities. But no, he doesn't have enough points to pass the points test independently and will have to apply for immigration through a sponsored category.
Meanwhile back in Australia bricklayers, plasterers and hairdressers are being welcomed with open arms and even accorded MODL status.
I understand that it's a supply and demand thing and that these trades meet immediate shortages. But in the long term it makes for a less eduacted population which is not going to be able to continue competing in the increasingly well educated international arena.
We have a friend who is 30 years old (prime employment age), has a Masters degree in Mining Engineering ( good education and prime Australian employment sector).
You would think he would be snapped up by the Australian authorities. But no, he doesn't have enough points to pass the points test independently and will have to apply for immigration through a sponsored category.
Meanwhile back in Australia bricklayers, plasterers and hairdressers are being welcomed with open arms and even accorded MODL status.
I understand that it's a supply and demand thing and that these trades meet immediate shortages. But in the long term it makes for a less eduacted population which is not going to be able to continue competing in the increasingly well educated international arena.
Aug 26th 2003, 10:29 am
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oer you are on dogy ground here sunlover! are you insinuating that hairdressers etc are not cleverer than us academics! 
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Aug 26th 2003, 10:35 am
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I think the idea is to keep the balance right!!!!!
Anyway sunlover should you not be in in your "Nativly" run Suid Afrika or do you prefer critisising MM from a safe distance, In the UK or Aus.
Anyway sunlover should you not be in in your "Nativly" run Suid Afrika or do you prefer critisising MM from a safe distance, In the UK or Aus.
Aug 26th 2003, 10:37 am
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Re: Skilled Immigration Policy
I, myself am only a lowley vehicle painter, however i do have as many qualifacations as possible for my trade but my agent thought it would be a good idea to get myself sponsered by the state of Victoria to speed up the whole process, which it has done.
Aug 26th 2003, 10:37 am
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Originally posted by ellen fedulow
oer you are on dogy ground here sunlover! are you insinuating that hairdressers etc are not cleverer than us academics!
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oer you are on dogy ground here sunlover! are you insinuating that hairdressers etc are not cleverer than us academics!
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Not as clever ? No, some of the most intelligent people have never been to University.
I believe I said less educated.
Aug 26th 2003, 10:41 am
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I believe I said less educated. [/QUOTE]
When you say less educated, what do you mean exactly?
If i spend three years in education learning to paint vehicles and someone else spends three years learning to be a nurse, does that make them more educated?
When you say less educated, what do you mean exactly?
If i spend three years in education learning to paint vehicles and someone else spends three years learning to be a nurse, does that make them more educated?
Aug 26th 2003, 10:43 am
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Originally posted by mikel
I think the idea is to keep the balance right!!!!!
Anyway sunlover should you not be in in your "Nativly" run Suid Afrika or do you prefer critisising MM from a safe distance, In the UK or Aus.
I think the idea is to keep the balance right!!!!!
Anyway sunlover should you not be in in your "Nativly" run Suid Afrika or do you prefer critisising MM from a safe distance, In the UK or Aus.
That's my point - there is no balance.
I have a British passport and a Canadian one and will eventually have an Australian one too, so I believe I can live anywhere I choose (including SOUTH AFRICA - we're NOT all Afrikaaners you know. South Africa was a British colony).
Considering that I live in the same city as MM I'd also say that there was no safe distance between us (not a well thought out post Mikel). :lecture:
Aug 26th 2003, 10:51 am
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Re: Skilled Immigration Policy
Originally posted by Sunlover
Is Australia really doing itself any good with its "Skilled" immigration policy ?
We have a friend who is 30 years old (prime employment age), has a Masters degree in Mining Engineering ( good education and prime Australian employment sector).
You would think he would be snapped up by the Australian authorities. But no, he doesn't have enough points to pass the points test independently and will have to apply for immigration through a sponsored category.
Meanwhile back in Australia bricklayers, plasterers and hairdressers are being welcomed with open arms and even accorded MODL status.
I understand that it's a supply and demand thing and that these trades meet immediate shortages. But in the long term it makes for a less eduacted population which is not going to be able to continue competing in the increasingly well educated international arena.
Is Australia really doing itself any good with its "Skilled" immigration policy ?
We have a friend who is 30 years old (prime employment age), has a Masters degree in Mining Engineering ( good education and prime Australian employment sector).
You would think he would be snapped up by the Australian authorities. But no, he doesn't have enough points to pass the points test independently and will have to apply for immigration through a sponsored category.
Meanwhile back in Australia bricklayers, plasterers and hairdressers are being welcomed with open arms and even accorded MODL status.
I understand that it's a supply and demand thing and that these trades meet immediate shortages. But in the long term it makes for a less eduacted population which is not going to be able to continue competing in the increasingly well educated international arena.
Aug 26th 2003, 10:52 am
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Re: Skilled Immigration Policy
Hi
if you let in only academics, then who is going to be around to build houses, fix your plumming, do your hair, etc?
The problem is that in all countries too many school leavers are encouraged to go to university and we are left with a lack of basic services. This is the long term problem. There are enough academics in Australia (too many, in fact). If there weren't, they would be letting more in!
If your mate was able to migrate unsponsored, he might find it very difficult to find a job due to the high unemployment rate in this sector in Australia. This is why he doesn't pass the points test.
I hope this clears things up for you
Mel (a tradesman's wife)
PS my husband trained for 4 years to be able to do his job well. That is the same length of time as a Masters degree. Less educated? I think you will find he was differently educated, to allow him to use his skills to ensure he is always employable.
if you let in only academics, then who is going to be around to build houses, fix your plumming, do your hair, etc?
The problem is that in all countries too many school leavers are encouraged to go to university and we are left with a lack of basic services. This is the long term problem. There are enough academics in Australia (too many, in fact). If there weren't, they would be letting more in!
If your mate was able to migrate unsponsored, he might find it very difficult to find a job due to the high unemployment rate in this sector in Australia. This is why he doesn't pass the points test.
I hope this clears things up for you
Mel (a tradesman's wife)
PS my husband trained for 4 years to be able to do his job well. That is the same length of time as a Masters degree. Less educated? I think you will find he was differently educated, to allow him to use his skills to ensure he is always employable.
Aug 26th 2003, 10:57 am
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Re: Skilled Immigration Policy
Originally posted by mika24me if you let in only academics, then who is going to be around to build houses, fix your plumming, do your hair, etc?
Can understand the building aspect, Perth is just one big building site, north, south and east!
Aug 26th 2003, 10:58 am
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Originally posted by Sunlover
But in the long term it makes for a less eduacted population which is not going to be able to continue competing in the increasingly well educated international arena.
But in the long term it makes for a less eduacted population which is not going to be able to continue competing in the increasingly well educated international arena.
From whom : New professionals holding a "Master's Degree in Bricklaying" :scared: or "Bachelor's Degree in Plastering"
Well said MEL, a tradesman is able to use his skills to ensure he's always employable.
Aug 26th 2003, 12:37 pm
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I see so you have multiple nationality, would that include South African? because that would be illegaly in SA you know, so unless you have reciently left there you clearly can not live there.
The safe distance I am refering to is not MM but SA, so many people sit saying how great South Africa is now it is Free, yet no longer live there. I suppost Zimbabwe is also better off now it is free? and Zire and Zambia and Malawi and Liberia and Siera Leon and Ethiopia and and.
Out of interest why did you leave SA.
The safe distance I am refering to is not MM but SA, so many people sit saying how great South Africa is now it is Free, yet no longer live there. I suppost Zimbabwe is also better off now it is free? and Zire and Zambia and Malawi and Liberia and Siera Leon and Ethiopia and and.
Out of interest why did you leave SA.
Aug 26th 2003, 12:45 pm
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Originally posted by mikel
I see so you have multiple nationality, would that include South African? because that would be illegaly in SA you know, so unless you have reciently left there you clearly can not live there.
I see so you have multiple nationality, would that include South African? because that would be illegaly in SA you know, so unless you have reciently left there you clearly can not live there.
Aug 26th 2003, 12:51 pm
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Put quite simply.....
How many jobs are there for acedmics, or more specifically, mining engineers. Geo engineering is'nt a primary employment sector. Miners/riggers etc, maybe; geos definatly not. For every 100 miners employed by a resourcing company there will be 1 geo. Its a very competitive area. Also, as mega says, it is very dependant upon mineral prices. There are two types of mineral deposit. A reserve, where the current economic conditions dictate that it is not viable to exploit the deposit, and a resource, where the price is right and you can lay the ground to waste. Lower prices = fewer geos.
How many jobs are there for plumbers/carpenters/brickies? Loads. This IS a primary employment sector. There are always homes being built. There are always renovations/repairs/extensions etc.
As for Aus becoming less educated.......why? We are still talking about a reletivly small % of the population being made up of immigrants, so the net effect upon the amount ot "educated" people would be small would it not?
How many jobs are there for acedmics, or more specifically, mining engineers. Geo engineering is'nt a primary employment sector. Miners/riggers etc, maybe; geos definatly not. For every 100 miners employed by a resourcing company there will be 1 geo. Its a very competitive area. Also, as mega says, it is very dependant upon mineral prices. There are two types of mineral deposit. A reserve, where the current economic conditions dictate that it is not viable to exploit the deposit, and a resource, where the price is right and you can lay the ground to waste. Lower prices = fewer geos.
How many jobs are there for plumbers/carpenters/brickies? Loads. This IS a primary employment sector. There are always homes being built. There are always renovations/repairs/extensions etc.
As for Aus becoming less educated.......why? We are still talking about a reletivly small % of the population being made up of immigrants, so the net effect upon the amount ot "educated" people would be small would it not?
Aug 26th 2003, 12:55 pm
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Re: Skilled Immigration Policy
Sunlover
I think you have a point bout long term balance.
But can you imagine any organisation, let alone a Govt department reporting to politicians, having the far sighted strategic thinking you talk of.
There is a current shortage of tradespeople, previously it was IT, who knows what it will be in the future. Might be mining, might not!
Immigration departments (and probably education
departments too) find it easier to focus on the current facts, rather than uncertain future needs. But they are not alone, it is the way business is run these days.
I think you have a point bout long term balance.
But can you imagine any organisation, let alone a Govt department reporting to politicians, having the far sighted strategic thinking you talk of.
There is a current shortage of tradespeople, previously it was IT, who knows what it will be in the future. Might be mining, might not!
Immigration departments (and probably education
departments too) find it easier to focus on the current facts, rather than uncertain future needs. But they are not alone, it is the way business is run these days.