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Seabird Jun 8th 2005 3:43 pm

RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 
Well, seems they MAY want me even with my zimmer frame!! :D

I have just heard that RSMS have certified my nomination and forwarded the paperwork to DIMIA for their approval (or otherwise??)!! :)

Not quite ready to hit the wine yet, want to hear it from DIMIA. Does anyone know how long it is before they contact you about your nomination once the RSM people are happy... Jeremy, oh man of wisdom on these things, are you there?...... or anybody with a crystal ball.... Reckon you'd make a packet on this forum if you could predict the future!!

Given how excited I got when the e-mail arrived, I reckon I'll need sedating if I eventually get the visa, the kids thought I'd already hit the bottle! :beer:

JAJ Jun 9th 2005 1:04 am

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by Seabird
Well, seems they MAY want me even with my zimmer frame!! :D

I have just heard that RSMS have certified my nomination and forwarded the paperwork to DIMIA for their approval (or otherwise??)!! :)

Not quite ready to hit the wine yet, want to hear it from DIMIA. Does anyone know how long it is before they contact you about your nomination once the RSM people are happy... Jeremy, oh man of wisdom on these things, are you there?...... or anybody with a crystal ball.... Reckon you'd make a packet on this forum if you could predict the future!!

Given how excited I got when the e-mail arrived, I reckon I'll need sedating if I eventually get the visa, the kids thought I'd already hit the bottle! :beer:

You should ask immigration questions on the immigration forum.

There are three stages to RSMS approval:

- approval of the job offer by the Regional Certifying Body
- approval of the job offer by DIMIA
- the visa application itself.

Applying for the visa itself is your responsibility once the DIMIA emloyer approval process is complete.

If you've not done so already, download and read booklet 5.

You may want to start getting your police checks done now. Also organise all the documentation you'll need, eg long form birth certs, get everyone's passport up to date etc

No-one can be specific about exact processing times except to say RSMS is fairly high priority in the usual scheme of things.

Jeremy

Bix Jun 10th 2005 1:43 pm

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 
This is from the DIMIA website........

Visa Grant Times
The following information shows visa grant times for employer-sponsored visa applications.

Times shown are the number of weeks taken to process 75% of cases for the six month period to the end of October 2003 (this information will be updated periodically).

Processing times are not given where there were less than 10 cases granted in the six month period.

Please note there are many factors which can influence the actual times taken to process individual cases, and the following information should be viewed as a guide only.

Offshore applications
Visa Subclass
Processing Time in Weeks

119 Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme
14

120 Labour Agreement
10

121 Employer Nomination
16


Onshore applications
Visa Subclass
Processing Time in Weeks

855 Labour Agreement
9

856 Employer Nomination Scheme
19

857 Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme
20


I've just done an Onshore 857 which took 33 days start to finish.

jimtrish Jun 10th 2005 7:47 pm

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 
hi there, i got my email from my employer telling me our nomination was approved so am in the same boat as yourselves, waiting to hear when to send application etc.
got meds booked, got all documentation ready and police checks, just need the letter in the post as you have to include this with your visa application.
goodluck to us all :)
Trish

Seabird Jun 11th 2005 4:13 pm

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Originally Posted by jimtrish
hi there, i got my email from my employer telling me our nomination was approved so am in the same boat as yourselves, waiting to hear when to send application etc.
got meds booked, got all documentation ready and police checks, just need the letter in the post as you have to include this with your visa application.
goodluck to us all :)
Trish

Hi Trish

Have you also gone through RSMS or Employer Nomination? I gather that there's an extra initial step with RSMS at the regional level. Once the approval is given regionally (we've just got that bit) the application then goes to DIMIA to get their approval. How long did you wait to hear about the Employer Nomination?

I also gather from the DIMIA website that you can submit your visa at the same time as the employer submits theirs, so I'd check with DIMIA, if this is true you may not have to wait for the paperwork.

Alot of people on here wait for their medicals until requested from DIMIA. This is done on the basis that they are expensive and therefore DIMIA won't ask for them until they are happy with the rest of the application. This serves two things, firstly it gives you an early indication that they are happy, and secondly it can save you alot of money if they're not!! Really depends on how happy you are that your application will be successful and how much of a hurry you are in.

If my nomination is approved at DIMIA, I am going to submit my visa and await their request for meds, but then I'm doing this on my own and don't know whether I'm going to get relocation costs, so money is tight.

Just done the ringing round thing, and found it's cheaper to go to Birmingham from Essex and get the X-rays and meds done there than to go anywhere nearer!! The surgery also assure me my 13-year old won't have to have her boobs examined, unlike some poor souls have on this forum.

Where are you moving from and to? Good luck with everything, keep me posted.

Claire.

jimtrish Jun 11th 2005 6:39 pm

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by Seabird
Hi Trish

Have you also gone through RSMS or Employer Nomination? I gather that there's an extra initial step with RSMS at the regional level. Once the approval is given regionally (we've just got that bit) the application then goes to DIMIA to get their approval. How long did you wait to hear about the Employer Nomination?

I also gather from the DIMIA website that you can submit your visa at the same time as the employer submits theirs, so I'd check with DIMIA, if this is true you may not have to wait for the paperwork.

Alot of people on here wait for their medicals until requested from DIMIA. This is done on the basis that they are expensive and therefore DIMIA won't ask for them until they are happy with the rest of the application. This serves two things, firstly it gives you an early indication that they are happy, and secondly it can save you alot of money if they're not!! Really depends on how happy you are that your application will be successful and how much of a hurry you are in.

If my nomination is approved at DIMIA, I am going to submit my visa and await their request for meds, but then I'm doing this on my own and don't know whether I'm going to get relocation costs, so money is tight.

Just done the ringing round thing, and found it's cheaper to go to Birmingham from Essex and get the X-rays and meds done there than to go anywhere nearer!! The surgery also assure me my 13-year old won't have to have her boobs examined, unlike some poor souls have on this forum.

Where are you moving from and to? Good luck with everything, keep me posted.

Claire.

hi claire,

on the visa checklist you have to include in the documentation the nomination letter, as i havent received this yet i have to wait to get it.
our application was received back from the regional certifying body within one week and then sent to the local dimia, this also only took one week to get back to them and be approved, once i get the nomination letter i can crack on and send the visa application off.
we are going rsms route, ive got a job at townsville hospital so its made things easier, we arent using an agent either so we are in the same boat.
really dont know whether its better to hear from dimia before submitting application etc or not, druid has been great, he said we should hear any day soon from london and then they direct you as to what to do next. weird isnt it, kind of got to find your own way.
once all the paperwork is in place i shall submit the visa app, our meds are at maidenhead, for 2 adults and 3 kids (9,8 and 4) inclusive of xrays and all bloods for me and jim its £480 thought that was quite good.
jade would absolutely die if the doc decided to do a boob check on her, we were worried the kids would have to do the urine tests, but have been assured by the surgery that they wont....thankgod, it would have been messy!
anyway keep me posted,

take care

Trish :)

stunsearadron Jun 11th 2005 10:25 pm

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by jimtrish
hi claire,

on the visa checklist you have to include in the documentation the nomination letter, as i havent received this yet i have to wait to get it.
our application was received back from the regional certifying body within one week and then sent to the local dimia, this also only took one week to get back to them and be approved, once i get the nomination letter i can crack on and send the visa application off.
we are going rsms route, ive got a job at townsville hospital so its made things easier, we arent using an agent either so we are in the same boat.
really dont know whether its better to hear from dimia before submitting application etc or not, druid has been great, he said we should hear any day soon from london and then they direct you as to what to do next. weird isnt it, kind of got to find your own way.
once all the paperwork is in place i shall submit the visa app, our meds are at maidenhead, for 2 adults and 3 kids (9,8 and 4) inclusive of xrays and all bloods for me and jim its £480 thought that was quite good.
jade would absolutely die if the doc decided to do a boob check on her, we were worried the kids would have to do the urine tests, but have been assured by the surgery that they wont....thankgod, it would have been messy!
anyway keep me posted,

take care

Trish :)

Hi Trish

Andy and Jayne, who post on here, just had their meds carried out at Maidenhead. They were really pleased. Found them about £45 dearer for myself and daughter than Bham, but apparently from what I've read on the forum you're spared the boob check at Maidenhead as well. I'll probably have to have one as lost my Mum to breast cancer. Sounds a relief that you haven't got to chase the kids around with see-through plastic bottles!

Just checked in the ominous Booklet 5 http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1131.pdf (page 3), where it states that the employer nomination should be submitted "at the same time or before" the employee application, suggesting that we can submit our applications at any time after the employer has... Doesn't tie in with the checklist does it?? What it did specify was that our visa apps have to go to the same regional office as the RSMS nomination.

Will let you know when I hear from DIMIA, the paperwork left the Regional Body on Wednesday.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend

Claire. :)

jimtrish Jun 12th 2005 12:04 am

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by stunsearadron
Hi Trish

Andy and Jayne, who post on here, just had their meds carried out at Maidenhead. They were really pleased. Found them about £45 dearer for myself and daughter than Bham, but apparently from what I've read on the forum you're spared the boob check at Maidenhead as well. I'll probably have to have one as lost my Mum to breast cancer. Sounds a relief that you haven't got to chase the kids around with see-through plastic bottles!

Just checked in the ominous Booklet 5 http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1131.pdf (page 3), where it states that the employer nomination should be submitted "at the same time or before" the employee application, suggesting that we can submit our applications at any time after the employer has... Doesn't tie in with the checklist does it?? What it did specify was that our visa apps have to go to the same regional office as the RSMS nomination.

Will let you know when I hear from DIMIA, the paperwork left the Regional Body on Wednesday.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend

Claire. :)

hi claire,

we are down in swindon so maidenhead seemed better for us than b'ham, certainly makes sense to try and tie it all in for the same place etc.
god its so confusing, its knowing what to do for the best isnt it, think i shall hang on until the letter comes through,got ours back with employer very quicky from the regional cet body, and the employer then forwarded it on to the local dimia, presumably brisbane (going by the booklet) i presume we send the xrays there too, which address is it, is the business address or postal address? think i should hear really soon, as stages 1 and 2 for us are complete,
keep me up to date, we can experience this together!! :)
on nights so my weekend pretty much sorted :rolleyes:
take care

Trish

jimtrish Jun 14th 2005 6:46 pm

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 
feel like a complete plonker, looked at my email from the hospital in oz again and low and behold there was an attachment on it, looked at it and its the nomination letter I need :rolleyes: on the letter its states the employer should tell me to print off the letter to put in my visa application, they forgot :rolleyes:
ohwell, got it now, so hope to get that sent in the next week :)

Seabird Jun 14th 2005 8:21 pm

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Originally Posted by jimtrish
feel like a complete plonker, looked at my email from the hospital in oz again and low and behold there was an attachment on it, looked at it and its the nomination letter I need :rolleyes: on the letter its states the employer should tell me to print off the letter to put in my visa application, they forgot :rolleyes:
ohwell, got it now, so hope to get that sent in the next week :)

Sounds good, not surprised you missed it though, think the amount of paperwork involved could sink a rainforest :scared:

All the best

Claire.

jimtrish Jun 15th 2005 9:44 am

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by Seabird
Sounds good, not surprised you missed it though, think the amount of paperwork involved could sink a rainforest :scared:

All the best

Claire.

rediculous isnt it, we were just looking at the all the forms we have to fill in and take with us for our medical, masses of it, it will take me a few days to fill it all in, let alone the actual visa application.
still, it will be worth it wont it. :)
any news on your nomination yet?
Trish

Seabird Jun 15th 2005 1:21 pm

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by jimtrish
rediculous isnt it, we were just looking at the all the forms we have to fill in and take with us for our medical, masses of it, it will take me a few days to fill it all in, let alone the actual visa application.
still, it will be worth it wont it. :)
any news on your nomination yet?
Trish

Hi Trish

Still waiting. Just discovered that the absent father (never married him, real rotter and no contact for years) could mean going and getting a Court order. Not that it's actually needed, he doen't have parental responsibiity by law, but just because apparently most DIMIA officers don't understand their own policy! One person paid £10,000 for a court order!! Just written to the High Commission for clarification.

Will keep posting and smiling. Good luck with the meds... Where are you going for them?

Claire.

jimtrish Jun 15th 2005 6:42 pm

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by Seabird
Hi Trish

Still waiting. Just discovered that the absent father (never married him, real rotter and no contact for years) could mean going and getting a Court order. Not that it's actually needed, he doen't have parental responsibiity by law, but just because apparently most DIMIA officers don't understand their own policy! One person paid £10,000 for a court order!! Just written to the High Commission for clarification.

Will keep posting and smiling. Good luck with the meds... Where are you going for them?

Claire.

hi claire,

its never easy going is it for anyone, still hopefully they won't need the father in it and you will be ok.
were off to maidenhead, probably being silly, but feel really nervous about it :rolleyes:
though im sure everyone else gets the same feeling.
where are you going for yours? or have you done them?
keep smiling mate, if its not one thing its another, just think, this time next year you will be looking back on this experience with your glass of wine in one hand and sun beaming down....and it will have been worth it.
take care

Trish
xx

Seabird Jun 16th 2005 6:58 am

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by jimtrish
hi claire,

its never easy going is it for anyone, still hopefully they won't need the father in it and you will be ok.
were off to maidenhead, probably being silly, but feel really nervous about it :rolleyes:
though im sure everyone else gets the same feeling.
where are you going for yours? or have you done them?
keep smiling mate, if its not one thing its another, just think, this time next year you will be looking back on this experience with your glass of wine in one hand and sun beaming down....and it will have been worth it.
take care

Trish
xx

Thanks Trish

Aiming to eithe go to Birmingham or St. Albans fro meds. Considerable cheaper at Birmingham, even with the 3 hourdriveit will still be around £100 cheaper for the two of us thatn the local Docat Southend. Plus both St. Albans and Birmingham assure me they won;t want to do a boob check on the 13-year-old. Already worried about it. Starting to think that it would cost £500 for a visa, around £300 for meds, so maybe I should get meds done first incase we don't pass! Silly really, I guess everybody on here worries about them. Andy and Jayne (sho post on here) went to Maidenhad and thought they were wonderful.

Good luck

Keep me posted.

Claire
X

jimtrish Jun 16th 2005 9:36 am

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Originally Posted by Seabird
Thanks Trish

Aiming to eithe go to Birmingham or St. Albans fro meds. Considerable cheaper at Birmingham, even with the 3 hourdriveit will still be around £100 cheaper for the two of us thatn the local Docat Southend. Plus both St. Albans and Birmingham assure me they won;t want to do a boob check on the 13-year-old. Already worried about it. Starting to think that it would cost £500 for a visa, around £300 for meds, so maybe I should get meds done first incase we don't pass! Silly really, I guess everybody on here worries about them. Andy and Jayne (sho post on here) went to Maidenhad and thought they were wonderful.

Good luck

Keep me posted.

Claire
X

Hi claire,

yes, its alot of money isnt it, for the rsms its £535 and for our meds as they have to be sent to brissie, its £517 (they charge £6.50 pp to send) so better work some more hours i think!
legoman went to maidenhead and highly recommends them there, i must admit they do seem really nice when you ring up.
you will pass, think positive!! :)
got an email today from QNC saying they hadnt received verification from NMC, even though i paid for the fast track service at the begining of may! so been on to them today and they are doing another right away :rolleyes:
also told me they need a copy of my marriage cert to verify my change of name! god, things are never straight forward are they! somehow in between all my nights ive got to get my marriage cert photocopied (do that at work tonight) and then go to the solicitors and get it stamped and signed! nightmare.
goodluck with everything, stay in touch,

Trish

Seabird Jun 16th 2005 9:40 am

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Originally Posted by jimtrish
Hi claire,

yes, its alot of money isnt it, for the rsms its £535 and for our meds as they have to be sent to brissie, its £517 (they charge £6.50 pp to send) so better work some more hours i think!
legoman went to maidenhead and highly recommends them there, i must admit they do seem really nice when you ring up.
you will pass, think positive!! :)
got an email today from QNC saying they hadnt received verification from NMC, even though i paid for the fast track service at the begining of may! so been on to them today and they are doing another right away :rolleyes:
also told me they need a copy of my marriage cert to verify my change of name! god, things are never straight forward are they! somehow in between all my nights ive got to get my marriage cert photocopied (do that at work tonight) and then go to the solicitors and get it stamped and signed! nightmare.
goodluck with everything, stay in touch,

Trish

Why not send the original marriage certificate? Do DIMIA asked for stamped copies instead then??

Claire.

jimtrish Jun 16th 2005 9:53 am

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Originally Posted by Seabird
Why not send the original marriage certificate? Do DIMIA asked for stamped copies instead then??

Claire.

all got to be certified copies, sent you a pm :)

JAJ Jun 17th 2005 1:08 am

Re: RSMS nomination certified!!.. what next??
 

Originally Posted by Seabird
Hi Trish

Still waiting. Just discovered that the absent father (never married him, real rotter and no contact for years) could mean going and getting a Court order. Not that it's actually needed, he doen't have parental responsibiity by law, but just because apparently most DIMIA officers don't understand their own policy! One person paid £10,000 for a court order!! Just written to the High Commission for clarification.

Don't rely on getting a response from the High Commission, and don't rely on any response you get being correct.

I would say it's *some* rather than *most* DIMIA officers who don't apply their own policies. This is based on anecdotal evidence.

Remember that the law and policy relating to child custody is complex, as are the facts of each specific case.

You really do need to use a *good* agent to draw all of this together and present clear evidence to the case officer that a court order should not be required.


Jeremy

Seabird Jun 17th 2005 7:32 am

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Originally Posted by JAJ
Don't rely on getting a response from the High Commission, and don't rely on any response you get being correct.

I would say it's *some* rather than *most* DIMIA officers who don't apply their own policies. This is based on anecdotal evidence.

Remember that the law and policy relating to child custody is complex, as are the facts of each specific case.

You really do need to use a *good* agent to draw all of this together and present clear evidence to the case officer that a court order should not be required.


Jeremy

Thanks again, Jeremy

I note that DIMIA request evidence that I have sole responsibility for the child. It states this MAY INCLUDE a court order. So I'll trying going down this avenue. However, just found out that at the minute I can get legal aid, so may be simplest hust to go to Court. For others on here I will keep posting how it transpires.

I have yesterday written to the Combined Courts (Magistrates and County) in the county where I last knew he lived, who have offered to rake through their records to ensure that

1 He has never applied for a parental responsibility order
2 that I have never given him parental responsibility through an affidavit or other court-based means and
3 that there is no residence order in place for Sophie.

I also have solid support from the Child Support Agency who are drafting a letter detailing the efforts it has taken them to get money from him (because I was on tax credits) and how he has never in 5 years replied to a single letter they have sent. Anymoney they did take had to be done through detachement from earnings. I will be speaking to a solicitor on the 27th and making a Stat. Declaration that I have sole responsibility as a result of Section 3 of the 1969 Children Act that states that he has no responsibility unless he carries out steps 1 or 2 above, or that step 3 appies. Also be detailing this Act that has not been superceded by changes in December 2003 that now means fathers born to Children after that date have responsibility whether or not they marry the Mum.

Also can get letters from the Police stating that he is allowed no contact with his daughter ever because he really isn't a very nice person. Wondered whether this may give DIMIA the jitters though, and thought I'd hang on to this if I have to get a Court order. Would much rather not drag those sort of issues into the migration process as we're leaving all that behind.

Hopefully the High Commission will come back with something. JAJ, can I copy this message to the Immigration section as I feel it may be useful for others?

Off to work

Claire.

JAJ Jun 17th 2005 8:55 am

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Originally Posted by Seabird
Hopefully the High Commission will come back with something. JAJ, can I copy this message to the Immigration section as I feel it may be useful for others?

Off to work

Claire.

Incidentally the High Commission don't do RSMS any more, as far as I know - unless you applied before 2 April you will need to apply to DIMIA in Australia.

It might be worth getting a solicitor dealing in family law in the UK to write a letter (to DIMIA) outlining the legal position and how your situation fits into it.

Jeremy

Seabird Jun 17th 2005 9:41 am

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Originally Posted by JAJ
Incidentally the High Commission don't do RSMS any more, as far as I know - unless you applied before 2 April you will need to apply to DIMIA in Australia.

It might be worth getting a solicitor dealing in family law in the UK to write a letter (to DIMIA) outlining the legal position and how your situation fits into it.

Jeremy

Thanks, Jeremy

My thoughts exactly. Hence the appopintment at the Solicitors on the 27th.

You're right, the application has to go to the same centre that dealt with the nomination. However Adelaide Skilled Migration have sent me to the High Commission to answer the question of whether the decision to grant the visa to a dependent is based on English or Australian law, saying that this e-mail shouldn't have been sent to them. Go Matilda insisted that DIMIA make the decision based on Australian law which is contradictory to the statement given on the DIMIA website.

I'm a highly determined person and will get to the bottom of this!!

Thanks

Claire.

JAJ Jun 18th 2005 9:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Seabird
Thanks, Jeremy

My thoughts exactly. Hence the appopintment at the Solicitors on the 27th.

You're right, the application has to go to the same centre that dealt with the nomination. However Adelaide Skilled Migration have sent me to the High Commission to answer the question of whether the decision to grant the visa to a dependent is based on English or Australian law, saying that this e-mail shouldn't have been sent to them. Go Matilda insisted that DIMIA make the decision based on Australian law which is contradictory to the statement given on the DIMIA website.

I can't comment on what you were told without knowing the full details, but you can read the child custody requirements in Public Interest Criteria 4015-4018, contained in Schedule 4 to the Migration Regulations:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/c...4227/sch4.html

For ease of reading, 4015 and 4017 say substantially the same thing, as do 4016 and 4018.

Note the use of the term 'home country'. There is more detail in DIMIA's policy documents, which are not available online.

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4015 The Minister is satisfied of 1 of the following:

(a) the law of the additional applicant’s home country permits the removal of the additional applicant;

(b) each person who can lawfully determine where the additional applicant is to live consents to the grant of the visa;

(c) the grant of the visa would be consistent with any Australian child order in force in relation to the additional applicant.

4016 The Minister is satisfied that there is no compelling reason to believe that the grant of the visa would not be in the best interests of the additional applicant.

4017 The Minister is satisfied of 1 of the following:

(a) the law of the applicant’s home country permits the removal of the applicant;

(b) each person who can lawfully determine where the applicant is to live consents to the grant of the visa;

(c) the grant of the visa would be consistent with any Australian child order in force in relation to the applicant.

4018 The Minister is satisfied that there is no compelling reason to believe that the grant of the visa would not be in the best interests of the applicant.

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Jeremy

Seabird Jun 18th 2005 9:55 pm

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Thank you Jeremy (yet again).

That really helps as there is actually a quote I can use on the visa application if I need to. Out of interest, is it possible to get access to the immigration policies in hard copy should you ever need to?

Be pleased when this is ironed out, as with the exception of medicals everything else seems to be slotting into place. Believe it or not I'm trying to finish my PhD thesis at the same time as trying to immigrate and work! Need to submit thesis before I leave, especially as my salary at the University will go up once I've got the qualification! It also helps to speed things up to help me arrive at the job in a reasonable timeframe.

So your help has saved me a fair bit of searching, and potentially a fair bit of stress. Your time (always the most precious commodity) is very much appreciated.

Claire.
:)


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