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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by upthehammers
couldnt have said it better myself.I am still in london waiting for my visa a nd after watching that silly woman on life down under moaning about oz have crap knickers i thought to myself "get a life love".Why people are thinking of things like that i am here with a son who can not even go to school through bullying.School did nothing.He was threatend,abused ect What i want to say is those that seem to have doubts in oz seemed to have a good life in britain anyway and are just looking for an adventure while others are desperate to give their family not a great life but just a livable one!If you dont like oz thats fine as i am not living there so i can not comment but please think really carefully the reasons you are giving.As for missing family i will miss mine but my kids life comes first and i can cope with missing family as long as my kids arec living not existing.
I have a fantastic life in the u.k with virtually no morgtage (not bragging just had some good luck).My wife does not work and I only work Monday to Friday. I read things on here and I do question the move to Oz as I am not going to Oz to struggle which is what I have done in the U.K for the last 15 years. O.K so the weather and lifestyle may be better but as the original poster said what about nights out with friends e.t.c you have known nearly all your life. We have decided if we like Oz we will move there if we get a visa but will rent our house out the u.k as who knows what the future holds? I look at it as an adventure - good luck with your own situation. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by kars
Hi
Just reading your post and yes it does make you wonder if you're doing the right thing, then I look around here and think where we live - it used to be a nice village surrounded by countryside, now theres building going on all round us (new site of 800 houses and an industrial estate). A plan for a travellers site up the road. Roadworks and traffics jams every direction you go. Not wanting to go into the City as no longer feel safe (gangs of kids and undesirables etc...) even though I have lived in LA and Miami and not a timid person. I work in a school for 14 to 19 year olds and witness abuse to teachers, violence, smoking, drugs and don't want my own kids to go there. And yes we have thought of moving to Devon or Cornwall but then house prices are too much and work hard to find. So on the whole I will give OZ a go. I can't lie I know I will miss friends and family but most of my friends have either moved to Canada, Australia or New Zealand or are in the process of doing so. Everyone who is hoping to move to OZ must think long and hard about what they are doing and must realise that they will take on the good and BAD of their new country. It is a balancing act and yes the Experience of living somewhere different new and having the opportunity to discover new things in life is important in my mind. All these things are what makes life interesting, the thought of living in the same street/ village and going to the same shop for food, a trip to Halfords for car parts for the rest of our lives would make me start to die (inside anyway). We live a military life and have lived in Hong Kong, Cyprus and Germany, not been back in UK for 11 years, I am from Cornwall and had the beach at the end of my road as a child. I had a great life and England has some beautiful places, our country in my mind is suffering at the moment everyone living on credit. If we wanted to give our children the same standard of living as we had as children and move back to Cornwall then we would both have so much stress trying to pay the mortgage (house prices are now ridiculous and wages in Cornwall so low). We have lived away from family seeing them if lucky once a year, but talking on the phone keeps you close enough. Our lives have been fantastic one long adventure of discovering new countries and cultures. Life experiences in my opinion allow you when the time comes to leave this life to reflect and think well I utilised every day learning and experiencing. This life lesson doesn't come without mistakes and some wrong turns but even these add to the richness of your life, playing it safe and the same in my mind is not enough. Well I am sorry I have gone on but I suppose it is threads like this that encourage the though process we all go through, especially if you have children. My kids have never had a settled life and I suppose I want them to have a home for the next few important years ( in OZ), but I hope they too will be adventurous in their life and I would hate it if they felt a need to remain with me for the rest of their lives, family is important but as support for decisions not to hold you back. And please for those who are lucky enough to go to OZ please when you get there dont tell everyone that ...... "this was better in UK........we had this better in UK........the Australians dont do this as well as we do", please take on your new country good and bad and try not to compare, look with new eyes and EXPERIENCE AUSTRALIA as a whole. Good luck to all and enjoy, good or bad, the experience Cheryl |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Lets take of those rose tinted glasses for the u.k returners as well.
Real life for the average working family.work Mon-Fri 8-5, set of in the dark, and wet and cold weather.8mths of the yr, the other 4 mths sick you have to go in work, as not usually good weather ,earn an average of £450 a week of which you spend £50 on petrol £150 on mortgage. £50 on bills , £80 on shopping £50 on all relevant insurances £20 cigarettes £30 on council tax.there goes one wage, haven't paid for bus fare for school or children's fun yet.or car finance. or to save for the two week holiday to travel to the sun , to sit with sundowners and wish every day was like that. call in Morrison's served by someone that only just understands English, call in garage, again man behind counter not english. put tv on , TV depressing eastenders again ,go to dvd shop spend £10 who again are not english, to entertain are selves. as its raining so even if you did wont to do something free, its stopped, and if you could go for walk, gangs of youths, put fear of god in you ,so you dont.so you go to amusements were again , nothing but European people, work and hang out.(This is a place were i and all my friends hung out as kids, now we carnt even take are kids with out feeling out of place).Saturday comes. set out shopping , 1 new top, few bits, call at Morrison's ,petrol, there goes £60 ,set out for a night out , couple of drinks in town , served only by non speaking english,Hey Spent another £50 , sunday arrives dark and drizzly ,so go out for sunday dinner £40 , children go to cinema £20 , monday morning start of with dark day , traffic , petrol, lunch money, bus money, shopping, £30. come home , bin men not took one black bin bag as it was stuck out of the top of wheelie bin,so went to the tip, asian asked for a permit for that vehicle (pick up).go home open mail to be told daughter has to appeal for her school placement, as over subscribed, but can offer alternative school of which the brochure on the school says the school has redeemed its bad reputation and is now a SAFE & Secure place of learning,that says it all.try to make appointment to see my doctor(asian), two days time , i phone next home shopping and speak with a woman in bangladesh. then i phone Barclays bank , i then say to the asian speaking woman, oh are you in bangladesh now aswell, she says no in leeds. Yes the U.K has its good points like any other country , and when on a dry weekend you go to the lake district, and have a walk and then sit looking at the pleasant scenery it to can be nice. but Usually due to the weather 8 mths of the yr nothing in the u.k that is good is free.and if it is the europeans have got there. so it looks like most places in the world are becoming the same, so might as well try it somewhere else. :) Same sh-- and all that , just with sunshine and less people. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paka
Lets take of those rose tinted glasses for the u.k returners as well.
Real life for the average working family.work Mon-Fri 8-5, set of in the dark, and wet and cold weather.8mths of the yr, the other 4 mths sick you have to go in work, as not usually good weather ,earn an average of £450 a week of which you spend £50 on petrol £150 on mortgage. £50 on bills , £80 on shopping £50 on all relevant insurances £20 cigarettes £30 on council tax.there goes one wage, haven't paid for bus fare for school or children's fun yet.or car finance. or to save for the two week holiday to travel to the sun , to sit with sundowners and wish every day was like that. call in Morrison's served by someone that only just understands English, call in garage, again man behind counter not english. put tv on , TV depressing eastenders again ,go to dvd shop spend £10 who again are not english, to entertain are selves. as its raining so even if you did wont to do something free, its stopped, and if you could go for walk, gangs of youths, put fear of god in you ,so you dont.so you go to amusements were again , nothing but European people, work and hang out.(This is a place were i and all my friends hung out as kids, now we carnt even take are kids with out feeling out of place).Saturday comes. set out shopping , 1 new top, few bits, call at Morrison's ,petrol, there goes £60 ,set out for a night out , couple of drinks in town , served only by non speaking english,Hey Spent another £50 , sunday arrives dark and drizzly ,so go out for sunday dinner £40 , children go to cinema £20 , monday morning start of with dark day , traffic , petrol, lunch money, bus money, shopping, £30. come home , bin men not took one black bin bag as it was stuck out of the top of wheelie bin,so went to the tip, asian asked for a permit for that vehicle (pick up).go home open mail to be told daughter has to appeal for her school placement, as over subscribed, but can offer alternative school of which the brochure on the school says the school has redeemed its bad reputation and is now a SAFE & Secure place of learning,that says it all.try to make appointment to see my doctor(asian), two days time , i phone next home shopping and speak with a woman in bangladesh. then i phone Barclays bank , i then say to the asian speaking woman, oh are you in bangladesh now aswell, she says no in leeds. Yes the U.K has its good points like any other country , and when on a dry weekend you go to the lake district, and have a walk and then sit looking at the pleasant scenery it to can be nice. but Usually due to the weather 8 mths of the yr nothing in the u.k that is good is free.and if it is the europeans have got there. so it looks like most places in the world are becoming the same, so might as well try it somewhere else. :) Same sh-- and all that , just with sunshine and less people. Can I just say that your occupation with non English speaking people will happen as well in Australia? Lebanese, Greek, Pakistani, Indian etc ... they're all there too. But I agree with your 8 months of the year point etc. :) |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
Can I just say that your occupation with non English speaking people will happen as well in Australia? Lebanese, Greek, Pakistani, Indian etc ... they're all there too.
But I agree with your 8 months of the year point etc. :) Just like people are saying dont come to oz with tinted glasses on, in which we have to thank them for making us awear. lets return the favour and say take of the tints ,for the return to the u.k too. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paka
Yes i now oz is also mixed race, please do not see me as racist in anyway, its just that the u.k is getting the most of it , and if anyone returning back form oz,will be shocked.even just in the last 6mths there has been an influx again ready for the summer work.The u.k is nowhere near as it was.and in time it will cause big problems. riots, we are just to small to take it. Look at France.
Just like people are saying dont come to oz with tinted glasses on, in which we have to thank them for making us awear. lets return the favour and say take of the tints ,for the return to the u.k too. My husband was an immigrant from Australia. He speaks English. I take it it's just the non speaking ones that give you grief, not the Australians, Dutch, German, Polish, Greek immigrants that can speak well. You might like to consider the rate at which people are leaving the UK compared to the astonishingly low immigration we have at the moment. The two are not in sync in any way, shape or form. The Imigration dept of the uk government has more figures online. I am sure you would like to avail yourself of them to bring yourself up to speed. :) |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
UK immigratrion is at an all time low. High figures are usually quoted by Daily Mail readers.
My husband was an immigrant from Australia. He speaks English. I take it it's just the non speaking ones that give you grief, not the Australians, Dutch, German, Polish, Greek immigrants that can speak well. You might like to consider the rate at which people are leaving the UK compared to the astonishingly low immigration we have at the moment. The two are not in sync in any way, shape or form. The Imigration dept of the uk government has more figures online. I am sure you would like to avail yourself of them to bring yourself up to speed. :) and just count the foreign car reg cars. oh please, if any more land we will sink.every other documentary on TV is reference to it. yes the non speaking ones, the ones that will work for nothing and take the youths jobs.Are children. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by halcyon 52
I agree with what you say about your life in the U.K.
I have a fantastic life in the u.k with virtually no morgtage (not bragging just had some good luck).My wife does not work and I only work Monday to Friday. I read things on here and I do question the move to Oz as I am not going to Oz to struggle which is what I have done in the U.K for the last 15 years. O.K so the weather and lifestyle may be better but as the original poster said what about nights out with friends e.t.c you have known nearly all your life. We have decided if we like Oz we will move there if we get a visa but will rent our house out the u.k as who knows what the future holds? I look at it as an adventure - good luck with your own situation. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
UK immigratrion is at an all time low. High figures are usually quoted by Daily Mail readers.
My husband was an immigrant from Australia. He speaks English. I take it it's just the non speaking ones that give you grief, not the Australians, Dutch, German, Polish, Greek immigrants that can speak well. You might like to consider the rate at which people are leaving the UK compared to the astonishingly low immigration we have at the moment. The two are not in sync in any way, shape or form. The Imigration dept of the uk government has more figures online. I am sure you would like to avail yourself of them to bring yourself up to speed. :) |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by draper5
I completely understand your point of view. We are the same situation. Just feel that as we are lucky enought to even be able to consider getting a visa, then we should go for it - life's short and the world's a big place! But we have already decided that we will rent house out and experience the Oz life before we make any long-term decisions. We will definitely miss friends (more than family to some extent!) but they're all keen to come visit us and all say "we'd do it if we had the chance". Just feel that we are fortunate enough to give our kids the opportunity to experience other things that we couldn't at their age, so we'd be silly not to (if DIMIA and TRA actually let us!!!)
We are thinking of the kids as well and are not looking at it as permanant (unless we settle). I have lived in my town for 27 years and have heaps of old friends but rarely see them because they are always working or broke so I have little to lose there. I see my mum 3 or 4 times a year and my dad spends time between here and oz anyway. Good luck |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by fraser
Don't say that on here mate, they all think the UK is similar to hell and Oz is utopia ;)
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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paulf
So did you when you were shouting "WHERES MY VISA" :p
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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paka
i dont think i need the governments predictions, i will drive down one rd to Southport, then another to blackpool and so on,to see nothing but Europeans, sorry but think you must be in a different u.k than me. and as for our capital , well , and if you travel back up the m6 on a Sunday evening
and just count the foreign car reg cars. oh please, if any more land we will sink.every other documentary on TV is reference to it. yes the non speaking ones, the ones that will work for nothing and take the youths jobs.Are children. Best of luck anyway. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
I'd love to continue this conversation but I don't understand your grammar.
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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paulf
So did you when you were shouting "WHERES MY VISA" :p
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