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Re: Is it really worth it?
Just to add to this thread again ..Isnt it funny how your insecurities are affected by other peoples posts on here. On the one hand, its great when you read peoples positive experiences of Oz but on the other when you read the bad experiences you begin to doubt whether you are sane!
To put it into perspective, every individual and every family will see things differently and two families in exactly the same situation would have a completely different outlook on life, wherever they are in the world. I read other peoples experiences with interest however to those who have decided that they want to make a go of it here in Oz, 'where the bloody hell are you'? What I am trying to say is if you have an open mind and you are ready to make the move - get here and find out for yourself whether its the life for you. Take Care Jaymac |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by JAYMAC
Just to add to this thread again ..Isnt it funny how your insecurities are affected by other peoples posts on here. On the one hand, its great when you read peoples positive experiences of Oz but on the other when you read the bad experiences you begin to doubt whether you are sane!
To put it into perspective, every individual and every family will see things differently and two families in exactly the same situation would have a completely different outlook on life, wherever they are in the world. I read other peoples experiences with interest however to those who have decided that they want to make a go of it here in Oz, 'where the bloody hell are you'? What I am trying to say is if you have an open mind and you are ready to make the move - get here and find out for yourself whether its the life for you. Take Care Jaymac |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by martin1
all you read is people missing the simplest of things ie chocolate ,marks and spencers and how long it takes for a traffic light to change .is this so bad ?
It also makes me appreciate what I have. :cool: |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by monkeyc
Hi All,
Just browsing through some of the posts here..the level of desperation to get that visa takes me back to when we went through all this in '03/'04. Is UK plc such a bad place? Nah it's just different - nowhere is perfect. We have been in Perth for 2 years now..the first six months were great - beaches, sunshine, etc, etc all the stuff you imagine enjoying when you are at the point most folks in this group appear to be. When the novelty wears off (oh yes it will - this is not a holiday) at least one of you will likely start to miss stuff you currently take for granted. If you have family here that will obviously be a help, but there are a lot of late 30's/early 40's Brits here that have taken the plunge 10 years too late and find themselves with a very difficult path back. Examples? Take an experienced gas fitter or plumber that had all the right ticks on the TRA assessment then finds once here that he can't work in the trade without undergoing a 2 year apprenticeship. (some of them end up driving courier vans or similar to survive - nothing wrong with that but it's not what they came here for) Electrician? Similar story. Painter? That's also a registered profession here chum - don't think you can just buy a van and get going as a contractor. Quality of life is a subjective thing - is it having a pool in the back garden and living near the beach? Or is it having a dinner party with the friends you have spent half a lifetime with, a night out on the town with the boys/girls now and again, being able to drop the kid's off at your mum's place at the drop of a hat - don't even think about what your first Christmas will feel like, I haven't met an expat here that actually enjoys Christmas here even after many years - some of you will certainly be begging for Jan 2nd to come around so that you can forget about it for another year! Many will end up sitting on the end of the bed, head in hands thinking "what the hell have we done!" (I thought it was just me until I confessed this to other ex-pats here) Of course you won't want to hear this sort of stuff when you have spent a small fortune with DIMIA - 2 years ago I didn't either. No matter how much research you think you have done it will not be enough - there will be things you did not count on. If you have spent good money on this and are determined to give it a go here's one tip above all others DONT SELL THE HOUSE UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO! Refinance and/or rent it out if you can (remember UK interest is currently lower than AUS) - that's what an Aussie going to the UK would likely do! If you still love it here after the novelty wears off you could sell up a couple of years down the line - if you don't you would have your HOME to go back to (i.e. not just a house) Australia is a beautiful place to spend time (I have visited various parts of WA, Sydney and Melbourne since emigrating) but remember most things you will gain will eventually be balanced against what you are leaving behind. The scales may not tip the way you think! Good Luck All! John |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by rossifumi
We won't regret a thing as far as family is concerned. We have had zero support from both sides and I mean zero. Before anyone suggests "oh you must have had a little bit", trust me, zero!
It's time to look after number one and his family, simple. I know this is digressing slightly, a mini rant I suppose. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by upthehammers
couldnt have said it better myself.I am still in london waiting for my visa a nd after watching that silly woman on life down under moaning about oz have crap knickers i thought to myself "get a life love".Why people are thinking of things like that i am here with a son who can not even go to school through bullying.School did nothing.He was threatend,abused ect What i want to say is those that seem to have doubts in oz seemed to have a good life in britain anyway and are just looking for an adventure while others are desperate to give their family not a great life but just a livable one!If you dont like oz thats fine as i am not living there so i can not comment but please think really carefully the reasons you are giving.As for missing family i will miss mine but my kids life comes first and i can cope with missing family as long as my kids arec living not existing.
I have a fantastic life in the u.k with virtually no morgtage (not bragging just had some good luck).My wife does not work and I only work Monday to Friday. I read things on here and I do question the move to Oz as I am not going to Oz to struggle which is what I have done in the U.K for the last 15 years. O.K so the weather and lifestyle may be better but as the original poster said what about nights out with friends e.t.c you have known nearly all your life. We have decided if we like Oz we will move there if we get a visa but will rent our house out the u.k as who knows what the future holds? I look at it as an adventure - good luck with your own situation. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by kars
Hi
Just reading your post and yes it does make you wonder if you're doing the right thing, then I look around here and think where we live - it used to be a nice village surrounded by countryside, now theres building going on all round us (new site of 800 houses and an industrial estate). A plan for a travellers site up the road. Roadworks and traffics jams every direction you go. Not wanting to go into the City as no longer feel safe (gangs of kids and undesirables etc...) even though I have lived in LA and Miami and not a timid person. I work in a school for 14 to 19 year olds and witness abuse to teachers, violence, smoking, drugs and don't want my own kids to go there. And yes we have thought of moving to Devon or Cornwall but then house prices are too much and work hard to find. So on the whole I will give OZ a go. I can't lie I know I will miss friends and family but most of my friends have either moved to Canada, Australia or New Zealand or are in the process of doing so. Everyone who is hoping to move to OZ must think long and hard about what they are doing and must realise that they will take on the good and BAD of their new country. It is a balancing act and yes the Experience of living somewhere different new and having the opportunity to discover new things in life is important in my mind. All these things are what makes life interesting, the thought of living in the same street/ village and going to the same shop for food, a trip to Halfords for car parts for the rest of our lives would make me start to die (inside anyway). We live a military life and have lived in Hong Kong, Cyprus and Germany, not been back in UK for 11 years, I am from Cornwall and had the beach at the end of my road as a child. I had a great life and England has some beautiful places, our country in my mind is suffering at the moment everyone living on credit. If we wanted to give our children the same standard of living as we had as children and move back to Cornwall then we would both have so much stress trying to pay the mortgage (house prices are now ridiculous and wages in Cornwall so low). We have lived away from family seeing them if lucky once a year, but talking on the phone keeps you close enough. Our lives have been fantastic one long adventure of discovering new countries and cultures. Life experiences in my opinion allow you when the time comes to leave this life to reflect and think well I utilised every day learning and experiencing. This life lesson doesn't come without mistakes and some wrong turns but even these add to the richness of your life, playing it safe and the same in my mind is not enough. Well I am sorry I have gone on but I suppose it is threads like this that encourage the though process we all go through, especially if you have children. My kids have never had a settled life and I suppose I want them to have a home for the next few important years ( in OZ), but I hope they too will be adventurous in their life and I would hate it if they felt a need to remain with me for the rest of their lives, family is important but as support for decisions not to hold you back. And please for those who are lucky enough to go to OZ please when you get there dont tell everyone that ...... "this was better in UK........we had this better in UK........the Australians dont do this as well as we do", please take on your new country good and bad and try not to compare, look with new eyes and EXPERIENCE AUSTRALIA as a whole. Good luck to all and enjoy, good or bad, the experience Cheryl |
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Lets take of those rose tinted glasses for the u.k returners as well.
Real life for the average working family.work Mon-Fri 8-5, set of in the dark, and wet and cold weather.8mths of the yr, the other 4 mths sick you have to go in work, as not usually good weather ,earn an average of £450 a week of which you spend £50 on petrol £150 on mortgage. £50 on bills , £80 on shopping £50 on all relevant insurances £20 cigarettes £30 on council tax.there goes one wage, haven't paid for bus fare for school or children's fun yet.or car finance. or to save for the two week holiday to travel to the sun , to sit with sundowners and wish every day was like that. call in Morrison's served by someone that only just understands English, call in garage, again man behind counter not english. put tv on , TV depressing eastenders again ,go to dvd shop spend £10 who again are not english, to entertain are selves. as its raining so even if you did wont to do something free, its stopped, and if you could go for walk, gangs of youths, put fear of god in you ,so you dont.so you go to amusements were again , nothing but European people, work and hang out.(This is a place were i and all my friends hung out as kids, now we carnt even take are kids with out feeling out of place).Saturday comes. set out shopping , 1 new top, few bits, call at Morrison's ,petrol, there goes £60 ,set out for a night out , couple of drinks in town , served only by non speaking english,Hey Spent another £50 , sunday arrives dark and drizzly ,so go out for sunday dinner £40 , children go to cinema £20 , monday morning start of with dark day , traffic , petrol, lunch money, bus money, shopping, £30. come home , bin men not took one black bin bag as it was stuck out of the top of wheelie bin,so went to the tip, asian asked for a permit for that vehicle (pick up).go home open mail to be told daughter has to appeal for her school placement, as over subscribed, but can offer alternative school of which the brochure on the school says the school has redeemed its bad reputation and is now a SAFE & Secure place of learning,that says it all.try to make appointment to see my doctor(asian), two days time , i phone next home shopping and speak with a woman in bangladesh. then i phone Barclays bank , i then say to the asian speaking woman, oh are you in bangladesh now aswell, she says no in leeds. Yes the U.K has its good points like any other country , and when on a dry weekend you go to the lake district, and have a walk and then sit looking at the pleasant scenery it to can be nice. but Usually due to the weather 8 mths of the yr nothing in the u.k that is good is free.and if it is the europeans have got there. so it looks like most places in the world are becoming the same, so might as well try it somewhere else. :) Same sh-- and all that , just with sunshine and less people. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paka
Lets take of those rose tinted glasses for the u.k returners as well.
Real life for the average working family.work Mon-Fri 8-5, set of in the dark, and wet and cold weather.8mths of the yr, the other 4 mths sick you have to go in work, as not usually good weather ,earn an average of £450 a week of which you spend £50 on petrol £150 on mortgage. £50 on bills , £80 on shopping £50 on all relevant insurances £20 cigarettes £30 on council tax.there goes one wage, haven't paid for bus fare for school or children's fun yet.or car finance. or to save for the two week holiday to travel to the sun , to sit with sundowners and wish every day was like that. call in Morrison's served by someone that only just understands English, call in garage, again man behind counter not english. put tv on , TV depressing eastenders again ,go to dvd shop spend £10 who again are not english, to entertain are selves. as its raining so even if you did wont to do something free, its stopped, and if you could go for walk, gangs of youths, put fear of god in you ,so you dont.so you go to amusements were again , nothing but European people, work and hang out.(This is a place were i and all my friends hung out as kids, now we carnt even take are kids with out feeling out of place).Saturday comes. set out shopping , 1 new top, few bits, call at Morrison's ,petrol, there goes £60 ,set out for a night out , couple of drinks in town , served only by non speaking english,Hey Spent another £50 , sunday arrives dark and drizzly ,so go out for sunday dinner £40 , children go to cinema £20 , monday morning start of with dark day , traffic , petrol, lunch money, bus money, shopping, £30. come home , bin men not took one black bin bag as it was stuck out of the top of wheelie bin,so went to the tip, asian asked for a permit for that vehicle (pick up).go home open mail to be told daughter has to appeal for her school placement, as over subscribed, but can offer alternative school of which the brochure on the school says the school has redeemed its bad reputation and is now a SAFE & Secure place of learning,that says it all.try to make appointment to see my doctor(asian), two days time , i phone next home shopping and speak with a woman in bangladesh. then i phone Barclays bank , i then say to the asian speaking woman, oh are you in bangladesh now aswell, she says no in leeds. Yes the U.K has its good points like any other country , and when on a dry weekend you go to the lake district, and have a walk and then sit looking at the pleasant scenery it to can be nice. but Usually due to the weather 8 mths of the yr nothing in the u.k that is good is free.and if it is the europeans have got there. so it looks like most places in the world are becoming the same, so might as well try it somewhere else. :) Same sh-- and all that , just with sunshine and less people. Can I just say that your occupation with non English speaking people will happen as well in Australia? Lebanese, Greek, Pakistani, Indian etc ... they're all there too. But I agree with your 8 months of the year point etc. :) |
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Originally Posted by iPom
Can I just say that your occupation with non English speaking people will happen as well in Australia? Lebanese, Greek, Pakistani, Indian etc ... they're all there too.
But I agree with your 8 months of the year point etc. :) Just like people are saying dont come to oz with tinted glasses on, in which we have to thank them for making us awear. lets return the favour and say take of the tints ,for the return to the u.k too. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paka
Yes i now oz is also mixed race, please do not see me as racist in anyway, its just that the u.k is getting the most of it , and if anyone returning back form oz,will be shocked.even just in the last 6mths there has been an influx again ready for the summer work.The u.k is nowhere near as it was.and in time it will cause big problems. riots, we are just to small to take it. Look at France.
Just like people are saying dont come to oz with tinted glasses on, in which we have to thank them for making us awear. lets return the favour and say take of the tints ,for the return to the u.k too. My husband was an immigrant from Australia. He speaks English. I take it it's just the non speaking ones that give you grief, not the Australians, Dutch, German, Polish, Greek immigrants that can speak well. You might like to consider the rate at which people are leaving the UK compared to the astonishingly low immigration we have at the moment. The two are not in sync in any way, shape or form. The Imigration dept of the uk government has more figures online. I am sure you would like to avail yourself of them to bring yourself up to speed. :) |
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Originally Posted by iPom
UK immigratrion is at an all time low. High figures are usually quoted by Daily Mail readers.
My husband was an immigrant from Australia. He speaks English. I take it it's just the non speaking ones that give you grief, not the Australians, Dutch, German, Polish, Greek immigrants that can speak well. You might like to consider the rate at which people are leaving the UK compared to the astonishingly low immigration we have at the moment. The two are not in sync in any way, shape or form. The Imigration dept of the uk government has more figures online. I am sure you would like to avail yourself of them to bring yourself up to speed. :) and just count the foreign car reg cars. oh please, if any more land we will sink.every other documentary on TV is reference to it. yes the non speaking ones, the ones that will work for nothing and take the youths jobs.Are children. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by halcyon 52
I agree with what you say about your life in the U.K.
I have a fantastic life in the u.k with virtually no morgtage (not bragging just had some good luck).My wife does not work and I only work Monday to Friday. I read things on here and I do question the move to Oz as I am not going to Oz to struggle which is what I have done in the U.K for the last 15 years. O.K so the weather and lifestyle may be better but as the original poster said what about nights out with friends e.t.c you have known nearly all your life. We have decided if we like Oz we will move there if we get a visa but will rent our house out the u.k as who knows what the future holds? I look at it as an adventure - good luck with your own situation. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
UK immigratrion is at an all time low. High figures are usually quoted by Daily Mail readers.
My husband was an immigrant from Australia. He speaks English. I take it it's just the non speaking ones that give you grief, not the Australians, Dutch, German, Polish, Greek immigrants that can speak well. You might like to consider the rate at which people are leaving the UK compared to the astonishingly low immigration we have at the moment. The two are not in sync in any way, shape or form. The Imigration dept of the uk government has more figures online. I am sure you would like to avail yourself of them to bring yourself up to speed. :) |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by draper5
I completely understand your point of view. We are the same situation. Just feel that as we are lucky enought to even be able to consider getting a visa, then we should go for it - life's short and the world's a big place! But we have already decided that we will rent house out and experience the Oz life before we make any long-term decisions. We will definitely miss friends (more than family to some extent!) but they're all keen to come visit us and all say "we'd do it if we had the chance". Just feel that we are fortunate enough to give our kids the opportunity to experience other things that we couldn't at their age, so we'd be silly not to (if DIMIA and TRA actually let us!!!)
We are thinking of the kids as well and are not looking at it as permanant (unless we settle). I have lived in my town for 27 years and have heaps of old friends but rarely see them because they are always working or broke so I have little to lose there. I see my mum 3 or 4 times a year and my dad spends time between here and oz anyway. Good luck |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by fraser
Don't say that on here mate, they all think the UK is similar to hell and Oz is utopia ;)
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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paulf
So did you when you were shouting "WHERES MY VISA" :p
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Originally Posted by paka
i dont think i need the governments predictions, i will drive down one rd to Southport, then another to blackpool and so on,to see nothing but Europeans, sorry but think you must be in a different u.k than me. and as for our capital , well , and if you travel back up the m6 on a Sunday evening
and just count the foreign car reg cars. oh please, if any more land we will sink.every other documentary on TV is reference to it. yes the non speaking ones, the ones that will work for nothing and take the youths jobs.Are children. Best of luck anyway. |
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Originally Posted by iPom
I'd love to continue this conversation but I don't understand your grammar.
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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paulf
So did you when you were shouting "WHERES MY VISA" :p
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Originally Posted by Hutch
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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paka
Lets take of those rose tinted glasses for the u.k returners as well.
Real life for the average working family.work Mon-Fri 8-5, set of in the dark, and wet and cold weather.8mths of the yr, the other 4 mths sick you have to go in work, as not usually good weather ,earn an average of £450 a week of which you spend £50 on petrol £150 on mortgage. £50 on bills , £80 on shopping £50 on all relevant insurances £20 cigarettes £30 on council tax.there goes one wage, haven't paid for bus fare for school or children's fun yet.or car finance. or to save for the two week holiday to travel to the sun , to sit with sundowners and wish every day was like that. call in Morrison's served by someone that only just understands English, call in garage, again man behind counter not english. put tv on , TV depressing eastenders again ,go to dvd shop spend £10 who again are not english, to entertain are selves. as its raining so even if you did wont to do something free, its stopped, and if you could go for walk, gangs of youths, put fear of god in you ,so you dont.so you go to amusements were again , nothing but European people, work and hang out.(This is a place were i and all my friends hung out as kids, now we carnt even take are kids with out feeling out of place).Saturday comes. set out shopping , 1 new top, few bits, call at Morrison's ,petrol, there goes £60 ,set out for a night out , couple of drinks in town , served only by non speaking english,Hey Spent another £50 , sunday arrives dark and drizzly ,so go out for sunday dinner £40 , children go to cinema £20 , monday morning start of with dark day , traffic , petrol, lunch money, bus money, shopping, £30. come home , bin men not took one black bin bag as it was stuck out of the top of wheelie bin,so went to the tip, asian asked for a permit for that vehicle (pick up).go home open mail to be told daughter has to appeal for her school placement, as over subscribed, but can offer alternative school of which the brochure on the school says the school has redeemed its bad reputation and is now a SAFE & Secure place of learning,that says it all.try to make appointment to see my doctor(asian), two days time , i phone next home shopping and speak with a woman in bangladesh. then i phone Barclays bank , i then say to the asian speaking woman, oh are you in bangladesh now aswell, she says no in leeds. Yes the U.K has its good points like any other country , and when on a dry weekend you go to the lake district, and have a walk and then sit looking at the pleasant scenery it to can be nice. but Usually due to the weather 8 mths of the yr nothing in the u.k that is good is free.and if it is the europeans have got there. so it looks like most places in the world are becoming the same, so might as well try it somewhere else. :) Same sh-- and all that , just with sunshine and less people. My life is a great deal better than the example you describe here, but you have made some excellent points. :) Personally, I am not really bothered by the number of people who can't speak English terribly well; what concerns me is the social problems that result from their refusal to integrate and (for some of them) a brooding resentment against Western civilisation. London bombings, anyone? :rolleyes: |
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Originally Posted by iPom
UK immigratrion is at an all time low. High figures are usually quoted by Daily Mail readers.
My husband was an immigrant from Australia. He speaks English. I take it it's just the non speaking ones that give you grief, not the Australians, Dutch, German, Polish, Greek immigrants that can speak well. You might like to consider the rate at which people are leaving the UK compared to the astonishingly low immigration we have at the moment. The two are not in sync in any way, shape or form. The Imigration dept of the uk government has more figures online. I am sure you would like to avail yourself of them to bring yourself up to speed. :) Net migration into the UK has averaged 166,000 a year over the last 7 years. The UK’s population is projected to rise by 7.2 million from 2004 to 2031 – 6.0 million (83%) of this rise is due to immigration. That’s equivalent to a two cities the size of Cambridge every year, or 6 cities the size of Birmingham over the 27 year period, needing to be built because of immigration. |
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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
It might be "astonishingly low" when compared to previous years, but it seems astonishingly high to me:
Net migration into the UK has averaged 166,000 a year over the last 7 years. The UK’s population is projected to rise by 7.2 million from 2004 to 2031 – 6.0 million (83%) of this rise is due to immigration. That’s equivalent to a two cities the size of Cambridge every year, or 6 cities the size of Birmingham over the 27 year period, needing to be built because of immigration. And most of them live just down the road to me. :rolleyes: |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by monkeyc
Hi All,
Just browsing through some of the posts here..the level of desperation to get that visa takes me back to when we went through all this in '03/'04. Is UK plc such a bad place? Nah it's just different - nowhere is perfect. We have been in Perth for 2 years now..the first six months were great - beaches, sunshine, etc, etc all the stuff you imagine enjoying when you are at the point most folks in this group appear to be. When the novelty wears off (oh yes it will - this is not a holiday) at least one of you will likely start to miss stuff you currently take for granted. If you have family here that will obviously be a help, but there are a lot of late 30's/early 40's Brits here that have taken the plunge 10 years too late and find themselves with a very difficult path back. Examples? Take an experienced gas fitter or plumber that had all the right ticks on the TRA assessment then finds once here that he can't work in the trade without undergoing a 2 year apprenticeship. (some of them end up driving courier vans or similar to survive - nothing wrong with that but it's not what they came here for) Electrician? Similar story. Painter? That's also a registered profession here chum - don't think you can just buy a van and get going as a contractor. Quality of life is a subjective thing - is it having a pool in the back garden and living near the beach? Or is it having a dinner party with the friends you have spent half a lifetime with, a night out on the town with the boys/girls now and again, being able to drop the kid's off at your mum's place at the drop of a hat - don't even think about what your first Christmas will feel like, I haven't met an expat here that actually enjoys Christmas here even after many years - some of you will certainly be begging for Jan 2nd to come around so that you can forget about it for another year! Many will end up sitting on the end of the bed, head in hands thinking "what the hell have we done!" (I thought it was just me until I confessed this to other ex-pats here) Of course you won't want to hear this sort of stuff when you have spent a small fortune with DIMIA - 2 years ago I didn't either. No matter how much research you think you have done it will not be enough - there will be things you did not count on. If you have spent good money on this and are determined to give it a go here's one tip above all others DONT SELL THE HOUSE UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO! Refinance and/or rent it out if you can (remember UK interest is currently lower than AUS) - that's what an Aussie going to the UK would likely do! If you still love it here after the novelty wears off you could sell up a couple of years down the line - if you don't you would have your HOME to go back to (i.e. not just a house) Australia is a beautiful place to spend time (I have visited various parts of WA, Sydney and Melbourne since emigrating) but remember most things you will gain will eventually be balanced against what you are leaving behind. The scales may not tip the way you think! Good Luck All! John You make some interesting points but I think it is all down to the individual people involved and their reasons for leaving the UK. We are moving to Cairns in mid-may after a two and a half year fight for visas (and I mean fight!). Our family are not happy but we can't live our lives for our families or for our friends for that matter. We are leaving as we have decided that we can sell our house in the UK (in the process of doing so) and will be able to afford a decent enough house in Cairns with no mortgage therefore taking a bit of pressure off us financially. We are tired of the miserable weather and not being able to do any outdoor activities due it being cold and dark 8months of the year! To top it all off my husband is being made redundant at the end of March and he works in the electronics industry of which there is none left in the UK so right now moving to a warm country with the prospect of having no mortgage and better job opportunities is looking pretty good to us right now :) We know that it will be a struggle to fit in and meet friends but we don't have a huge circle of the friends in the UK (mainly as I have moved about most of my life - Scotland, lake districts and Surrey) so we have formed a very close bond as husband and wife and will draw support off each other. Perhaps you should be trying to encourage people with the good points on Australia not the negative ones as they have already made a big and brave decision about moving to Australia anyway and that is enough stress for them. I am not saying people shouldn't know what it is like but until they get there and find out for themselves they won't ever really have the first hand experience. My final point - why are you still in Australia if it is all so terrible? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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And how many people are leaving the UK in comparison?
Lots live near here too, but I think the british have a 'them and us' attitude towards immigrants. I would be the first to accept that Britain has always been taking in immigrants ... Very few of us can claim to be pure blood picts, angles or jutes can we? Most have Irish, Scottish, French, Dutch or whatever in there too somewhere along the way. Let's hear it for Roman invasion. We're only carrying on doing exactly what we've been doing for hundreds of years. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by WendyC
And most of them live just down the road to me. :rolleyes:
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Re: Is it really worth it?
[QUOTE=and i too would rather regret doing something than regret not having done it. just because every poster doesnt bear their souls on here doesnt mean they are naive enough to think aus is a utopia - in fact in all honesty i cant recall reading a post from anyone who does. [/QUOTE]
God you can't have read many posts lol high wages, low everyday costs, lifes all sitting round the pool drinking beer, short working week amongst other stuff I've read on here :D. TV portray Aus in a very good light and in reality it has many good points just like any other place. Not sure how I'll feel after 5 years living in Aus, if I have to come back to UK I'd have lost nothing, but I'm pretty sure I;d have enjoyed my time in Aus no matter what... :) |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
I am going to Aus to GET a family ... but I am not in any way under any illusions.
Why have prior mentioned family upset you???? Or do I need to stress you can't have mine :P |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by paka
Lets take of those rose tinted glasses for the u.k returners as well.
Real life for the average working family.work Mon-Fri 8-5, set of in the dark, and wet and cold weather.8mths of the yr, the other 4 mths sick you have to go in work, as not usually good weather ,earn an average of £450 a week of which you spend £50 on petrol £150 on mortgage. £50 on bills , £80 on shopping £50 on all relevant insurances £20 cigarettes £30 on council tax.there goes one wage, haven't paid for bus fare for school or children's fun yet.or car finance. or to save for the two week holiday to travel to the sun , to sit with sundowners and wish every day was like that. call in Morrison's served by someone that only just understands English, call in garage, again man behind counter not english. put tv on , TV depressing eastenders again ,go to dvd shop spend £10 who again are not english, to entertain are selves. as its raining so even if you did wont to do something free, its stopped, and if you could go for walk, gangs of youths, put fear of god in you ,so you dont.so you go to amusements were again , nothing but European people, work and hang out.(This is a place were i and all my friends hung out as kids, now we carnt even take are kids with out feeling out of place).Saturday comes. set out shopping , 1 new top, few bits, call at Morrison's ,petrol, there goes £60 ,set out for a night out , couple of drinks in town , served only by non speaking english,Hey Spent another £50 , sunday arrives dark and drizzly ,so go out for sunday dinner £40 , children go to cinema £20 , monday morning start of with dark day , traffic , petrol, lunch money, bus money, shopping, £30. come home , bin men not took one black bin bag as it was stuck out of the top of wheelie bin,so went to the tip, asian asked for a permit for that vehicle (pick up).go home open mail to be told daughter has to appeal for her school placement, as over subscribed, but can offer alternative school of which the brochure on the school says the school has redeemed its bad reputation and is now a SAFE & Secure place of learning,that says it all.try to make appointment to see my doctor(asian), two days time , i phone next home shopping and speak with a woman in bangladesh. then i phone Barclays bank , i then say to the asian speaking woman, oh are you in bangladesh now aswell, she says no in leeds. Yes the U.K has its good points like any other country , and when on a dry weekend you go to the lake district, and have a walk and then sit looking at the pleasant scenery it to can be nice. but Usually due to the weather 8 mths of the yr nothing in the u.k that is good is free.and if it is the europeans have got there. so it looks like most places in the world are becoming the same, so might as well try it somewhere else. :) Same sh-- and all that , just with sunshine and less people. Tell you what you must have some journey to work!!! £50 petrol what you driving lol. Have to say I live in the eutopia bit of Utopia of UK if that's what you have to put up with. Hopefully you won't take the pesssmistic view of everything in Aus or you'll be miserable there too ;) and will have moved for nothing! |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by Australia_bound?
Why have prior mentioned family upset you????
Or do I need to stress you can't have mine :P :D My parents are just too wrapped up in God and themselves to realise what's going on. When I had my third child (here's a good example of what to expect from my parents) both him and I nearly died. It was touch and go... and then when we finally made it out of hospital and got home, neither of them came to see us or help. I'd had a c-section and had two other small children at home and a very stressed husband obviously.... Then three weeks later, my babe developed viral meningitis and we headed back into hospital for a week and a half, whilst my hub soldiered on at home, working, looking after my two girls and visiting me and baby in the hospital. Was there any sniff of family to see us? Not a one. So when you live with that, knowing that on the other side of the world there are parents in law who would bend over backwards to help you, you have to wonder just what the hell you're doing in the UK. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
:D
My parents are just too wrapped up in God and themselves to realise what's going on. When I had my third child (here's a good example of what to expect from my parents) both him and I nearly died. It was touch and go... and then when we finally made it out of hospital and got home, neither of them came to see us or help. I'd had a c-section and had two other small children at home and a very stressed husband obviously.... Then three weeks later, my babe developed viral meningitis and we headed back into hospital for a week and a half, whilst my hub soldiered on at home, working, looking after my two girls and visiting me and baby in the hospital. Was there any sniff of family to see us? Not a one. So when you live with that, knowing that on the other side of the world there are parents in law who would bend over backwards to help you, you have to wonder just what the hell you're doing in the UK. People and family were good but you are still on your own - it was "us" as a family on our own at the end of the day. I know it would have been much tougher in Oz on our own though. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
:D
My parents are just too wrapped up in God and themselves to realise what's going on. When I had my third child (here's a good example of what to expect from my parents) both him and I nearly died. It was touch and go... and then when we finally made it out of hospital and got home, neither of them came to see us or help. I'd had a c-section and had two other small children at home and a very stressed husband obviously.... Then three weeks later, my babe developed viral meningitis and we headed back into hospital for a week and a half, whilst my hub soldiered on at home, working, looking after my two girls and visiting me and baby in the hospital. Was there any sniff of family to see us? Not a one. So when you live with that, knowing that on the other side of the world there are parents in law who would bend over backwards to help you, you have to wonder just what the hell you're doing in the UK. Hi iPom, That is absolutely shocking !! How any parent could do that is beyond me. But i'm a great believer in what goes around comes around, and for their sake, they want to hope they don't need your help, cos i hope you'd tell them where to go. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
I think its good to see the good posts about Oz and the negative posts also.
At the end of the day most sensible thinking people will make their own mind up about wether or not to emmigrate and will not be swayed by a post. I thought the op was quite good and it does make you think how you might feel. As said before with a gain there usually comes a loss and the op is just stating his own feelings. The big house e.t.c will not make you happy anywhere in the world, happiness comes from within yourself :) |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by halcyon 52
The big house e.t.c will not make you happy anywhere in the world, happiness comes from within yourself :)
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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by pazza
Hi iPom,
That is absolutely shocking !! How any parent could do that is beyond me. But i'm a great believer in what goes around comes around, and for their sake, they want to hope they don't need your help, cos i hope you'd tell them where to go. Yeah, it hurts, that's for sure. But look, they've lost out now because we've had enough of toughing it out on our own ... I'm looking forward to having a regular family who'll happily pitch in because they like you and they have no agenda other than just being 'family'. |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by halcyon 52
The big house e.t.c will not make you happy anywhere in the world, happiness comes from within yourself :)
I don't think it will make you happy, but it will certainly help. I appreciate Australian architecture a whole heap after living in a little Victorian cottage! :D |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by iPom
I don't think it will make you happy, but it will certainly help. I appreciate Australian architecture a whole heap after living in a little Victorian cottage! :D
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Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by halcyon 52
I live in a smallish semi and it is one of the attractions I must admit but not the right reason to emmigrate. :)
Space is one of the reasons for us ... there are lots of small reasons all going to make one big one ... To get Aussie style space here, we simply could not afford it... or we could but the mortgage would kill us ... Hell, I just love Australia. That's why I'm going. :D |
Re: Is it really worth it?
Originally Posted by Australia_bound?
Tell you what you must have some journey to work!!! £50 petrol what you driving lol.
Have to say I live in the eutopia bit of Utopia of UK if that's what you have to put up with. Hopefully you won't take the pesssmistic view of everything in Aus or you'll be miserable there too ;) and will have moved for nothing! |
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