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Hi everyone. I've just signed up to this forum as I would like to emigrate to Australia. My problem is I have no skills and no friends or family out there. I've gathered that if you have a "skill in demand" then this can get you into the country, along with other bits and bobs to make up the points.

Now my question?

I've seen courses for plumbing that can be crash coursed in 9 months, I've seen the same type of course to become MCSE qualified (I.T) in 6 months!! Does anybody have any other advice on how long it takes on average to get qualified in their field, either doing a full or part time course at college or wherever?

Any help will be very much appreciated as I really have no idea of which way to jump at the moment :( I'm currently 35 and the way I see it have 10 yrs to get there, I just want to get started researching college places but don't want to go starting a course that will take 2 yrs when I can be qualified in another suitable field in say 9 months.

I hope that makes some sense :)

Pete

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The skilled visa route requires that you have work experience, just doing a course won't be enough, you need to have been working in the "job" for a minimum amount of time and this varies (i think) between different skills.

Your best bet is to download http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/books6.htm which tells you all about it.

Other options could be sponsored visas, business visas, distinguished talent visas all the information is on www.immi.gov.au ; otherwise get in touch with a migration agent and get them to give you a quick assessment. Most will do this for free and will give you an indication as to whether you are likely to be able to get a visa.

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Hi owieb, yes I'm aware experience is needed. I think 3-4 yrs for an Independent visa, and only 12 months for State Territory Nominated. Once qualified I'll obviously have to work in this field till I go, but am under the impression once there, I am NOT tied down to actually working in this field!

Strange, but true! .......... I think ?!

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Don't forget the "skill in demand" list or Migration Occupation in Demand List (MODL) changes frequently so the occupation you are now training for might not be on the list when you need it.

I'd be surprised if the relevant assessing body would consider you as qualified in any of the occupations with only 9 months training and 12 months or so experience.

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Yeah this is my worry, training up as something and then they drop it from the list at the last minute! but there MUST be some regulars that are always on there ?! ........ I don't know.

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I'd be surprised if the relevant assessing body would consider you as qualified in any of the occupations with only 9 months training and 12 months or so experience.

I agree, but if I can get for example qualified in 9 months as a plumber, and I read this on the immi.gov website for State Territory Nomination:

If your nominated occupation is worth 60 points you must have been in paid employment in a skilled occupation for at least 12 of the 18 months immediately before applying.

3 yrs, job done ???

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Hi Peter, another option could possibly be a "student visa"? That way you could maybe get your qualification over here, so you would be sure that it would be recognised here. I'm not really sure if you would be accepted for a student visa, you would be better off asking an agent, but maybe it's an option worth looking at.
Good Luck! :)

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A Student Visa?? ......... over there ?? .......... now that DOES sound appealing :) although I haven't read anything on this one.

Maybe time to speak to an agent me thinks.

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Hairdressers seem to be in pretty constant strong demand :D

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Before you apply to migrate you need a skills assessment. There are lots of different assessing bodies, depending on your trade.

I just can't imagine that you will get a positive assessment after only 9 months training.

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LOL, now my partner cannot read this!! She keeps on telling me I would be good at that, oh and the daughter. I have thought about it before, especially as i've also noted the demand for them, but i'll trim the girls hair for them, give the boy a crop with a electric razor, but just aint sure about that one really.

I suppose it aint a bad shout really as I MIGHT be resticted to what I can or cannot do in the future. I had a bad motorcycle accident over a year ago and broke both my arms. They've both got 36cm pins in them now and although I am slowly gaining strength in them, I or anybody else isn't sure if i'll ever regain 100% in the strength dept. Basically I mean I might end up being rulled out of ANY heavy manual work.

I'm just trying to pick peoples brains for now :)

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Renth, ok lets ditch 9 months. If it takes 3 yrs to train, then that's how long it will take.

I just wanna go down under. As I say as far as I gather, I have to get in by the time i'm 45 so have 10 yrs. I'd like to get there like the rest of them asap, but if it does take the 3 yrs, then that's what its gotta be I guess.

Just picking brains ;)

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Any particular reason, have you been here before?

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As are nurses!

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You then run the risk of the profession dropping off the list. The lists change and the points required change. Have a detailed look at all the forms and occupation lists and something might spark an interest.

In 5 years there will be a new government with different policies. Good luck.

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What does your partner do? Is there a way you could come through as the spouse on her application??

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hi , I have recently received a negative TRA assesment for my wife who completed a 6 month City & Guilds training course for her job. On the back of the letter TRA give the aceptable ammount of training they need for a Skilled Aplicancant

Formal Apprenticeship- time/experiance 4 years and 900 hrs formal training and contract of Apprenticeship

Informal Apprenticeship- 5 years ,900 hrs of formal training

Vocational Traineeship-5 yrs ,1800hrs formal training ,recognised Traineeship

Vocational Experiance- 6/7 years , identifiable Skill level

Australian Qualification - no time specified ,minimum AQF 3 ,trade test

pretty strict eh? best of luck ,i know me and the mrs are going to need it !!

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I'm pretty sure an MCSE will not provide you with the neccessary qualifications to enter Aus as a skilled computer person.

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Hi Peter
I would say go on a student visa. That is what i am doing hopefully....medicals tomorrow.
If you train for something that carries a points score of 60 and you train for 2 years or more in Australia, you are exempt from the work experience side of it. The only thing is that you have to pay for your courses, and then prove you have enough money, so it is certainly the most expensive way. I am 39 and am going to train to be a radiographer. I applied directly to universities there. I found them by searching on the internet then either applying on line or downloaded the application form and sending it off. I received an offer of a place within a couple of weeks.
We are hoping to be in Brisbane in January. My course will be 4 years as I have to do a foundation course first as it is so long since I studied.
Hope this helps
Amanda

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Point to remember.

You will (if the policy doesn't change) be exempt from 'recent work experience' as per the basic requirements imposed by DIMIA, but this doesn't stop the skills assessing authority from imposing work experience for you to get a positive assessment. You may well get this if you go down the trades route, so just completing the course doesn't mean you even get past the first hurdle.

If you are really serious about that option (as I am) look for a course where the assessing authority don't, or are unlikely to impose any work experience requirements. things may change and it may still not work out, but at least you're reducing the risks.

Any occupation assessed by Vetassess will only be interested inthe paper qualification, but you can only get a max 50 points depending on the course.

5 extra points for studying and living in a regional area for the 2 years min.

It's risky full stop. But lots of people get through.............and lots don't. :-)

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My qualification will be woth 60 points though and at the moment radiographers are on the modl.

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My info was aimed at the original poster, but is equally applicable to all of us going down the student route.

Regards

Steve

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Hi Amanda, I'm sure i'm wrong but I thought I'd read somewhere you had to be under 25 or something like that to go thru this route, but am sure you know what's what!

This is looking very appealing as I'd sooner be studying in Oz than over here. I'm going to spend tonight doing a bit of research. I'd be happy to pay for my studies no prob, foundation course and all!!!

I wonder if this entitles my partner and kids citizenship ?? ......... no good if not ...lol

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Yeah thanks Steve, points noted :-)

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No age limit on becoming a student, although to apply for residency at the end you still need to be under 45.

Dependants can come with you on your student visa, and if you get PR at the end they will also be included (beware if they become 18 whilst you're there as if they are no longer dependants it can create a problem apparently)

I'm doing a Bachelor of Commerce with a major in Accounting (9 units minimum) to satisfy the relevant assessment authorities) Most Uni's do a CPAA/NIA/ICAA accredited units so you know you're doing the right stuff.

Study in a regional uni, 5 extra points if you do (must live in regional area too)

Course must be minimum of 2 years. Many uni's do summer semesters where you do 2 units over the summer break. This can reduce you course to 2,5 years.

Have you got close family ties in Australia?

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No, unfortunately no family in Oz. My kids are 12 & 14 now. I know, not ideal time for them to be upping and goin, but they are both cool with it all :)

I'm 35 now so that side of things will be ok I guess.

My only other worry now is that I left school at 15, I haven't a qualification to my name. I wonder if this matters at all ?!

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For my course the only requirements are to have English Language abilities. I only have an O Level in English.

It'll cost you a lot as you need to pay for the kids schooling too, as well as the course $36000 and rent etc. You and your partner will be able to apply to work 20 hrs pw max, with you being able to work full time during holidays.

you would have to nominate a 60 point occupation at the end. Id go for the extra 5 regional points if you can, and make sure that you think you can get the points you need at the end.

Remember points pass mark could rise, policy changes etc. It's a risk, but make it a calculated one not a leap in the dark

regards

Steve

PS. Want any more info feel free to PM me

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Sites to look at

http://cricos.detya.gov.au/ This is a database of courses available to overseas students

www.immi.gov.au DIMIA website

http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/Default.htm Study in Australia - Government site.

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Steve can you tell me if you know, for arguements sake, If I wanted to study to be a plumber (or another trade) which gives 60 points on the SOl list, will this work ??

I am a bit confused :(

Oh and the extra fee's for kids schooling is a bit of a shock, I guess you will have to pay for any medical expenses too ?!?

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Firstly, you get a student healthcare cover $700 pear year ish for all family.

You can go trades courses although plumbing, plastering, bricklaying etc don't appear available to internartional students. Check the CRICOS site

If you did say a Certificate III & IV in say horticulture it may work. BUT when you come to have your skills assessed by the TRA they may 1. Pass you 2. Fail you due to lack of work experience(if you don't get any during your course) 3. Make you do a trades test which you may pass or fail.

I chose my course because it should get 60 points, I will study in regional uni (5 points), my father lives in regional NSW so there 'should' be no points test for me anyway, but if something happens to him I'd still have a good chance of getting enough points. covering all areas as best as I can.

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Ok well the healthplan looks good, but I've had a look at the CRICOS site and not a lot seems anywhere near 'my kinda thing', well apart from maybe Computer Science.

Hmmmm, a brick wall ??

Oh and I only just see a few prev replies at the end of page1. Unfortunately my partner's job isn't on the SOL list :(

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Why not train to be a nurse, as they are always needed. I had thought of this as it is cheaper than radiography but it was not for me. Just a thought.

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helloo guys ,very intresting thread !
I was wondering does the certificate 4 in IT "one year long" is enough to satisfy TRA and get a positive assesment ? :)

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sorry i mean ACS :rolleyes:

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I have a friend here in Adelaide who came out on a student visa. She is nearly 30, has two youngish kids, works the 20hrs permitted, but her husband is allowed ot work full time and has been doing so ever since they arrived. She recently found out something else interesting. If you are here on a student visa, you can apply to the FIRB for permission to buy a home, which she was granted. Hope this is of help.

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Well as much as I know they're in demand, I'm in the same boat and know its basically not for me. I've had my fair share of dealings with Doctors & Nurses, admire them to bits, but at the end of the day know I couldn't do the job myself.

No matter how many times I scan thru the CRICOS site looking for something I think I could see myself doing for a living, I just can't see meself as a Horse & Husbandry Manager ?!

Podgypossum, thanks for that tip, I'm sure it will be handy to know for some People, but me thinks any savings I'll be taking south will be eaten up very fast by student fee's, AND schooling fee's for my children.

This brick wall seems to be getting taller :(

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I have a feeling that the partner/spouse of the international student can only work full time if you are on a post-grad course (masters phd etc)

double check, but certainly on the degree course my wife is only allowed 20 hrs pw throughout the course.

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doubtful, but you'd need to contact the ACS. Also you wouldn't get the 'recent work experience waiver' from DIMIA as your course isn't 2 years, and you need to get a diploma level or above qualification to be eligible for that unless you are doing a trades qual.

look on the DIMIA website www.immi.gov.au it's all there.