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dkk Feb 8th 2008 12:09 pm

A question for IT professionals
 
I've decided to move to OZ. I work in Ireland for an IT company as Senior .NET Developer. Once over there how difficult would it be to find an IT job without any OZ references(only with Irish references)? Thanks.

Oz-bound Feb 8th 2008 1:14 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5906965)
I've decided to move to OZ. I work in Ireland for an IT company as Senior .NET Developer. Once over there how difficult would it be to find an IT job without any OZ references(only with Irish references)? Thanks.

Where are you heading to? Lots of jobs in Sydney, in fact an employees market! I am an IT PM and got a job withing 2 weeks of arriving :)

Rosscarbery Feb 8th 2008 1:45 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
Your Irish references will be fine, and there is loads of work in Sydney at the moment, but they are very keen on who you know here (if you're from Dublin you'll probably find that quite familiar anyway!!!). OH - the one in IT - has taken a good, but not perfect, job thinking of it as his "starter job" to network and build up contacts.

bcworld Feb 8th 2008 2:03 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5906965)
I've decided to move to OZ. I work in Ireland for an IT company as Senior .NET Developer. Once over there how difficult would it be to find an IT job without any OZ references(only with Irish references)? Thanks.


Senior .Net Developer? You will probably be able to pick and choose between jobs no matter which city you are going to. You will have no worries at all.

Urno Feb 8th 2008 2:49 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5906965)
I've decided to move to OZ. I work in Ireland for an IT company as Senior .NET Developer. Once over there how difficult would it be to find an IT job without any OZ references(only with Irish references)? Thanks.

I've managed to get two jobs in the five months i've been here and neither of them gave two hoots where my experience was gained!

hoofie2002 Feb 8th 2008 5:23 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5906965)
I've decided to move to OZ. I work in Ireland for an IT company as Senior .NET Developer. Once over there how difficult would it be to find an IT job without any OZ references(only with Irish references)? Thanks.

There is bit of 'You need to get runs on the board here first' so you may not get quite the exact job you want to start with .

Having said that if you got a good few years of experience under your belt finding a job will be rather easy I suspect [as long as you are working in a big city of course].

gillysm Feb 8th 2008 6:37 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
According to my OH you'll have no problem on the east coast (don't know about the rest). He also said you'd be desperately needed in Auckland!

cool_archie Feb 8th 2008 7:33 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
Hello,

Are the plenty of System/Network Admin jobs in AUS?
Sorry for posting in this thread, just didn't want to start a new one.

Regards,

BadgeIsBack Feb 8th 2008 9:11 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
I'm a c# developer and the market seems strong. We look for good skills, OO, good knowledge of the framework in the enterprise, not fly-by-night ASP.NET bods if that makes sense.


Originally Posted by hoofie2002 (Post 5907451)
There is bit of 'You need to get runs on the board here first' so you may not get quite the exact job you want to start with .

This might not be the case in terms of getting a job, but I'd be fairly modest as an unknown entity at interview and when starting like Hoofie says.

Good comms skills might get you there too as many of our irecent interviewees have language issues.

bigAPE Feb 8th 2008 9:27 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
As long as you have demonstrable experience and good references you'll have no problems. I have been to a few MS events in Australia and it's been ripe with new and established companies looking for talent.

dkk Feb 9th 2008 12:59 am

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
I wish to thank everyone for their replies, they are much appreciated.

I've been thinking of moving to Melbourne, or any place by the sea where there's more Sun and less rain than in Ireland. :)
Looking for a place with best balance of jobs opportunities and quality of living. Open to all suggestions.


Originally Posted by bigAPE (Post 5907887)
As long as you have demonstrable experience and good references you'll have no problems. I have been to a few MS events in Australia and it's been ripe with new and established companies looking for talent.

Is the MCPD: Enterprise Applications Developer cert helpful when it comes to job search over there.(With good few years of development experience, of course)


Originally Posted by gillysm (Post 5907553)
According to my OH you'll have no problem on the east coast (don't know about the rest). He also said you'd be desperately needed in Auckland!

Do you think I would have better chances in Auckland than in OZ?

Thanks.

isgraham Feb 9th 2008 12:18 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5906965)
I've decided to move to OZ. I work in Ireland for an IT company as Senior .NET Developer. Once over there how difficult would it be to find an IT job without any OZ references(only with Irish references)? Thanks.

I'm also a senior .NET developer and I have found that if you are not looking for a job in the banking sector you don't need to worry too much about refrences. If however you want a job in banking then they do seem to like reference & criminal record checks. It doesn't matter that your references are in Ireland as long as the reference check agency can contact your referees. For the record I took a starter job when I got here 2 years ago and after 9 months moved to Macquarie and dobled my salary. I've since moved again for more money so I would agree that it's an employees market at the moment.

deryans Feb 9th 2008 12:36 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
Hey dkk,

I'm orig from Kerry (tralee.... boy..:eek: ), London for about 12 years, Developer and Lead BA/Tech in Investment Banking in London, came to Oz in 2001 (previously on a 457 in 96/97) , finally settled in SYD anyway blah blah blah......

Am a career contractor, so pm me if you want any advice or if you wish , ask the questions openly and I'm happy to share.

You should have no problem with .net experience, as isgraham says references will be checked (usually a phone call) , often though you wonder about the number of "cod-ologists" or BS artists in the current market, we're having huge trouble trying to find the right kind of people (contract) for a aviation related project (need strong BA with numerative/aviation.) partly because the agencies are woeful.


It is an employees market at the moment, and don't you dare "discount" your rate or salary, just because you want to clinch the deal, make your offer based on Euros convert it straight and ignore all those cost of living is cheaper clap trap, it's not, if anything Sydney is more expensive.

One thing I'll say up front, try and work directly for a client (unless you have previous solo experience) to get settled, then go contracting!!

Buzzy--Bee Feb 9th 2008 7:37 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5908416)
Do you think I would have better chances in Auckland than in OZ?

Thanks.


Not sure about chances, but salaries in New Zealand are about half those in Melbourne.

Buzzy

dkk Feb 10th 2008 1:47 am

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee (Post 5911210)
Not sure about chances, but salaries in New Zealand are about half those in Melbourne.

Buzzy

I saw quite a few senior .net Auckland opportunities for around $100K. Are those really a half what you can get in Melbourne?

bcworld Feb 10th 2008 9:42 am

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5912263)
I saw quite a few senior .net Auckland opportunities for around $100K. Are those really a half what you can get in Melbourne?

No they're not....I think half is somewhat of an exaggeration.

deryans Feb 10th 2008 11:30 am

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
ah ...The eternal question of rates......... :zzz:

http://www.brainbox.com.au/brainbox/...mmary!OpenForm

and

www.contractoruk.com for european/moving to OZ advice Look at the overseas guides

Geelong Gent Feb 10th 2008 9:33 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5912263)
I saw quite a few senior .net Auckland opportunities for around $100K. Are those really a half what you can get in Melbourne?

We have guys on $180 per hour doing website architecture.

live2learn May 4th 2008 5:44 am

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
Thats wonderful about the pay in Melbourne! :)

I am an ASP.Net web developer, graduate in Computer Science. And in a process of getting my MCTS Certification in Asp.Net Technology.

Planning to go to Melbourne with no contacts, no references in Melbourne and of course no Australian experience (as it is just my first time going to Australia).

Do you think I stand any good chance with the qualifications and education that I have?

:confused:

Dazster May 4th 2008 7:56 am

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
On the subject of IT jobs; I am a senior developer with some 9+ years experience of mostly embedded C - but the last couple of years I have performed a significant amount of Java development in all tiers of multi-tier host applications. I'd like to continue with the Java, but obviously I want the best starting wage possible when I emigrate this August. Which offers the better money, and which has more chance of finding employment quickly - Java or embedded C? I'd appreciate everyones thoughts and opinions.

Regards,
Dazster

IvanM May 5th 2008 9:42 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by cool_archie (Post 5907631)
Hello,

Are the plenty of System/Network Admin jobs in AUS?
Sorry for posting in this thread, just didn't want to start a new one.

Regards,

In Syd, Bris and Melbourne there are plenty at the moment. Pay depends on experience and industry. Perth isn't doing too bad either.

live2learn May 6th 2008 3:29 am

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
Dear IvanM,

Could you please reply to my post I posted earlier.

I would really appreciate! I am really planning to move to Sydney once I get my PR. I wrote more details in my previous post.

Thanks!

:)

Originally Posted by IvanM (Post 6312737)
In Syd, Bris and Melbourne there are plenty at the moment. Pay depends on experience and industry. Perth isn't doing too bad either.


IvanM May 6th 2008 8:32 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by live2learn (Post 6314336)
Dear IvanM,

Could you please reply to my post I posted earlier.

I would really appreciate! I am really planning to move to Sydney once I get my PR. I wrote more details in my previous post.

Thanks!

:)

I am more of a sysadmin/engineer type and the company I work for does not employ .NET programmers as it uses SAP and Lotus Notes. From what I understand the market is good but cannot say much more than that.

If you communicate well, have good experience in the UK and references you will not have a problem getting a job. Local references help but you can build those up with contracting.

Good luck.

hoofie2002 May 6th 2008 9:32 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by Dazster (Post 6307187)
On the subject of IT jobs; I am a senior developer with some 9+ years experience of mostly embedded C - but the last couple of years I have performed a significant amount of Java development in all tiers of multi-tier host applications. I'd like to continue with the Java, but obviously I want the best starting wage possible when I emigrate this August. Which offers the better money, and which has more chance of finding employment quickly - Java or embedded C? I'd appreciate everyones thoughts and opinions.

Regards,
Dazster

I think the vast majority of the embedded C work now goes on in defence etc sectors - you will need a security clearance so forget it if you are not a citizen yet. Also if you are a national of certain countries you cannot get a clearance fullstop.

Plenty of java work although C# seems to be getting the upper hand now in the enterprise now.

My previous comments apply - you may need to 'step down' the ladder for 6 months or so, but after that it's full steam ahead.

p.s. Wait until you are here THEN apply for jobs - most agencies or employers won't want to know until you are in-country.

hoofie2002 May 6th 2008 9:36 pm

Re: A question for IT professionals
 

Originally Posted by dkk (Post 5908416)
I wish to thank everyone for their replies, they are much appreciated.

I've been thinking of moving to Melbourne, or any place by the sea where there's more Sun and less rain than in Ireland. :)
Looking for a place with best balance of jobs opportunities and quality of living. Open to all suggestions.



Is the MCPD: Enterprise Applications Developer cert helpful when it comes to job search over there.(With good few years of development experience, of course)



Do you think I would have better chances in Auckland than in OZ?

Thanks.

Surely there is MUCH more work available in Oz [multiple locations to start with], the money is better and so is the weather !

One word of warning - the agencies here are 100% muppets. Try and get a direct job if possible. As for the certificate, I don't know - I personally think they mean nothing, it's experience that counts, but it will not do any harm.

Honestly, don't worry about it. If you can prove your experience and skill-set, you will be laughing.

Lilywhite May 7th 2008 12:24 am

Re: A question for IT professionals
 
Hi, I moved to Australia last year and work in IT. I started applying for jobs in Sydney before I came over and had telephone interviews with two companies whilst still in UK. The companies arranged interviews for me a couple of days after I arrived and I was offered both jobs after only being in the country for a few days ... then I had to start work that week!

I work for one of the large Australian banks and they did my reference checks after I started work.

The important thing is to have a good CV, be well prepared for your interviews and sell yourself and your experience.

Best of luck :)


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