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Mr Grumpy Oct 1st 2008 1:33 am

The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 
http://britishexpats.com/articles/au.../better-in-oz/

I am not sure where the figures for all of these public holidays came from, but you most certainly are not entitled to 21 working days of Govt mandated public holidays per annum in Tasmania. Nor 16 in NT. You are not even entitled to 11 in NSW - It is in fact 9.

In NSW you legally are entitled to the following:

01/01 - New Year's Day
26/01 - Australia Day
Easter Period - Good Friday, Easter Monday
25/04 - ANZAC Day
June - Queen's Birthday
October - Labour Day
25/12 - Christmas Day
26/12 - Boxing Day

There is a 10th public holiday *BUT* only for Financial Sector workers and that is the first monday in August and thats the NSW Bank Holiday.

Easter Saturday is only a public holiday for those who are permanently rostered to work Saturdays.

So you could only get 11 public holidays if:

1.You were a financial sector worker
2.You were permanently rostered to work saturdays

And as for 21 in Tasmania?? Thats just complete rubbish! There are only 10 legal entitlements at state level. The other holidays are regional/local or depend upon what legislative award you work under. Often you have no legal entitlement and it is at the discretion of the employer:

http://www.wst.tas.gov.au/__data/ass...74098/2008.pdf

bcworld Oct 1st 2008 1:45 am

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In Qld next year we will get 9 public holidays as Anzac day falls on a Saturday and is not replaced with a weekday holiday.

I also like:

"Fortunately for Aussies, cheap groceries and petrol are an everyday delight."

:rofl:

Some good maths too:

1.49 - 1.42 = 0.06

3.02 - 2.65 = 1.37

Who wrote this crap!!??

Pollyana Oct 1st 2008 3:09 am

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Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 6834690)

Who wrote this crap!!??

"written by Visa Bureau" ....................










now they wouldn't have a vested interest in making the place look good, would they...

stepbeanie Oct 1st 2008 3:16 am

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There also used to be Hairdressers picnic day which was around Melbourne cup day, if not Melbourne cup day itself. That was a holiday for hairdressers (see it's not only financial folk who make special days for themselves :rofl:)

Mr Grumpy Oct 1st 2008 3:20 am

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God that sucks, though I do expect that from QLD. That state doesnt have good work/life balance. I work for a Uni in NSW we have a 35hr work week, 15-20 sick days per year(depending on length of service) and for my Uni and several others we get the 3 working days between boxing day and new years day as free extra leave.

At most Unis in QLD you work 36.25-38 hrs per week, get 10 sick days a year and rarely do you get free leave at xmas. If there is an xmas shutdown they force you to take annual leave or leave without pay.

Pollyana Oct 1st 2008 3:40 am

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy (Post 6834804)
God that sucks, though I do expect that from QLD. That state doesnt have good work/life balance. I work for a Uni in NSW we have a 35hr work week, 15-20 sick days per year(depending on length of service) and for my Uni and several others we get the 3 working days between boxing day and new years day as free extra leave.

At most Unis in QLD you work 36.25-38 hrs per week, get 10 sick days a year and rarely do you get free leave at xmas. If there is an xmas shutdown they force you to take annual leave or leave without pay.

Same in the govt here. They close the offices between Christmas and New Year and you have to use your holiday on it.

NJJ Oct 1st 2008 4:09 am

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Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy (Post 6834678)

LOL @ "In the UK, along with the standard annual leave provided by employers, workers are given eight annual public holidays from the government. In Australia, be prepared to put your feet up for longer. Most workplaces give the same leave entitlements as UK companies, but the Australian government has been slightly more generous. :lol:

If I was still at my last job in England I had 25 days paid leave per annum, incremental to 30 depending on length of service. I worked 6am-2pm with 30min lunch. In 2009 I would have 8 bank/public holidays.

In Victoria I have 20 days paid leave per annum, no increment. I work 7am-4pm 1 hour lunch. In 2009 I am entitled to 10 public holidays.

I agree with pollyana, blatant propaganda.

tictac Oct 1st 2008 8:21 am

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy (Post 6834804)
God that sucks, though I do expect that from QLD. That state doesnt have good work/life balance.
At most Unis in QLD you work 36.25-38 hrs per week, get 10 sick days a year and rarely do you get free leave at xmas. If there is an xmas shutdown they force you to take annual leave or leave without pay.

Same applies @ my firm (Top 3 IT Services Co.)

It sucks big time and is one of my primary reasons for planning to return to the UK once/if citizenship is granted.

20 days annual leave of which 12 must be taken during the Xmas shutdown. Not much use to me if OH has to work during this period (QHealth)

So much for family holidays :sad_smile:

Queensland - The Dictatorship State

goldchoccycoin Oct 1st 2008 10:30 am

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Actually, I've just been told (QLD Gov job) that I get Xmas Day, Boxing Day as public holiday, 29th and 30th as 'extra' holiday on top of my usual allowance, NYE, NY Day as public holiday and the Friday I have to take as holiday/time in lieu.

I thought that was great! 1 day's holiday for 7 days off!

DownUnderPaddy Oct 1st 2008 10:31 am

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 6834788)
"written by Visa Bureau" ....................

now they wouldn't have a vested interest in making the place look good, would they...

Agreed. I thought this was a HILARIOUSLY rose tinted version :rofl:

I pity the poor suckers who actually believe what was written in that article and base their move on it though.

Mr Grumpy Oct 1st 2008 10:44 am

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Originally Posted by tking (Post 6835339)
Actually, I've just been told (QLD Gov job) that I get Xmas Day, Boxing Day as public holiday, 29th and 30th as 'extra' holiday on top of my usual allowance, NYE, NY Day as public holiday and the Friday I have to take as holiday/time in lieu.

I thought that was great! 1 day's holiday for 7 days off!

Yeah I have the same deal - 29th,30th and 31st is 'xmas bonus leave'

And of course the public holidays 25th,26th and 1st. The same with me for friday the 2nd, I dont have to take it off but if I do it is out of my annual leave which is fair enough.

So I am having 11 days off in a row including weekends with just 1 day of annual leave used up.

However I expect this as I work for a Uni:thumbsup:

There would be no point working for a Uni without some benefits:D


Just on your deal, I would say NYE - 31st is 'extra leave' too as no state or territory has NYE as a proclaimed public holiday.

Sue Oct 1st 2008 12:52 pm

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Originally Posted by DownUnderPaddy (Post 6835340)
I pity the poor suckers who actually believe what was written in that article and base their move on it though.

So why not write one yourself? We are always looking for members to write about their new lives abroad. If you want to share how it's been for you that would be great. There are many articles in the article section written by other BE members. After all you can't beat reading about peoples first-hand experiences, its a great way to get a "feel" for things.

Pollyana Oct 1st 2008 1:02 pm

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Originally Posted by DownUnderPaddy (Post 6835340)
Agreed. I thought this was a HILARIOUSLY rose tinted version :rofl:

I pity the poor suckers who actually believe what was written in that article and base their move on it though.

People will though, same as they believe all the hype on programmes like Wanted Down Under, and think they are coming to a crime free paradise, with sunshine all year round.

Oliveoil Oct 1st 2008 1:26 pm

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Those Down Under programmes make my teeth itch

"oooh lets show you this fab house - way out of your budget but we will show it you anyway"

"and hark, look at the beach! it will be too hot to go on it between 9am and 4pm, but we will show it you anyway"

and most of them come home :D

bcworld Oct 1st 2008 10:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Sue (Post 6835657)
So why not write one yourself? We are always looking for members to write about their new lives abroad. If you want to share how it's been for you that would be great. There are many articles in the article section written by other BE members. After all you can't beat reading about peoples first-hand experiences, its a great way to get a "feel" for things.

What would be better Sue is if the article pages allowed members to add comments, to which of course the author could also respond.

manc1 Oct 1st 2008 11:15 pm

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Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 6837240)
What would be better Sue is if the article pages allowed members to add comments, to which of course the author could also respond.


I like this idea.

Evelin Oct 1st 2008 11:32 pm

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy (Post 6834804)
God that sucks, though I do expect that from QLD. That state doesnt have good work/life balance. I work for a Uni in NSW we have a 35hr work week, 15-20 sick days per year(depending on length of service) and for my Uni and several others we get the 3 working days between boxing day and new years day as free extra leave.

At most Unis in QLD you work 36.25-38 hrs per week, get 10 sick days a year and rarely do you get free leave at xmas. If there is an xmas shutdown they force you to take annual leave or leave without pay.

At the time when I left my home country, standard annual leave was (and still is) 6 weeks, standard working hours were 37. Standard paid sick leave per year 6 weeks. When I compare OZ with 4 weeks hols und standard 40hrs work per week, I have to work 278 hrs more per year!

DownUnderPaddy Oct 1st 2008 11:50 pm

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 6837240)
What would be better Sue is if the article pages allowed members to add comments, to which of course the author could also respond.

Agreed. Very good idea indeed.
There are plenty of accounts written in the forums of people experiences already for people to browse through and get a balanced viewpoint.

The Visa Bureau article on the front page however, appears to be distinctly one sided, and not a balanced view.

Allowing direct feedback comments to the article would help to counterbalance that and if that prevents even one couple from being led merrily down the garden path, that would surely be a good thing ?

Cheetah7 Oct 2nd 2008 12:00 am

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 
I get 4 weeks plus public holidays and Im not expected to take annual leave at Christmas/Easter etc.

If I work a Sunday I get Lieu time which is great when I need time off.

I am expected to come in at the weekend if we have a contract going on but its swings and roundabouts as I will get 3 days off when I move house in a few weeks.

How many public holidays does WA have - anyone know?:confused:

DownUnderPaddy Oct 2nd 2008 12:33 am

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Originally Posted by Professional Princess (Post 6837382)
I get 4 weeks plus public holidays and Im not expected to take annual leave at Christmas/Easter etc.

If I work a Sunday I get Lieu time which is great when I need time off.

I am expected to come in at the weekend if we have a contract going on but its swings and roundabouts as I will get 3 days off when I move house in a few weeks.

How many public holidays does WA have - anyone know?:confused:

Ten
It is correct in the posted article.
http://britishexpats.com/articles/au.../better-in-oz/

Listed in detail from 2007 to 2010 on the Gov site here...
http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/LabourRel...days/index.htm

Possums Oct 2nd 2008 1:05 am

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 6834788)
"written by Visa Bureau" ....................
now they wouldn't have a vested interest in making the place look good, would they...

but why has it been published on BE when its a crock of shite?

Pollyana Oct 2nd 2008 1:36 am

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Originally Posted by Possums (Post 6837471)
but why has it been published on BE when its a crock of shite?

Its not BE's responsibility to check the validity of people's opinions when they write articles. I wrote one myself ages ago; they aren't censored before they are hosted. As Sue has said, people need to write the opposing opinion.
There may be ones hosted about other countries that are equally misleading - not having lived in any of them I can't say.....Apparently though the NZ one is just a "fairytale".

I will mention the suggestions about comments to the Powers that run the place....

bcworld Oct 2nd 2008 1:45 am

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 6837521)
Its not BE's responsibility to check the validity of people's opinions when they write articles. I wrote one myself ages ago; they aren't censored before they are hosted. As Sue has said, people need to write the opposing opinion.

There's a big difference though between presenting your opinions, and listing as fact a whole lot of data which is simply incorrect, and strangely in every case where it is incorrect lends support to the overall 'opinion' being conveyed by the piece.

Clearly BE is not responsible for checking the validity of facts for all posts in every forum, I'm just curious as to why such a poorly researched and presented (or deliberately misleading, one of the two) article has been elevated to be the first thing people see when they visit the homepage of this site.

I fully understand this is not for you to moderate, and this is not a dig at you. :)

moneypenny20 Oct 2nd 2008 1:54 am

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 6837537)
Clearly BE is not responsible for checking the validity of facts for all posts in every forum, I'm just curious as to why such a poorly researched and presented (or deliberately misleading, one of the two) article has been elevated to be the first thing people see when they visit the homepage of this site.

I fully understand this is not for you to moderate, and this is not a dig at you. :)

It hasn't been elevated to the first thing. It's simply the last one that has been posted and as such is at the top. As other articles are written and published, it will move down possibly never to be seen again.

Obviously it was done as a marketing ploy to get people to use the visa bureau, but I should imagine it will lose them more customers because it's nonsense.

Edit: they do have an envelope next to the title so people can email them should they so wish.

Pollyana Oct 2nd 2008 2:17 am

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by moneypen20 (Post 6837549)
It hasn't been elevated to the first thing. It's simply the last one that has been posted and as such is at the top. As other articles are written and published, it will move down possibly never to be seen again.

Obviously it was done as a marketing ploy to get people to use the visa bureau, but I should imagine it will lose them more customers because it's nonsense.

Edit: they do have an envelope next to the title so people can email them should they so wish.

Thats right, and the best way to get it OFF the front page is for someone to do an article thats accurate. The most recent is always on the front, as I know from experience :D


Originally Posted by bcworld
I fully understand this is not for you to moderate, and this is not a dig at you. :)

No probs :)

TillyG Oct 2nd 2008 2:53 am

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I'm still miffed that we (in NSW at least) aren't getting a "proper" day off for Anzac Day next year because it falls on a Saturday. That just sucks.

bcworld Oct 2nd 2008 2:56 am

Re: The Public Holiday numbers are very wrong
 

Originally Posted by TillyG (Post 6837628)
I'm still miffed that we (in NSW at least) aren't getting a "proper" day off for Anzac Day next year because it falls on a Saturday. That just sucks.

I'm 99% certain its the same in Qld. It really varies from state to state though. Some provide an alternative if Anzac day falls on a Saturday or Sunday, some only if it falls on a Sunday and others not at all. Perhaps individual companies will decide for themselves on a national basis??

In fact:

WA, ACT - always substitute
Vic, Tas - Never substitute
NSW,SA,Qld,NT - substitute only for Sunday ANZAC days

...apparently.

AND, in further trivia....in 2011 Easter Monday falls on ANZAC day! There is no additional holiday granted.

DownUnderPaddy Oct 2nd 2008 2:58 am

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Originally Posted by moneypen20 (Post 6837549)
Obviously it was done as a marketing ploy to get people to use the visa bureau, but I should imagine it will lose them more customers because it's nonsense.

Edit: they do have an envelope next to the title so people can email them should they so wish.

That envelope just pops up the "email to a friend" box.

What you want to do is contact Andy Harwood directly and tell him what you think of his pretty misleading article....
http://www.themara.com.au/online/ARS...1&ISearchFor2=

Power of the people !!!!!! yahhhhhoooo :thumbup:


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