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Do you mind not being rude please? Disagree with their opinion by all means, but there is no need to belittle their opinion by calling it stupid.:sneaky:

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Most of the comments i have seen about the protests are aimed at and these are not my words but I quote "gooks and curry munchers". So maybe people are being given the impression that 457 visas are going to be given on masse to people from Asia??

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:eek::blink:

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I don't care if you are quoting or not, that language isn't appropriate on here. Please don't repeat it. :sneaky:

I have heard that argument so many times in the UK it's not even funny. Person X can't get a job & so it's the fault of the immigrants. You're complaining that: Yet the people who make those kinds of arguments usually are racist. You've shown no evidence for your assertions. Would you care to back up your claims? Oh, and please avoid using racist language when/if you do so. I've edited it from the quote in my post, in case you're wondering which bit I'm referring to. :sneaky:

I agree with Tramps_mate. You've provided no evidence & you just sound incredibly bitter because someone else got the job & you didn't.

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Took me 0.0005 sec and this is a random selection of the 457 Visa system being used to "Exploit and Underpay" those involved;

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/employers-...725-1hx98.html

I have personal experience at it,and no, as being a tad more intelligent won't fall for the libel trap.Will freely provide examples.,etc offline..
So I am a racist?????Where was my language Racist??
Based on what evidence?
That's a big call:rofl::rofl:
Re-Read my post,:thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Since you're having difficulty with comprehension, I've highlighted the section of my post which indicates where you were using inappropriate terms. I've even highlighted it in red to make it easier for you. ;)

As for your "evidence", a link that is over a year old complaining that 457 employers have avoided sanctions hardly cuts it. I take it you haven't noticed whilst you're having your rage fit about "DEY TERK OOR JERBS!", that (as mentioned above) employers have recently been taken to court and fined for underpaying workers.

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Haha! Not seen that one for years!

Dey terk er jeerbs!!!

Derk a der!!! :)

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:D

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OK,:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Understanding comprehension is out of grasp to a few people with agendas:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Facts are facts.
Why the need to belittle people that are stating facts and opinion is beyond me.
Its OK,know where you are coming from,
Trying to have a sensible debate,but,,,,

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Stating "fact" after something doesn't automatically make it so. I think your agenda is fairly clear. I don't see how you think you are going to have a sensible debate when your point comes down to "I'm bitter because another person got the job I wanted. I know, it's because of cheaper immigrants. It can't be me at all."

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Might try something other than selective quotes and answer all my questions instead of ranting on a few lines of my post:rofl::rofl::rofl:
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Try and be non-subjective sometimes:thumbup:

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"Kettle, this is Pot. You're black!"

You have based your entire argument on your experience of failing to get a job & your unsubstantiated theory as to why that occurred. The fact that that is extremely subjective seems to have flown right over your head. :rolleyes:

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AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhh,
OK,I will make this even easy,simple,understanding etc for you.
Re-read my post and comprehend my statement/comment/Point of view etc.
I have used an example to substantiate my view,but you have decided to use selective nit-picking,which I find :rofl:.
Hey:D:eek: You keep retorting and dig a bigger hole in which to extricate yourself:thumbup:,be my guest:lol::lol:

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OK Truce mrsgreenstar76???
I won't comment any further if you don't.:thumbup:

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You have not provided anything but your own warped view. Feel free to add as many rofl smilies as you like, but it will not affect the utterly unproven argument you attempted to make.

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Feel free to stop responding if you like. It makes not one iota of difference to me either way.

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:yield:i think winter footwear was looking for :yield: this smilie
:)

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:D:thumbup:

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:huh:
:)
;)
:D
:nod:
:starsmile:
So Cliche in "Read between the lines"
I like smilies;:o:thumbsup::frown::ohmy:

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So I gathered. As long as you enjoy them, that's what matters.

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SOOooooo,
Mrsgreenstar76 how about a coffee and chat @ a Cafe to settle our differences?

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Whilst I don't doubt that conversation in person with you is as enthralling as your online chat, I will have to decline. If you wish to end the discussion though, that is not a problem.

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Mmmmmmm,yeah.
Hey at least we tried!!!
Maybe next thread:starsmile:

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I think there is some hypocrisy on this thread with some saying you can quote and some saying you can't and yet quoting themselves.

I am extremely disillusioned with some aspects of BE posters statements on here, not sure if they are moderators or not but their sheer arrogance is staining what was once a good board. Let people vent, then try and assist them, not shout them down or be arrogant just because YOU think you know best.

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If you have a problem with a post, feel free to report it. :thumbup:

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But that's just it....I think posts SHOULD have a degree of openness and latitude. Sometimes a word or phrase which is possibly not acceptable in SOME peoples repertoire is needed on here to provide an example of what the poster is trying to explain, especially if they are quoting a reported remark and even more especially if it is from the media.
I agree with not being rude, but then an ASSUMPTION of rudeness based on misunderstanding or not reading their words makes things worse.
Shouting them down does not help, in fact it is quite possible the most unhelpful thing you can do.

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I'm not exactly sure what this argument is about but it would be good if it could get back on track as to whether the 457 system is being abused by empoyers.

The offensive phrase in one of the early posts ""gooks and curry munchers" is NOT to be used on BE - it causes offence, and is totally unnecessary. Beyond that, disagree with each other by all means, just do it politely and within the rules :)

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This is a genuine question and comment.
Now when I first came over here I always thought the term Paki was racist and even stated so on here. But, reading it on the back pages of Newspapers here (usually aroind the cricket season!!), hearing it on the radio and TV and the retorts I got on here from other ex pats was that IN AUSTRALIA its use is as an abbreviation of Pakistani, understandable I suppose.
So, where in Australia is it offensive to say Paki as a racist or inappropriate comment? Bear in mind I am saying IN AUSTRALIA, that's where we all live now isn't it? Isn't POM an abbreviation as well? Isn't Yank a term we all use yet some Americans find offensive?
The reason I am bringing this up is because to call someone racist or to 'warn' them of racial or offensive or inappropriate terms you have to ensure that in their environment it IS classed as such.
Oh, as a caveat I don't use the term but that's through years of knowing it as offensive in the UK because of its aggressive intonement but when Ozzies use it (oh hold on, is that offensive to some Australians because it is a poor abbreviation??) I no longer look on aghast.
WHO defines it as inappropriate and is this subjective or from a list of recognised 'non use' terms.
I know that sometimes I can be somewhat mischievous and throw a remark or comment in for effect, but this is a genuine comment.
Oh, for the OP I think the anti 457 stuff is merely scaremongering by some people who should know better and playing to the ignorant minority. Some people are fearful for their jobs and so are reacting to a few choice words by ill advised politicians and local union guys.

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Becoming immune to a word through hearing it repeatedly doesn't mean that the word becomes acceptable. I know plenty of Australians that wouldn't use the term. If people are describing Pakistanis, why not use the whole word? There are plenty of times where the word isn't being used in the traditional sense, as it's become a catch all derogatory word for asian. I personally don't use the term "Y**k" as I do have a lot of American friends & it's something that they find offensive. I wouldn't be offended if someone called me a pom, but I know that there are others that would be.

Now, as Pollyana has requested, let's stay on topic.

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But this is part of the topic surely???
IMO the topic is based upon peoples perception of reasoning behind a 457 and its 'possible' impact in WA due to Gina Rineharts deal with the Federal government. The 'white australia' aspect of it is down to the language used and how a word, a statement or a an implied phrase can change the whole meaning of someones words.
During the course of this topic you decided to berate someone for using Paki and my question, a genuine question, is WHERE is this down as being racist or inappropiate when it IS commonly used in public media in Australia?

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I think the other terms were berated (snipped from quote) and the term paki (don't like the term) was totally ignored so not sure of the reasoning except as you say that the term is more acceptable in Australia

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I've already answered your question. It isn't really on topic. You might be happy enough to use the word, but where would you draw the line? Is it only when you are offended? Do you not consider the effect of your words upon others before you use them, or is that unimportant because you don't find it offensive?

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Well, now you have totally qualified my earlier post.

I stated that I do NOT use the term due to my upbringing in UK. So you DO NOT read peoples posts before you start giving them grief. Just what is the point of you contributing to these forums if all your posts are berating others wrongly and then being defensive when taken to task for it?

My genuine question has not been answered, WHO decides what IS or IS NOT appropriate?? I appreciate it is not easy, but I would always caution against taking others to task for something which can be very subjective.

You are so single minded and so self believing that what YOU say is correct that you give no consideration to others, you offer no help, you have nothing positive to give to people asking for help. I said it before and I say it again, why on earth do you do it? Whats wrong with you?

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I did read your post actually, and you're one to talk with jumping into threads with a purely aggressive attitude & a determination to be right - without even considering that you might not be.

As for who decides what is offensive, any individual can decide something is offensive. In BEs case, there are site rules (which I'm seriously doubting you've bothered to read) which dictate what can & cannot be posted.

You can knock off the personal attacks too. That is certainly against BE posting rules.

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If you feel you have a grievance with moderation on these forums then I suggest you take it up privately rather than make a personal attack on the forum. (Incidentally, a breach of two site rules)

As to your question, WE decide what is appropriate and what is not, based on the site rules which I suggest you take a moment to read :);)

Moderators have opinions too, you know!

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Right, both of you have made a grave error in assuming that I did NOT read the site rules, I specifically DID read them before answering them because, AS I KEEP ASKING they are not confined enough to provide guidance.

I will accept the personal attack but that was based on the sheer frustration at mrsgreenstar76's continual negative assumptions of others. By all means Mitzyboy stand up for a fellow moderator but when you do so ensure that you are doing so out of fairness and not misguided loyalty. I am not the only one who has noticed mrsgreenstar76's attitude on this post and others and have had private messages to that effect.
Look closely, read closely and DO NOT make incorrect assumptions about me because now YOU TWO are making a personal attack on my intelligence. You can give but not take......now thats not very Moderator of you is it? Oh, and the 'WE will decide' is an absolute cop out. We all think different and act different but if we do not know how YOU treat life then how can WE act on your lack of guidance?

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Wrong and yet another incorrect assumption!! Good grief....you can't stop yourself can you!!

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I think this thread is losing the plot again - I was interested in following a debate about protests against the 457 visa, but it has now come down to what is and isn't allowed to be said.

We all know terms that are likely to cause offence. We also at times use terms we don't consider offensive but someone else might. If we take time to consider what we say before we say it, it would be better for all. If in doubt - don't say it.

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I agree...I apologise to those on this thread who have genuinely tried to contribute and assist the OP. I should not have let my frustrations with one poster drag this thread down, I am sorry to all.

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Apology accepted by me :)