Political Coup in Australia...
Jun 23rd 2010, 1:42 pm
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I begrudge the fact that 0.001% of my brain is occupied wiht knowing what a frigging echidna is, let alone using another 0.001% to remember what the stupid flower is that I assume it (a) eats, (b) uses to attract a mate or (c) aboriginal land rights 1967
Jun 25th 2010, 12:20 pm
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I'm a new arrival so just learning who stands for what in politics here, but what little I've learned agrees with much of what you've said. For the record my 
was for the prior comment that resources prevented the worst of the GFC hitting Australia, rather than any particular competence on the part of the govt.
was for the prior comment that resources prevented the worst of the GFC hitting Australia, rather than any particular competence on the part of the govt.Last edited by fish.01; Jun 25th 2010 at 12:26 pm.
Jun 25th 2010, 12:26 pm
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Jun 26th 2010, 4:10 am
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Labor heavyweights have just as much right to change the parties leader as the conservative heavyweights do and have done. A party decides who their best leader as has been demonstrated by the rapid change from Nelson to Turnbull to Abbott. This is especially true just before an election. It is how the system works.
The Kevin07 campaign was, in effect, a campaign to elect Kevin Rudd.
Technically and legally though you are correct, in that they can do what they like. It is just that too many normal people thought they had elected Kevin07.
Jun 26th 2010, 4:44 am
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a) $900 or so being thrown around at people (more than once), in a completely untargeted fashion
b) the bungled home insulation scheme which has killed people and still causing house fires, even though the danger was fully known by the government. Only after much pressure to be scrapped, to have much more money wastefully spent to inspect insulation done under the scheme, and a promise for an insulation scheme to return which has now been scrapped.
c) the bungled school building program, forcing schools to have buildings that they may not even want or need (including private schools) - and when buildings are needed, reports of schools being unable to employ local companies to build according to plans drawn up by the school at a cheaper cost but meeting requirements, because they are forced to accept less at a greater cost which in some cases don't meet fire regulations.
So the stimulus saviour has largely been down to wasting money, and now requiring a super profit mining tax to part-mend that debt that didn't need to be the size it is.b) the bungled home insulation scheme which has killed people and still causing house fires, even though the danger was fully known by the government. Only after much pressure to be scrapped, to have much more money wastefully spent to inspect insulation done under the scheme, and a promise for an insulation scheme to return which has now been scrapped.
c) the bungled school building program, forcing schools to have buildings that they may not even want or need (including private schools) - and when buildings are needed, reports of schools being unable to employ local companies to build according to plans drawn up by the school at a cheaper cost but meeting requirements, because they are forced to accept less at a greater cost which in some cases don't meet fire regulations.
Labor heavyweights have just as much right to change the parties leader as the conservative heavyweights do and have done. A party decides who their best leader as has been demonstrated by the rapid change from Nelson to Turnbull to Abbott. This is especially true just before an election. It is how the system works.
Jun 26th 2010, 6:54 am
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Penny Wong for PM!
Asian. Lesbian. Woman. Why not break all the minority boundaries at once?
Asian. Lesbian. Woman. Why not break all the minority boundaries at once?
Jun 26th 2010, 6:56 am
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Why in Australia it's called the Labor Party, not the Labour Party?
Jun 26th 2010, 7:33 am
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1901 minutes:
According to the official minutes, "a preliminary meeting of member of the Federal Parliament favourable to the formation of a Commonwealth Labour Party was held at Parliament House on Tuesday the 7th May 1901."
the influence of the then powerful United States labor movement, and especially the influence of Labor’s prominent American-born member King O'Malley.
O'Malley was the originator of the spelling of "Labor" in the Australian Labor Party's title in the American style. He was a spelling reform enthusiast and persuaded the party that "Labor" was a more "modern" spelling than "Labour".
He also brought prohibition laws into the ACT, 1910-1927
Jun 26th 2010, 7:41 am
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American spelling...
1901 minutes:
O'Malley was American born but joined the Australian government in 1910, becoming Minister for Home Affairs.
O'Malley was the originator of the spelling of "Labor" in the Australian Labor Party's title in the American style. He was a spelling reform enthusiast and persuaded the party that "Labor" was a more "modern" spelling than "Labour".
He also brought prohibition laws into the ACT, 1910-1927
1901 minutes:
O'Malley was American born but joined the Australian government in 1910, becoming Minister for Home Affairs.
O'Malley was the originator of the spelling of "Labor" in the Australian Labor Party's title in the American style. He was a spelling reform enthusiast and persuaded the party that "Labor" was a more "modern" spelling than "Labour".
He also brought prohibition laws into the ACT, 1910-1927
Jun 26th 2010, 8:02 am
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Lets just say I disagree strongly with those "independent reports" and agree with other "independent reports" that say the stimulus was like trying to cure a drug addict by giving him more drugs, time will tell.
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Jun 26th 2010, 12:30 pm
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Ahh yes, you mean
Actually, the bigger difference is how the changes in leadership was done. With the overthrow of Nelson and Turnbull, these were both done within the party rooms in Canberra - as in the parliamentary party initiated this. With Labor and the recent overthrow of Rudd, this was not initiated and orchestrated by the parliamentary party as would normally be the case.
a) $900 or so being thrown around at people (more than once), in a completely untargeted fashion
b) the bungled home insulation scheme which has killed people and still causing house fires, even though the danger was fully known by the government. Only after much pressure to be scrapped, to have much more money wastefully spent to inspect insulation done under the scheme, and a promise for an insulation scheme to return which has now been scrapped.
c) the bungled school building program, forcing schools to have buildings that they may not even want or need (including private schools) - and when buildings are needed, reports of schools being unable to employ local companies to build according to plans drawn up by the school at a cheaper cost but meeting requirements, because they are forced to accept less at a greater cost which in some cases don't meet fire regulations.
So the stimulus saviour has largely been down to wasting money, and now requiring a super profit mining tax to part-mend that debt that didn't need to be the size it is.b) the bungled home insulation scheme which has killed people and still causing house fires, even though the danger was fully known by the government. Only after much pressure to be scrapped, to have much more money wastefully spent to inspect insulation done under the scheme, and a promise for an insulation scheme to return which has now been scrapped.
c) the bungled school building program, forcing schools to have buildings that they may not even want or need (including private schools) - and when buildings are needed, reports of schools being unable to employ local companies to build according to plans drawn up by the school at a cheaper cost but meeting requirements, because they are forced to accept less at a greater cost which in some cases don't meet fire regulations.
Actually, the bigger difference is how the changes in leadership was done. With the overthrow of Nelson and Turnbull, these were both done within the party rooms in Canberra - as in the parliamentary party initiated this. With Labor and the recent overthrow of Rudd, this was not initiated and orchestrated by the parliamentary party as would normally be the case.
It has been internationally recognised (independently from biased local politics) that the speed of the stimulus and bank guarantee saved Australia from plunging into a technical recession with the consequent loss of confidence, mass job losses and economic turmoil witnessed in many economies.
While I'm sure they would wish some of the programs were implemented better during their haste, the overall outcome has been fantastic for Australia compared to what could have been.
I think the outstanding part of this leadership change has been the hypocrisy of the conservative forces complaining about the nature of Rudd's overthrow after spending months trying to destroy him under a flood of negativity (with the help of Chris Mitchell's current vendetta running at "The Australian").
It is this same negativity combined with Abbott's extremism that will consign them to the wrong side of the house for another term until they choose a more centrist politician to lead them.
Jun 26th 2010, 12:38 pm
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So knowing about the risk of death from dodgy insulation installations, and the PMs office telling Garrett that it's ok - which sure enough is followed by a number of deaths, along with ongoing house fires is simply a "mistake" then?
Jun 26th 2010, 12:38 pm
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The massive cash reserves that the Country had, was vital in paying for the majority of the stimulus. Without those reserves, we would have been in pretty big trouble.
The difference there is that Nelson, Turnbull nor Abbott had not been elected by the people to be Prime Minister of Australia.
The Kevin07 campaign was, in effect, a campaign to elect Kevin Rudd.
Technically and legally though you are correct, in that they can do what they like. It is just that too many normal people thought they had elected Kevin07.
The difference there is that Nelson, Turnbull nor Abbott had not been elected by the people to be Prime Minister of Australia.
The Kevin07 campaign was, in effect, a campaign to elect Kevin Rudd.
Technically and legally though you are correct, in that they can do what they like. It is just that too many normal people thought they had elected Kevin07.
Even if people thought they had elected Rudd if the party internally thinks Rudds govt has issues and wishes to take a new candidate to the next election that is their prerogative. I must say the concern from conservative voters for Labor voters is very touching though...
