Perth. the north south divide
#46
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Stormz
You work in Maddington Simone? Whereabouts? Isn`t Maddington Metro one of the most boring shopping centre you`ve ever been to? My wife`s family end up there every thursday night for a coffee.
Still, Maddington Metro is the only mall around, Gosnells I don't even see a 'centre' of town, and Thornlie has only 1 big one, which I haven't been in but looks just as bad as Maddington.
I work on the industrial side, on Davison st. Pick up the mail from Gosnells occasionally, go to the National Bank in Maddington to drop off cheques(still can't believe in a system where I have to DRIVE to the bank and drop stuff off!!!!) and the postoffice and shops at Metro sometimes.
It's wierd these suburbs(Maddington, Gosnells), you can tell that not that long ago they were more towns, at least the suburbs at the edge of the city. Now they're more into it, but you still have the odd paddock in between, with horses for example Or older cottages in between the newer houses. Even in the city you have this, along Great Eastern Hwy there's some old cottages in between all the industrial area's(and new appartments being built along the riverfront). It shows how fast Perth has grown/is growing, very fascinating.
For example, when you drive through Welshpool, along Welshpool rd in the direction of Lesmurdie, you come past a petrol station(around about Maddington/Banksia Grove). This is the type of petrol station that's found in the country, not city, but behind it is the new suburb if Banksia Grove
So, prices.... Kalamunda, Gooseberry Hill, Darlington, Mt Helena and Mundaring have all taken off majorly(and more). I guess this is because these have the easiest access to the city(great eastern highway). Up that end, I have a feeling Gidgigannup will be next. It's not that far from Midland when you go along Toodyay rd, or you can drive down via Mt Helena.
#47
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by delia
I'm singing the praises of living in the hills at the moment, especially when on an evening like tonight I look up and see thousands of stars. There's no light pollution from the city, I never stop being amazed when I look up on a clear night. Oh and if your worried about the lack of sea breezes get reverse cycle air con, evaporative is crap when you really need it coast wind or no coast wind.
We are only a 10-minute drive from the nearest beach. We were told to be prepared for warmer temperatures away from the coast, but I can't say I've found it noticeably hotter, probably not really far enough inland for it to be a problem. And yes the beach novelty does wear off. In the UK it was a good two-hour drive (in holiday traffic) to get to the beach from where we lived and you could guarantee it would be chilly when you got there, certainly too cold to swim and the kids would run around in cossies with goosebumps. Now we can go whenever we like - but we don't, not anymore anyway. At first we went for a stroll every so often, or loaded up the car and took a picnic, but even the kids get fed up building sandcastles once they do it too often. In some ways, it's nice to keep the beach as a "special treat", something to look forward to once in a while.
Having seen the destructive force of the recent Tsunami, which could so easily have hit the WA coast if the epicentre had been further south, I'm glad to keep some distance between our home and the water! In any case, many people I've spoken to who craved a house close to the beach and ended up moving away, said that whilst the ocean views were lovely, there were many complaints that they never considered such as 1) high winds blowing everything around the garden 2) sand permanently inside the house 3) the continual noise of the waves 4) the coastal air ruining the car bodywork 5) having to constantly clean the windows. Not to mention the fact that all beachside suburbs have smaller and smaller blocks and are so crowded now. As crowded as any estate in the UK. In our old house in Halls Head, there was just no privacy. We could hear everything our neighbours said out in the garden, and could hear them flushing the loo and talking on the phone. Whilst our children splashed about in the pool, doing bombies and screaming, we were accutely aware of how much we could be disturbing our older neigbours behind us, who may be trying to sit quietly in the garden reading. If a dog barked anywhere in the street, just seconds later, the rest of the street's dogs would be barking.
We have moved to an area of Mandurah which is expected to become much sought-after, with the completion of the railway and freeway. We live on a peaceful 5 acres, just 10 minutes out of the city with easy access to all facilities. We are no further away from most things than we were living in Halls Head. We will be just minutes away from the freeway entry/exit points but far enough away that noise won't be an issue. The train station will be a short 5-minute drive, also this close will be the new developments at Lakelands (new schools, large shopping centre, recreation areas, housing). It will take about 45-50 minutes to reach Perth city centre from here, so for hubby working in South Perth, he will soon be able to look forward to a shorter commute every day. We are so glad we moved when we did, looking in the real estate pages, our house is going up in value already, with all the talk of the freeway construction. There aren't many suburbs with 5-acre blocks to choose from in Mandurah. We are in the Parklands/Stake Hill area. Or you could look at Barragup and Furnissdale. Otherwise for 1-acre blocks it's Pleasant Grove (heading south towards Dawesville). To give you an idea of price, 5-acre blocks are currently around $250,000 or to buy established houses, about $450,000. There is a place nearby though which is advertised at $650,000 which I gather has 5 bedrooms, home theatre, stables & paddocks, swimming pool, landscaped gardens. Any 5-acre blocks that come up in this area are snapped up quick.
#48
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Jacqui
We have moved to an area of Mandurah which is expected to become much sought-after, with the completion of the railway and freeway. We live on a peaceful 5 acres, just 10 minutes out of the city with easy access to all facilities. We are no further away from most things than we were living in Halls Head. We will be just minutes away from the freeway entry/exit points but far enough away that noise won't be an issue. The train station will be a short 5-minute drive, also this close will be the new developments at Lakelands (new schools, large shopping centre, recreation areas, housing). It will take about 45-50 minutes to reach Perth city centre from here, so for hubby working in South Perth, he will soon be able to look forward to a shorter commute every day. We are so glad we moved when we did, looking in the real estate pages, our house is going up in value already, with all the talk of the freeway construction. There aren't many suburbs with 5-acre blocks to choose from in Mandurah. We are in the Parklands/Stake Hill area. Or you could look at Barragup and Furnissdale. Otherwise for 1-acre blocks it's Pleasant Grove (heading south towards Dawesville). To give you an idea of price, 5-acre blocks are currently around $250,000 or to buy established houses, about $450,000. There is a place nearby though which is advertised at $650,000 which I gather has 5 bedrooms, home theatre, stables & paddocks, swimming pool, landscaped gardens. Any 5-acre blocks that come up in this area are snapped up quick.
What area's/suburbs do I type into the reiwa etc websites to find area's with prices of around the 200,000 mark, and not to far from the train and freeway?
#49
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Simone
What area's/suburbs do I type into the reiwa etc websites to find area's with prices of around the 200,000 mark, and not to far from the train and freeway?
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Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Jacqui
Having seen the destructive force of the recent Tsunami, which could so easily have hit the WA coast if the epicentre had been further south, I'm glad to keep some distance between our home and the water! .
Last edited by wombat42; Apr 14th 2005 at 7:02 pm.
#51
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Jacqui
Are you looking for established houses or blocks of land? Presumably land because you won't get a decent size house at $200k anymore, well not if you're after something modern in a nice suburb anyway.
Not interested in schools yet, certainly not high schools or even private schools!
#52
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Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by wombat42
The WA coast off Perth is 1,500+ KM's away from the Tsunami epicenture and there is no volcanic activity or fault line off the WA coast. A Tsunami is no more likely to hit Perth then London.
Plus they do get tsunamis over here, just last week was a programme about one that hit the Bristol Channel several hundred years ago.
I would think the odds of it happening though are miniscule....
#53
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Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by bridiej
No, not really it's about 2 hours south of Perth...
We spent a night at the Cave House Hotel in Yallinup Its a lovely old hotel with nice gardens which lead down to the sea. Well worth a stay for a treat (rooms have spa baths in them).
#54
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Sorry to be controversial, but isn't it a bit snobby to dis an area because it has a high percentage of Poms?
Good thread though, it's well worth taking time to look at the different areas before buying / renting a house. We looked as far as Falcon and just preferred the feel of the Northern Burbs. Since then we looked out East and considered going semi-rural, but decided it was too much hassle with two young children. Make sure you make the decision based on your own preferences rather than where most people seem to be going.
BTW The hills area is lovely, but for us there were too many negatives.
Good thread though, it's well worth taking time to look at the different areas before buying / renting a house. We looked as far as Falcon and just preferred the feel of the Northern Burbs. Since then we looked out East and considered going semi-rural, but decided it was too much hassle with two young children. Make sure you make the decision based on your own preferences rather than where most people seem to be going.
BTW The hills area is lovely, but for us there were too many negatives.
#55
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Larissa
Sorry to be controversial, but isn't it a bit snobby to dis an area because it has a high percentage of Poms?
Good thread though, it's well worth taking time to look at the different areas before buying / renting a house. We looked as far as Falcon and just preferred the feel of the Northern Burbs. Since then we looked out East and considered going semi-rural, but decided it was too much hassle with two young children. Make sure you make the decision based on your own preferences rather than where most people seem to be going.
BTW The hills area is lovely, but for us there were too many negatives.
Good thread though, it's well worth taking time to look at the different areas before buying / renting a house. We looked as far as Falcon and just preferred the feel of the Northern Burbs. Since then we looked out East and considered going semi-rural, but decided it was too much hassle with two young children. Make sure you make the decision based on your own preferences rather than where most people seem to be going.
BTW The hills area is lovely, but for us there were too many negatives.
I don't like some of the area's, but it has nothing to do with how many 'poms' there are!!
Yep, there are plenty of negatives, and I think the biggest one is infrastructure/distance to city/jobs. Even from Kalamunda it's not nice and easy to get into the city. Kalamunda rd is probably busy, Gt Eastern Hwy is very busy, and then either the causeway or the tunnel, both are nightmares in rush hour!!
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Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Badge
I always get these images of Poms walking around in Man U tops and labels for some reason, whenever I hear about Joondalup and the north.
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#57
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Have you been to Joondalup Badge?
In 6 months here I don't think I've seen a Pom in a Man U shirt, maybe 3 in St George Footy tops.
Maybe there are loads of Poms here as they have sussed the infrastructure and ammenities plus the older established areas nearer the city are a bit too expensive.
In 6 months here I don't think I've seen a Pom in a Man U shirt, maybe 3 in St George Footy tops.
Maybe there are loads of Poms here as they have sussed the infrastructure and ammenities plus the older established areas nearer the city are a bit too expensive.
#58
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Simone
It is. And I hope it doesn't seem like I was doing that?(can't be bothered to check my posts now...)
I don't like some of the area's, but it has nothing to do with how many 'poms' there are!!
Yep, there are plenty of negatives, and I think the biggest one is infrastructure/distance to city/jobs. Even from Kalamunda it's not nice and easy to get into the city. Kalamunda rd is probably busy, Gt Eastern Hwy is very busy, and then either the causeway or the tunnel, both are nightmares in rush hour!!
I don't like some of the area's, but it has nothing to do with how many 'poms' there are!!
Yep, there are plenty of negatives, and I think the biggest one is infrastructure/distance to city/jobs. Even from Kalamunda it's not nice and easy to get into the city. Kalamunda rd is probably busy, Gt Eastern Hwy is very busy, and then either the causeway or the tunnel, both are nightmares in rush hour!!
For infrastructure/location wise, yes livin in the hills is a negative should you be havin to commute to the CBD area by car. However, there are a lot of other areas in the Perth metro which are affected likewise, so it's neither here nor there as a negative against other similarly affordable suburbs, which also have a lack of rail infrastructure and only one main highway to town.
#59
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by delia
Something else new migrants might want to consider are the hills to the south east of Perth, from Kalamunda through to Jarrahdale, and especially Rolystone in the middle of these. I went looking at blocks at Churchmans Brook and the Araluen Resort where you can currently buy a 2000/3000m2 block with city or valley views build a house surrounded by other magnificent homes and not have to worry about listening to your neighbour's tv, for about 450,000 dollars. It sounds a lot, but a decent deposit from the house sale of a 30 something couple from the uk who have been on the property ladder for a few years and it is very achievable. If you saw the areas and the homes, and did the maths, you will then have the lifestyle change I'm sure many people are looking for. I live in the hills myself in a town called Byford and its a lovely place to live, people know me at the shops, the neighbours come and say hello, kids having fun in streets. It's worth a look.
A sense of community is important especially if you have children.
#60
Re: Perth. the north south divide
Originally Posted by Muzza04
For infrastructure/location wise, yes livin in the hills is a negative should you be havin to commute to the CBD area by car. However, there are a lot of other areas in the Perth metro which are affected likewise, so it's neither here nor there as a negative against other similarly affordable suburbs, which also have a lack of rail infrastructure and only one main highway to town.
But coming from Mandurah you will soon have a train, and already north. Nothing Mundaring/Kalamunda/Lesmurdie way.
And I'm quite sure it will take you longer to get from Kalumunda(and maybe Roleystone) into the city than it takes coming from Joondalup(or even above Joondalup)
Ok, going to do some proper research, instead of guesses
Roleystone -> West Perth by car: 50 minutes (add at least 20 for rush hour?? Map is saying go via Albany Hwy(argh! a million traffic lights!) and then the causeway and through the city!! (argh, major traffice jams!!). Probably via Roe Hwy/South st/Kwinana fwy is a better route. Maddington- Perth takes me 30 minutes via that route, and that's NOT in rushhour(going in the wrong direction))
http://www.whereis.com.au:80/whereis...rt=1&x=77&y=17
Roleystone -> West Perth by public transport:
1 hour and 20 minutes!!!
http://www.transperth.wa.gov.au/Desk...&Time=8%3a30AM
Kalamunda -> West Perth by car, says 35 mins, well, I know for certain it will be a lot longer in rush hour, don't know how much, but I guess about an hour.
Kalamunda -> West Perth by public transport: 1 hour
I'd be suprised if anyone can afford Kalamunda anyway(or at least wants to pay that much..!)
Mt Helena -> West Perth by car, says 56 mins, will be longer in rush hour when taking Gt Eastern hwy and tunnel/graham farmer fwy.
Mt Helena -> West Perth by public transport: 1 hour, 10 mins
Byford is also 50 mins(+ time for rush hour) by car.
Public transport 1 hour/1 hour 10 mins.... not to bad I guess...
It's alright if you can get work closer to home, but we're stuffed as Pascal loves his job, and all other graphic design jobs will be in same area anyway(Subiaco is even further than West Perth...)
And fact is fact, if you're not a tradie, but more an office person(is that white or blue collar??), most work will be Perth/West Perth/Subiaco/South Perth/West Leederville etc. This is proven by the ammount of traffic that goes in every morning. And you can't(well, not often), be picky about jobs when you've just migrated
Just had a look, even places far out like Mt Helena, Roleystone and Byford are already to expensive for us! Looks like something decent in those areas already starts at 300,000!
Not much available under that price on www.reiwa.com.au.....
hmmmmmmmm