Newsflash: NZ has 'culture'
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Newsflash: NZ has 'culture'
Interesting that 'culture' is one of the things Lonely Planet listed as something that makes NZ a great place to visit.
I'd come to believe NZ didn't have any culture.....
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NZ named top place to visit, for second year running
04.02.2004
3.00pm
One of the world's biggest travel publishers has named New Zealand the world's top travel destination for the second year running.
Once a year Lonely Planet, which publishes 650 books in 17 languages, asks its staff to vote for the travel "hot spot" of the coming year.
Global travel editor Don George said it was "pretty extraordinary" for one country to top the list twice in a row.
He put the double down to a "perfect storm of spectacular pristine scenery, hospitable citizenry, compelling culture, perceived geopolitical safety and free global big-screen advertising -- courtesy of (Oscar-nominated movies) Lord of the Rings".
New Zealand would experience another tourism boom as a result, Mr George predicted.
"When Lonely Planet says this is a hot destination, a lot of people pay attention."
About 100 staffers voted in the publisher's four offices around the world, citing New Zealand's strong sense of culture, its relaxed attitude and its nuclear-free status.
Others said the "great New Zealand flick" Whale Rider would entice more visitors to the East Coast region, where highlights included watching rugby at Ruatoria, catching crayfish for dinner and staying on a marae.
Tourism New Zealand chief executive George Hickton said the accolade was excellent news because people were making increasing use of guide books.
Last month Tourism Minister Mark Burton said tourism already contributed $16.2 billion a year to the economy.
He said it was "well placed to give dairy a run for its money" as New Zealand's number one export industry.
The rest of Lonely Planet's top-five destinations for 2004 were filled out by Australia, Peru, Croatia and Thailand.
South America was voted the hottest region.
Last year's top five "hot spots" were New Zealand, Cambodia, China, Turkey and Cuba.
I'd come to believe NZ didn't have any culture.....
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NZ named top place to visit, for second year running
04.02.2004
3.00pm
One of the world's biggest travel publishers has named New Zealand the world's top travel destination for the second year running.
Once a year Lonely Planet, which publishes 650 books in 17 languages, asks its staff to vote for the travel "hot spot" of the coming year.
Global travel editor Don George said it was "pretty extraordinary" for one country to top the list twice in a row.
He put the double down to a "perfect storm of spectacular pristine scenery, hospitable citizenry, compelling culture, perceived geopolitical safety and free global big-screen advertising -- courtesy of (Oscar-nominated movies) Lord of the Rings".
New Zealand would experience another tourism boom as a result, Mr George predicted.
"When Lonely Planet says this is a hot destination, a lot of people pay attention."
About 100 staffers voted in the publisher's four offices around the world, citing New Zealand's strong sense of culture, its relaxed attitude and its nuclear-free status.
Others said the "great New Zealand flick" Whale Rider would entice more visitors to the East Coast region, where highlights included watching rugby at Ruatoria, catching crayfish for dinner and staying on a marae.
Tourism New Zealand chief executive George Hickton said the accolade was excellent news because people were making increasing use of guide books.
Last month Tourism Minister Mark Burton said tourism already contributed $16.2 billion a year to the economy.
He said it was "well placed to give dairy a run for its money" as New Zealand's number one export industry.
The rest of Lonely Planet's top-five destinations for 2004 were filled out by Australia, Peru, Croatia and Thailand.
South America was voted the hottest region.
Last year's top five "hot spots" were New Zealand, Cambodia, China, Turkey and Cuba.
#3
Very interesting Jon. I can feel a flood of negative posts coming on how lacking in 'culture' New Zealand is, lovely place to holiday in but try earning a living here, etc, etc.
OzTennis
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#4
now would i dare say such a thing???
of course not..BUT..
If they are going to become a top tourist destination, they'll need to upgrade about 90% of their hotels to modern standards and also get themselves a public transport infastructure!!!
of course not..BUT..
If they are going to become a top tourist destination, they'll need to upgrade about 90% of their hotels to modern standards and also get themselves a public transport infastructure!!!
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Originally posted by podgypossum
now would i dare say such a thing???
of course not..BUT..
If they are going to become a top tourist destination, they'll need to upgrade about 90% of their hotels to modern standards and also get themselves a public transport infastructure!!!
now would i dare say such a thing???
of course not..BUT..
If they are going to become a top tourist destination, they'll need to upgrade about 90% of their hotels to modern standards and also get themselves a public transport infastructure!!!
in any case - I think the lack of such things adds to it's charm
plenty of toher places in the world to go for infrastructure.
Though I do think the govt needs to bite the bullet and build a bloody great toll road down the middle of it. Kiwi's would never swallow it though - but it's the onlt way NZ will afford decent roads.
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Originally posted by jandjuk
Though I do think the govt needs to bite the bullet and build a bloody great toll road down the middle of it. Kiwi's would never swallow it though - but it's the onlt way NZ will afford decent roads.
Though I do think the govt needs to bite the bullet and build a bloody great toll road down the middle of it. Kiwi's would never swallow it though - but it's the onlt way NZ will afford decent roads.
I reckon they could finance it without the need for a toll. Another 5c on a litre of fuel? Running big budget surplus at the moment, too - a crime in most economists' eyes. Spend more.
Infrastructure that would please both sides of the political divide (so doff your hats the sandal-wearers! )
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Originally posted by podgypossum
now would i dare say such a thing???
of course not..BUT..
If they are going to become a top tourist destination, they'll need to upgrade about 90% of their hotels to modern standards and also get themselves a public transport infastructure!!!
now would i dare say such a thing???
of course not..BUT..
If they are going to become a top tourist destination, they'll need to upgrade about 90% of their hotels to modern standards and also get themselves a public transport infastructure!!!
thats so bitchy , they have it IN WRITING in 17 languages u know !!! wonder if sheep talk is 1 of em
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Originally posted by podgypossum
now would i dare say such a thing???
of course not..BUT..
If they are going to become a top tourist destination, they'll need to upgrade about 90% of their hotels to modern standards and also get themselves a public transport infastructure!!!
now would i dare say such a thing???
of course not..BUT..
If they are going to become a top tourist destination, they'll need to upgrade about 90% of their hotels to modern standards and also get themselves a public transport infastructure!!!
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Originally posted by bondipom
The Hotel I stayed in Auckland was of the standard one would expect for the money paid. Does it go downhill in the provinces?
The Hotel I stayed in Auckland was of the standard one would expect for the money paid. Does it go downhill in the provinces?
When we were stuffed by not booking ahead and had to cop a cheapie, quality was usually a lot rougher but that's reflected by the price (say, NZD70).
#10
Personally, i dont care that much wher ei stay as long as it is clean and functional...BUT... if you are going to put yourself on the market as the worlds top tourist destination, can you imagine the yanks and others being happy with whats on offer at he moment?
Take Auckland airport for starters... we stayed in the most expensive hotel close to the airport the night before we left for Oz. Our room was bare breeze block with a slap of emulsion painted over it!!!...and this is the best they offer at the airport?????... it didnt bother me, but i can see it bothering a lot of other trvellers, when they have paid top price
Take Auckland airport for starters... we stayed in the most expensive hotel close to the airport the night before we left for Oz. Our room was bare breeze block with a slap of emulsion painted over it!!!...and this is the best they offer at the airport?????... it didnt bother me, but i can see it bothering a lot of other trvellers, when they have paid top price
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Re: Newsflash: NZ has 'culture'
Originally posted by jandjuk
Interesting that 'culture' is one of the things Lonely Planet listed as something that makes NZ a great place to visit.
I'd come to believe NZ didn't have any culture.....
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NZ named top place to visit, for second year running
04.02.2004
3.00pm
One of the world's biggest travel publishers has named New Zealand the world's top travel destination for the second year running.
Once a year Lonely Planet, which publishes 650 books in 17 languages, asks its staff to vote for the travel "hot spot" of the coming year.
Global travel editor Don George said it was "pretty extraordinary" for one country to top the list twice in a row.
He put the double down to a "perfect storm of spectacular pristine scenery, hospitable citizenry, compelling culture, perceived geopolitical safety and free global big-screen advertising -- courtesy of (Oscar-nominated movies) Lord of the Rings".
New Zealand would experience another tourism boom as a result, Mr George predicted.
"When Lonely Planet says this is a hot destination, a lot of people pay attention."
About 100 staffers voted in the publisher's four offices around the world, citing New Zealand's strong sense of culture, its relaxed attitude and its nuclear-free status.
Others said the "great New Zealand flick" Whale Rider would entice more visitors to the East Coast region, where highlights included watching rugby at Ruatoria, catching crayfish for dinner and staying on a marae.
Tourism New Zealand chief executive George Hickton said the accolade was excellent news because people were making increasing use of guide books.
Last month Tourism Minister Mark Burton said tourism already contributed $16.2 billion a year to the economy.
He said it was "well placed to give dairy a run for its money" as New Zealand's number one export industry.
The rest of Lonely Planet's top-five destinations for 2004 were filled out by Australia, Peru, Croatia and Thailand.
South America was voted the hottest region.
Last year's top five "hot spots" were New Zealand, Cambodia, China, Turkey and Cuba.
Interesting that 'culture' is one of the things Lonely Planet listed as something that makes NZ a great place to visit.
I'd come to believe NZ didn't have any culture.....
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NZ named top place to visit, for second year running
04.02.2004
3.00pm
One of the world's biggest travel publishers has named New Zealand the world's top travel destination for the second year running.
Once a year Lonely Planet, which publishes 650 books in 17 languages, asks its staff to vote for the travel "hot spot" of the coming year.
Global travel editor Don George said it was "pretty extraordinary" for one country to top the list twice in a row.
He put the double down to a "perfect storm of spectacular pristine scenery, hospitable citizenry, compelling culture, perceived geopolitical safety and free global big-screen advertising -- courtesy of (Oscar-nominated movies) Lord of the Rings".
New Zealand would experience another tourism boom as a result, Mr George predicted.
"When Lonely Planet says this is a hot destination, a lot of people pay attention."
About 100 staffers voted in the publisher's four offices around the world, citing New Zealand's strong sense of culture, its relaxed attitude and its nuclear-free status.
Others said the "great New Zealand flick" Whale Rider would entice more visitors to the East Coast region, where highlights included watching rugby at Ruatoria, catching crayfish for dinner and staying on a marae.
Tourism New Zealand chief executive George Hickton said the accolade was excellent news because people were making increasing use of guide books.
Last month Tourism Minister Mark Burton said tourism already contributed $16.2 billion a year to the economy.
He said it was "well placed to give dairy a run for its money" as New Zealand's number one export industry.
The rest of Lonely Planet's top-five destinations for 2004 were filled out by Australia, Peru, Croatia and Thailand.
South America was voted the hottest region.
Last year's top five "hot spots" were New Zealand, Cambodia, China, Turkey and Cuba.
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Re: Newsflash: NZ has 'culture'
Originally posted by Gladrags
I know all this to be true but I can't see what it has to do with culture. I think when people berate NZ for its supposed lack of they are referring to Art Galleries that hold major, and recognised collections, same with the Museums etc. Sure, the tourists are flocking here. But not for the culture I would guess.
I know all this to be true but I can't see what it has to do with culture. I think when people berate NZ for its supposed lack of they are referring to Art Galleries that hold major, and recognised collections, same with the Museums etc. Sure, the tourists are flocking here. But not for the culture I would guess.
I always find the statements about "lack of culture" in NZ and Aus a bit vague. The number of British people (rather than tourists) who visit museums and galleries in the UK never seemed that high to me. Yet a remarkable number of dissatisfied immigrants seem to quote this as a major issue.
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Well I know One tourist who has No intention of ever going back.
Been there ,done that, wouldn't do it again.
G
Been there ,done that, wouldn't do it again.
G
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Re: Newsflash: NZ has 'culture'
Originally posted by southerner
You've fallen into the trap of viewing the term culture very narrowly, from a European perspective. The tourists are indeed flocking to NZ among other things to see Maori culture and take part in the modern kiwi lifestyle (beaches, the outdoors, sports, adventure activities, eco stuff). A country's culture is far more than what is locked up inside museums and galleries. It also includes doing things like a wine trail in NZ, or going to a pub in the UK.
I always find the statements about "lack of culture" in NZ and Aus a bit vague. The number of British people (rather than tourists) who visit museums and galleries in the UK never seemed that high to me. Yet a remarkable number of dissatisfied immigrants seem to quote this as a major issue.
You've fallen into the trap of viewing the term culture very narrowly, from a European perspective. The tourists are indeed flocking to NZ among other things to see Maori culture and take part in the modern kiwi lifestyle (beaches, the outdoors, sports, adventure activities, eco stuff). A country's culture is far more than what is locked up inside museums and galleries. It also includes doing things like a wine trail in NZ, or going to a pub in the UK.
I always find the statements about "lack of culture" in NZ and Aus a bit vague. The number of British people (rather than tourists) who visit museums and galleries in the UK never seemed that high to me. Yet a remarkable number of dissatisfied immigrants seem to quote this as a major issue.
As regards outdoor pursuits being termed culture, yes, but of the 'low brow variety. I understand culture embraces a way of life but thanks for highlighting my ignorance. I think the point perhaps is more that NZ fails in the 'high brow' variety. Whether that is an issue for other people is another thing . For me it is.
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'low brow'?? 'high brow'??
stop it, you're making me laugh!! no wonder you don't like NZ with talk like this!
Most NZer's couldn't give a stuff about high and low brow.... I suppose you think Te Papa is low brow too? Bring back the glass cases and tiny labels - yawn....
The fact that NZ doesn't have much 'high brow' culture is exactly the point. It is there if you look in the right places, but it's certainly not presented as 'high brow'! Sure, not many recognised international collections, but the outside europe and new york, who does have these?? You might find some NZ artwork - after all you are in New Zealand.
Your comments on Maori culture demonstrate some spendidly colonial British views. 'not too flash in the 21st century'??
21st century Britain perhaps. Who are you to tell Maori what is and isn't flash in your definition of the 21st century?
stop it, you're making me laugh!! no wonder you don't like NZ with talk like this!
Most NZer's couldn't give a stuff about high and low brow.... I suppose you think Te Papa is low brow too? Bring back the glass cases and tiny labels - yawn....
The fact that NZ doesn't have much 'high brow' culture is exactly the point. It is there if you look in the right places, but it's certainly not presented as 'high brow'! Sure, not many recognised international collections, but the outside europe and new york, who does have these?? You might find some NZ artwork - after all you are in New Zealand.
Your comments on Maori culture demonstrate some spendidly colonial British views. 'not too flash in the 21st century'??
21st century Britain perhaps. Who are you to tell Maori what is and isn't flash in your definition of the 21st century?
Last edited by jandjuk; Feb 5th 2004 at 8:49 am.