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The NBN Rip off
So Optus today luanched its fees for customers to use the NBN. I was a supporter of the idea on the assumption that it would reduce costs and stop using pathetic download limits. Well i was wrong.
The starting package will be $39.99 a month and offer a speed of 12Mb and a download limit of 40Gb. Crap. Virgin in the UK are offering 100Mb speed with unlimited download and a land line telephone for 32 pounds a month and sky are doing Sky TV, land line with free calls, 20Mb down loads speed net unlimited for 32.50 a month. I had semi believed the crap the companies used to spout about Oz being such a big place and the costs of putting in systems. But i as a tax payer have now paid for the lines and you are still ripping me off. |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 9722728)
So Optus today luanched its fees for customers to use the NBN. I was a supporter of the idea on the assumption that it would reduce costs and stop using pathetic download limits. Well i was wrong.
The starting package will be $39.99 a month and offer a speed of 12Mb and a download limit of 40Gb. Crap. Virgin in the UK are offering 100Mb speed with unlimited download and a land line telephone for 32 pounds a month and sky are doing Sky TV, land line with free calls, 20Mb down loads speed net unlimited for 32.50 a month. I had semi believed the crap the companies used to spout about Oz being such a big place and the costs of putting in systems. But i as a tax payer have now paid for the lines and you are still ripping me off. I was genuinely puzzled about chronically low quotas and caps and shaping etc. My OHS parents were on 200mb per month!) I have seen it slowly evolve over time and it is better now than it was, but still piss poor in comparison to EU/USA/ROW etc. However with the NBN I set my expectations accordingly: there was never any part of me that thought the NBN plans offered by ISPs would be anything other than a rip off. The only thing this time is that we cant blame Telstra exclusively for controlling all the infrastructure. One thing I learned though, never look to Optus or Teltra to provide value for money. There are plenty of other ISPs out there who offer better packages. Check out whirlpool.net.au 12MBPS - i think I am actually getting more than that now! |
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Ahh, the joys of a 'free' market. Most people don't seem to realise 'free' means free to extract the maximum possible amount from each punter.
Putting in a fibre network IS a worthwhile and useful thing to do, but its only one part of the process and needs to be done right. Allowing Telstra near it is doing it very wrong. If I'd been in Gov I'd have started with installing/buying lots of nice new oceanic cables between Australia and the rest of the world. That a significant reason why bandwidths are capped here - the long haul fees to get data from where you might want it. Quite cheap and quick to do in relative terms, and then allows you to whip the local telcos into shape (access fees related to service quality). The other bit is working out what you are going to do with a widespread, highspeed, network. You need it to have some point ahead of time - and at the moment its still missing. Oh, and I'd have had a word with Mr Branson to shake the telco industry up. That would set the wolf amongst the fat cats. |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 9722728)
So Optus today luanched its fees for customers to use the NBN. I was a supporter of the idea on the assumption that it would reduce costs and stop using pathetic download limits. Well i was wrong.
The starting package will be $39.99 a month and offer a speed of 12Mb and a download limit of 40Gb. Crap. Virgin in the UK are offering 100Mb speed with unlimited download and a land line telephone for 32 pounds a month and sky are doing Sky TV, land line with free calls, 20Mb down loads speed net unlimited for 32.50 a month. I had semi believed the crap the companies used to spout about Oz being such a big place and the costs of putting in systems. But i as a tax payer have now paid for the lines and you are still ripping me off. How many people have access to 100Mb internet in the UK? Not many I reckon. Where I used to live in the UK (inside the M25), only recently got 24Mb ADSL2+. Many in the UK only have access to 8Mb broadband. The government over there has a policy to give the whole country access to at least 2Mb. Those 'unlimited' plans are not so unlimited when their 'fair use' policy kicks in. You no longer live in Australia so why are you worried about this? |
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The whole thing is a huge white elephant. I have been researching internet/phone/TV packages for when we return to the UK and the deals are just amazing when compared to here. We will be paying the same there for all those things with faster unlimited broadband for what we pay for Foxtel alone here.
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 9722728)
So Optus today luanched its fees for customers to use the NBN. I was a supporter of the idea on the assumption that it would reduce costs and stop using pathetic download limits. Well i was wrong.
The starting package will be $39.99 a month and offer a speed of 12Mb and a download limit of 40Gb. Crap. Virgin in the UK are offering 100Mb speed with unlimited download and a land line telephone for 32 pounds a month and sky are doing Sky TV, land line with free calls, 20Mb down loads speed net unlimited for 32.50 a month. I had semi believed the crap the companies used to spout about Oz being such a big place and the costs of putting in systems. But i as a tax payer have now paid for the lines and you are still ripping me off. |
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The price comparison between Oz/UK is a no contest. UK wins hands down though why anyone would go with Optus or Telstra or one of the other rip off's is beyond me. TPG is working absolutely fine for me in Oz - in fact a lot faster that my 24 mb/s connection in London which maxed at about 8mb and constantly dropped in and out.
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I have absolutely no problems with speed and reliability but the price is STILL way too high.
What happens if few people take up the NBN and stick with their current arrangements? |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 9724279)
The price comparison between Oz/UK is a no contest. UK wins hands down though why anyone would go with Optus or Telstra or one of the other rip off's is beyond me. TPG is working absolutely fine for me in Oz - in fact a lot faster that my 24 mb/s connection in London which maxed at about 8mb and constantly dropped in and out.
Most UK 'unlimited' plans are not that due to their fair usage policies: http://www.uswitch.com/broadband/gui..._usage_policy/ Judging by what I download every month, I would be caught by this if I lived in the UK. |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes
(Post 9724298)
What happens if few people take up the NBN and stick with their current arrangements?
If people don't like it? well, they must be paedophiles... |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 9724306)
I find the same with iinet - 15-19Mb download speed, very reliable and when there is a problem they are quick to sort it out. 400Gb cap is plenty enough for me.
Most UK 'unlimited' plans are not that due to their fair usage policies: http://www.uswitch.com/broadband/gui..._usage_policy/ Judging by what I download every month, I would be caught by this if I lived in the UK. I've started using a VPN for torrenting and using BBC iPlayer and Hulu in the USA. Then my connection goes down to less than 1Mb/s, sometimes much slower than that. :( |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 9724041)
Why would you go to a crappy, mickey mouse outfit like Optus for your internet? iinet have 100Mb, 1Tb plans for not much more than that.
How many people have access to 100Mb internet in the UK? Not many I reckon. Where I used to live in the UK (inside the M25), only recently got 24Mb ADSL2+. Many in the UK only have access to 8Mb broadband. The government over there has a policy to give the whole country access to at least 2Mb. Those 'unlimited' plans are not so unlimited when their 'fair use' policy kicks in. You no longer live in Australia so why are you worried about this? Secondly, because i do live in Australia. I just dont work there any more |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 9724310)
Firtly, i lived in Leicester and had 40Mb and totally unlimitted.
Secondly, because i do live in Australia. I just dont work there any more If you want ot use a muppet outfit like Optus then that's your indaba. |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by renth
(Post 9724308)
I have ADSL2+ with iinet and only get between 5Mb/s and 9Mb/s.
I've started using a VPN for torrenting and using BBC iPlayer and Hulu in the USA. Then my connection goes down to less than 1Mb/s, sometimes much slower than that. :( |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes
(Post 9724298)
What happens if few people take up the NBN and stick with their current arrangements?
There is no way that will hold up though. The cost will put people off potentially making it a bigger white elephant than the Adelaide - Darwin railroad so everyone will be forced onto it. I guess all they have to do is dismantle the current phone line system and we are buggered. |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 9724145)
The whole thing is a huge white elephant. I have been researching internet/phone/TV packages for when we return to the UK and the deals are just amazing when compared to here. We will be paying the same there for all those things with faster unlimited broadband for what we pay for Foxtel alone here.
You'll find that every single provider in the UK throttles at some point or other. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8077839.stm http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/is...rottling-23642 http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484326 I'll probably go with IInets 500 x 500 gig plan... which is basically unlimited at 25/5mbps... It's Bloody hard to download a terrabyte per month.. I did try early on in my 400 x 400 gb plan to reach the limit with 3 of us downloading we almost got there on the peak ..... http://www.iinet.net.au/nbn/nbn-plan-residential.html |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by Bix
(Post 9724372)
I guess all they have to do is dismantle the current phone line system and we are buggered.
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Building a fibre infrastructure in Oz is not the same as building one in the UK. You have the larger areas to cover, the expanse of empty land, the refriderated heatproof cabinets to protect the cables from the harsh sun, the connections between homes being further apart...the list goes on. All this costs money.
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I looked at the pricing and I will be better off with NBN. You do not need to pay line rental.
ADSL is great close to the exchange but useless at 4kms. Fibre has lower latency which makes it much better for voice and video conferencing. For business the ability to centralize services and get rid of costly site servers will be a big productivity gain. For me I save money and work saves money. |
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ADSL2+ is download speeds up to 24mbs. The speeds slow the further you are from the exchange. At four kms the technology becomes unstable.
Originally Posted by renth
(Post 9724308)
I have ADSL2+ with iinet and only get between 5Mb/s and 9Mb/s.
I've started using a VPN for torrenting and using BBC iPlayer and Hulu in the USA. Then my connection goes down to less than 1Mb/s, sometimes much slower than that. :( |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 9722728)
So Optus today luanched its fees for customers to use the NBN. I was a supporter of the idea on the assumption that it would reduce costs and stop using pathetic download limits. Well i was wrong.
The starting package will be $39.99 a month and offer a speed of 12Mb and a download limit of 40Gb. Crap. Virgin in the UK are offering 100Mb speed with unlimited download and a land line telephone for 32 pounds a month and sky are doing Sky TV, land line with free calls, 20Mb down loads speed net unlimited for 32.50 a month. I had semi believed the crap the companies used to spout about Oz being such a big place and the costs of putting in systems. But i as a tax payer have now paid for the lines and you are still ripping me off.
Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes
(Post 9724298)
I have absolutely no problems with speed and reliability but the price is STILL way too high.
What happens if few people take up the NBN and stick with their current arrangements? |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
(Post 9726541)
This is an Optus rip off, not an NBN rip off. iiNet's prices are much better. Still ludicrously expensive compared to the UK, but heading in the right direction.
Agreed. It is difficult to understand why anyone would stick with an arrangement that is slower and more expensive than the NBN contracts. Dont forget to add line rental to the UK prices... With IInet.= no line rental. |
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 9726574)
Dont forget to add line rental to the UK prices... With IInet.= no line rental.
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Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 9722728)
So Optus today luanched its fees for customers to use the NBN. I was a supporter of the idea on the assumption that it would reduce costs and stop using pathetic download limits. Well i was wrong.
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Re: The NBN Rip off
No line rental with Internode. With most my communication on Skype or mobile phone I will get better call quality.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 9726574)
Dont forget to add line rental to the UK prices... With IInet.= no line rental.
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From our research even with line rental included it is still far cheaper especially for complete packages.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 9726574)
Dont forget to add line rental to the UK prices... With IInet.= no line rental.
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Originally Posted by roaringmouse
(Post 9726591)
With iinet, if you want to use their VoIP phone service with their NBN offerings it's an additional $9.95/month.
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All the resellers. In many places in Australia there is no choice right now. NBN will give choice. For business it is great.
Originally Posted by Bix
(Post 9724589)
I think in fact when the fibre optic is laid copper wire will be withrawn so what choice is there?
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Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
(Post 9726836)
So you skip that and sign up with MyNetFone instead, where you can set your own monthly payment. We've chosen a plan which doesn't even have a monthly fee; we just pay for calls as we go.
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Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 9722728)
So Optus today luanched its fees for customers to use the NBN. I was a supporter of the idea on the assumption that it would reduce costs and stop using pathetic download limits. Well i was wrong.
The starting package will be $39.99 a month and offer a speed of 12Mb and a download limit of 40Gb. Crap. Virgin in the UK are offering 100Mb speed with unlimited download and a land line telephone for 32 pounds a month.... 45 equates to $99 which is not much different to the $99 100Mb plans offered in oz. Of course the Oz plans have download limits (500Gb) but that is nothing to do with NBN as there was no promise that the NBN would address this. As has been said this is a geographical limitation of having to lay very expensive trans pacific cables and then share this throughput. Virgin in the UK use their speed limiting to keep usage down. The promise of the NBN is of course universal high speed access. The private rollout of ADSL has left us with a mish mash of services with many having no or poor access. Virgin are only cherry picking one third of UK homes. With the lower density here cherry picking by private companies would leave us with even poorer fibre optic access. I think the NBN has the promise to be one of the best policies of the decade. It will allow all sorts of innovate proactive and reactive govt service delivery in health, education, social services, transport, registrations etc just when the aging population and reduced tax base begins to really strain govt services. |
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Originally Posted by IvanM
(Post 9726843)
All the resellers. In many places in Australia there is no choice right now. NBN will give choice. For business it is great.
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Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by fish.01
(Post 9727101)
I think the NBN has the promise to be one of the best policies of the decade. It will allow all sorts of innovate proactive and reactive govt service delivery in health, education, social services, transport, registrations etc just when the aging population and reduced tax base begins to really strain govt services. |
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
(Post 9728230)
The NBN will remove choice. It's another government monopoly.
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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
(Post 9728256)
How will it remove choice? We currently have a wholesale/retail monopoly (Telstra) which will be replaced by proper retail competition.
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
(Post 9728278)
When the NBN passes your door Telstra will disconnect your copper in 18 months time so the only choce you have is NBN or nothing. The NBN wholesale prices will be be fixed by NBN to the ISP and all the ISP can do is pass the costs on with an added markiup. The only competition will be wireless.
How does that differ from Gas, Electricity, Water, Roads or the existing Telstra copper ? IInet may well be able in future to supply at sub the NBN Wholesale price because of their add on Voip and IPTV services. Other ISP's may follow. or in fact join with IInet in offering joint add on services... I think Internode are considering this. |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by NedKelly
(Post 9728236)
The NBN is one of the biggest white elephants a government has ever created. Where did you get this stuff, the ALP website?
The NBN is replacing the backbone infrastructure that served the last 100 years with a new backbone for the future. Wireless is not competition to copper or fibre. It is a complementary technology. The idea that wireless can compete with/replace a backbone technology is unscientific. |
Re: The NBN Rip off
Originally Posted by NedKelly
(Post 9728278)
When the NBN passes your door Telstra will disconnect your copper in 18 months time so the only choce you have is NBN or nothing. The NBN wholesale prices will be be fixed by NBN to the ISP and all the ISP can do is pass the costs on with an added markiup. The only competition will be wireless.
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 9728296)
How does that differ from Gas, Electricity, Water, Roads or the existing Telstra copper ?
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 9728296)
IInet may well be able in future to supply at sub the NBN Wholesale price because of their add on Voip and IPTV services. Other ISP's may follow. or in fact join with IInet in offering joint add on services... I think Internode are considering this.
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Originally Posted by fish.01
(Post 9728298)
Pot, kettle...your views sound exactly like the coalitions sound bites without any of your own research ;)
Probably because they have thought it through like I have. Even a school boy can see spending 70 Billion Dollars to lay fibre and paying Telsta 11 Billion Dollars to rip up perfectly good cable is stupid.
Originally Posted by fish.01
(Post 9728298)
The NBN is replacing the backbone infrastructure that served the last 100 years with a new backbone for the future.
Originally Posted by fish.01
(Post 9728298)
Wireless is not competition to copper or fibre. It is a complementary technology. The idea that wireless can compete with/replace a backbone technology is unscientific. |
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
(Post 9728303)
It doesn't. Have you seen the price of electricity and water lately?
Just because they might subsidise one service with another doesn't mean it is cheaper. I think NBN Co. would have something to say if it was seen that an ISP was selling it's service cheaper than they were supplying it. |
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 9728312)
IInet already do this to Telstra.
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