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Old Aug 22nd 2008, 12:14 am
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Originally Posted by CaptainMerton
One major pain in the @rse about Australia which you dont really think about until you are here is the time difference. Its far worse than the distance I think.

Spot on.

I feel further away when I am living my Sunday before my Dad/Sister and phoning them takes careful planning.
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Yes, top post PP.
For the original poster, I'd say have you discussed it with your parents? They might surprise you
My parents are approaching 80, so the worry is seriously that they might die while we're overseas. However, when I broached it with Mum she was fine with it and encouraged us to go. We live in different islands of NZ and only see each other once a year now. She and Dad left UK for Oz and then NZ at the end of the 60s. Dad never saw his parents alive again, but has been back twice to spend time with brothers. Mum's surviving parent was already living in Oz, having left in the 50s. Perhaps our family are just mobile, but nobody seems to mind with the possible exception of my brother who remains in NZ and possibly thinks he'll be left to organise everything. We're lucky that from here a flight to Brisbane is cheaper than a flight within NZ, but even so we would go and leave parents if it was what we truly wanted because that is what being adult is about, as our parents keep reminding us. Sometimes I think they are more excited than we are about us going.
Only you can decide how you feel, but your parents aren't that old and could easily visit. Mine are getting a bit beyond that and I wonder if they'll ever be able to come and see us. However, what do we gain by staying in NZ until they are gone? They wouldn't want that.
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Spot on PP. I often find it difficult to deal with the emotions of leaving parents and my daughter in the UK. Sometimes I feel incredibly sad with a dose of guilt for good measure.

It's hard when you have parents that do not have the luxury of being able afford to come over every year, I know that mine will have to use savings to visit next year. My sister is a single parent with two kids and she too will find it very hard to save.

I took all this into consideration and realised that it would be me who would be doing the bulk of traveling. Now I have myself a job my main priority is to start a flight fund, whether it is for me to travel or for me to help them out with their flight costs.

I'm not sure how things will work when they are unable to travel, I will cross that bridge when I get to it.
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Old Aug 22nd 2008, 6:11 am
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Originally Posted by Scrawni 2
Spot on PP. I often find it difficult to deal with the emotions of leaving parents and my daughter in the UK. Sometimes I feel incredibly sad with a dose of guilt for good measure.

It's hard when you have parents that do not have the luxury of being able afford to come over every year, I know that mine will have to use savings to visit next year. My sister is a single parent with two kids and she too will find it very hard to save.

I took all this into consideration and realised that it would be me who would be doing the bulk of traveling. Now I have myself a job my main priority is to start a flight fund, whether it is for me to travel or for me to help them out with their flight costs.

I'm not sure how things will work when they are unable to travel, I will cross that bridge when I get to it.

Someone at work said to me 'Why not buy him 3 flights a year?' It was the same person that told me to 'buy my house' for $550,000 when it was valued and the same person who said 'How the hell do you survive without a car?'

The smug comments from a financially affluent person that either has not thought about those very comments or just assumes noone would work for a lesser salary than themselves.

I dont have the money to pay for Dad, I STILL havent got a car and I am still alive and I rent a house.

But it doesnt stop me wishing I could help my Dad.

Scrawni, its bloody hard isnt it mate and as you say, we cross certain bridges when we get to them.

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The most moving thread I have ever read.... I think it sums up perfectly how we all feel.
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Originally Posted by Professional Princess
I feel further away when I am living my Sunday before my Dad/Sister and phoning them takes careful planning.
One way around the need to plan is to establish a routine... we tend to get a call from my sister-in-law out in Oz around 11am (UK) on a Sunday. We know that's the regular time and so we can expect it, or text her to rearrange. That way we're only planning the exceptions to the rule. Similarly, when we move out there, I'll be choosing a regular time to call family back in the UK.

Even if it's just a ten-minute hi-how-are-you, regular contact keeps the links open, so that when you do have news to pass on or need to talk through something deeper, you know when you can call.

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It is hard PP and I have had similar comments made to me. We are not loaded and some people just don't get it. Your right, it is hard and some days are better than others

Like benlast we have a routine, I skype mum, dad and daughter on a Friday or Sunday night and my sister on Saturday, we all know the routine and it works very well. Our son often plays and talks to his cousins using his xbox.

You just have to find out what works for you.
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Originally Posted by Scrawni 2
It is hard PP and I have had similar comments made to me. We are not loaded and some people just don't get it. Your right, it is hard and some days are better than others

Like benlast we have a routine, I skype mum, dad and daughter on a Friday or Sunday night and my sister on Saturday, we all know the routine and it works very well. Our son often plays and talks to his cousins using his xbox.

You just have to find out what works for you.
This same guy that said the above to me, asked me why I didnt use our savings towards a house deposit to buy a car instead as it 'would open many more doors for me'.

'I cant live in a car can I?' I snapped at him.

'Your house is only $550,000 why not buy it?'

Stupid git.

If I had the money I would help my Dad in many more ways than just buying him a flight.
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Old Aug 22nd 2008, 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by Professional Princess
This same guy that said the above to me, asked me why I didnt use our savings towards a house deposit to buy a car instead as it 'would open many more doors for me'.

'I cant live in a car can I?' I snapped at him.

'Your house is only $550,000 why not buy it?'

Stupid git.

If I had the money I would help my Dad in many more ways than just buying him a flight.
What a knob to presume that everyone's got $550k to throw around! He's just showing off.

I can understand his mentality about the car, it's because absolutely everyone here has a car, so he probably finds it most odd as he knows no different. I believe the US is similar in this regard. Probably explains the woeful public transport too.

Thankfully my mum can afford to come over every year or help us out a bit if we go over there (x 4 flights ) but it is horrendously expensive there's no doubt about it.

Didn't go back for the first three years as I couldn't afford it, now I think I would go completely loopy if I didn't see anyone from my family at least once a year so I make it a priority over and above everything else.

I know some people cope better with time. I was the opposite, I wasn't so bad at first but as the years go on, I do miss my family more and more and it does totally make you question your motives and priorities in life.
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We will be stuck in the awkward position with children, we have promised regular contact, but it's easier said than done, especially with the time difference, and childrens commitment such as clubs, friends etc. This is making decision hard, as i dont want them to lose contact with their dad, but then i dont want to give up the dream of moving to oz.
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Old Aug 22nd 2008, 8:43 am
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my boss in Sydney was the same about money, she used to earn $180K and I was her (and others) PA on $45K and all she could talk about to me was meeting a rich man (as in multi-millionaire) becuase she was so sick of being poor.

as for the emigration thing, PP, your post was so heartfelt! My husband is from South Africa and his mother used to be full of comments like "what do you want to move to Australia for, there is just as much crime as SA" and when she would visit she would read aloud signs at the National Park ie: Do Not Leave Your Valuables in the Car". Making her own point - oh, and asking me why I am shutting the windows when we go out!! On her last visit however, she had changed her tune and said I understand why young people want to get out of South Africa and recently she even said to my husband on the phone "we should get Leanne (husband's sister) out there". Incredible - though things are changing fast in SA. Anyway my point was going to be that in some countries parents (and only in some cases of course - my disclaimer there) actually want their children to make another life.
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Originally Posted by Alborg
Just wandered how everybody felt about leaving their parents behind when emmigrating? How do you deal with it and justify your move in your mind knowing that you will probably see them once a year at the most.

I'm 33 and plan to emmigrate on my own (I already have friends in Oz). My parents are 65. I know I'll be happier in Oz but can't help feeling guilty for leaving my mum especially. Afterall noone knows how long their parents will be around for?

Thoughts/suggestions/encouragement welcome.
My mum and parents in law have been supportive of our move. I do miss having them around so that kids can have a closer relationship with grandparents but we felt that we had to offer our family a better life style and was finding it tough to make ends meat in the UK (its not easy here but we can do lots for free and the climate is wonderful for a young family). Whenever we mentioned coming back to the UK our parents raise a lot of concerns about returning.

I just try and hold onto the reasons we came.
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A really thought provoking thread. PP, your experience brought tears to my eyes. thank you for sharing it.

i think so far, i've sort of buried my head in the sand about actually saying goodbye to everyone. all our families on both sides are now, on the whole, really positive about us going. however when we got our visa a few weeks ago it took me a good few hours to be able to tell my family, especially my mum and sister. my mum just said 'oh my god but you said it would be ages yet'. made me realise that although she was ebing positive for my sake, deep down she doesn't want me to go.

as PP said, my parents have managed to raise an independent person and its what we have to do for our young family.
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Originally Posted by Professional Princess
Now theres a question.

When we first decided to emigrate 4 years ago, my parents never even figured in my mind or if they did it was when they featured in my imaginary plans of how I thought I would react when I left them at the security gates when I got on the plane. I would be in tears sometimes when I assumed how I would feel if we ever got our visa.

During those 4 years my Mum died suddenly of lung cancer and it totally rocked my world.

We put our visa application in on Jan 2006 and waited 19 months for a decision - in that time I pushed all thoughts about leaving my Dad.

These thoughts surfaced as time got closer but were never 'real' if you know what I mean.

Then when we got the visa I burst into tears - initially tears of joy and then I was sick (nerves) and then it hit me that I would be leaving my Dad. But it didn't hit me that hard.

Booked the flights and felt devastated but I didn't know why but I felt so devastated it wasn't true.

Dad had 4 years to get used to the idea and he went from being in total denial, to researching every poisonous spider/snake in Australia and phoning me up to warn me. Then he said he would never visit and would go quiet each time Australia was mentioned.

Then came the leaving party - I was stoned out of my head on sleeping tablets that the doctor gave me for not sleeping - stress so didn't have to deal with those pain in the arse emotions. I had started to have dreams about leaving my Dad and they were so hard to deal with.

Then came the day I had to say goodbye to him and that Im afraid was the hardest thing I have ever done and I am quite upset writing this but you did ask how you leave parents behind so I shall tell you.

I was walking towards the station with him and there was an uncomfortable silence. He hugged me and said 'Never forget you have a Daddy in London'. I wanted to cry but I couldn't, hard bitch I was I couldn't cry.

I hugged him at the ticket barriers and said in a fake voice 'I shall give you a call from the hotel' and with that I barged through the barriers and ran on to the train. (Dad later told me 'one minute you were there and the next you were gone' )

I got home and saw my empty little flat with a blow up bed on the floor, mess everywhere, cases everywhere and realised that my life in the UK with my family had in a way gone.

Now that was when it REALLY hit me that I was leaving behind my only remaining parent - I cried for two hours until I was exhausted, I cried for my Mum and I cried for my Dad who I was about to leave and I never ever thought I would stop.

Fast forward nearly 6 months to our new lives in Fremantle.

'People sickness' affected me from the first day. I haven't had time to think too much about it as we came with very little money and I was working after 4 weeks and have been in the same job ever since but at night I still dream of my old Dad standing at the ticket barriers.

My Dad sounds old sometimes on the phone and he hasnt been well and is going into hospital for an operation soon.

I would give anything to have my Mum back yet I left my Dad and nothing or noone could have prepared me for the emotions that came with leaving him and my family. You think you know how you will feel and how you will react but being blunt, you won't know until you do it - noone can tell you how to cope because you won't know until your very own 'parent sickness' kicks in and that is when you realise just how much you love them.

I have dreams that I am trying to run to my Dad and he keeps moving backwards really fast and I can never get him. I dream that I go back to visit him and someone is living in his house and noone knows of him.

If I could change anything, I would have spent more time with him prior to emigrating. I would not have gone on about it when he was clearly having trouble coming to terms with saying goodbye to me. I would have been more patient when he wasn't as chuffed as I was that I was moving.

You get so wrapped up in the whole visa process that you forget others around you. Try and imagine your own kids moving to the other side of the world with the prospect of only seeing them once a year if that. Now add age to that equation - my Dad is 70 next month, so how many years can he fit visits in on his pension?

I would have hugged my Dad more at that station on that day, I would have spent more time with him, I would have looked him in the eye and talked about HIS feelings and not mine for a change and I would have been far more considerate during the whole process.

So why do you leave your parents to emigrate? You do it because they have raised you to be independent and confident enough to take on the world.

How do you leave your parents? You do so with consideration for their emotions and an understanding that it might take them a long time to accept your decision and to 'let go'.

You keep them informed every step of the way, be tolerant that they might not want to eat/live/sleep Australia in the way that you do.

And finally as my friend told me, you don't walk in their shadow - you find your own bit of 'sunshine' to walk in - just remember that it is your life, you will not get a second chance to live it and at the same time you have to understand that you will only ever get one Mum and Dad.

And by striking a healthy balance between your 'one life' and 'one Mum and Dad', you go forward and start your new life by all means, just be prepared that it will be far from easy and the tricks that your emotions can play are not always that nice.

Life is so short and the battle of loving where I live and loving my family is so hard and exhausting.

It is hard, it is painful - is it worth it? Yes, I think it is but noone will ever tell you it is easy.

Good luck.
Just read your story and I think I could have written this myself your situation is similar to mine only that I lost my Dad and left my Mum behind.
Before I left someone did warn me how hard it would be I used to see her everyday you see.I was never quite prepared for how difficult it would be and yes it is tough.
At the moment I am hanging on to the fact that she is coming out for Christmas so looking forward to that one.
This time will be different.
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