Jump or be pushed ??
#1
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2005
Location: Dublin ireland
Posts: 40
Jump or be pushed ??
Living as I do here in Ireland, I have for a very long time considered heading out to Australia for the same reasons that most folks too around here. However of late I have started to wonder if its better to go of my own accord or before I'm pushed. Let me explain.
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
#2
Banned
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 880
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Living as I do here in Ireland, I have for a very long time considered heading out to Australia for the same reasons that most folks too around here. However of late I have started to wonder if its better to go of my own accord or before I'm pushed. Let me explain.
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
Dont forget as stated many times on this site you may well be earning less here in aussie ,so in effect your cost of living may not change percentage wise .Good luck on your decision .
#3
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Living as I do here in Ireland, I have for a very long time considered heading out to Australia for the same reasons that most folks too around here. However of late I have started to wonder if its better to go of my own accord or before I'm pushed. Let me explain.
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
Fairly simple really - well from where I am anyway
#4
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2005
Location: Dublin ireland
Posts: 40
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
im sorry to say but i reckon your thinking of moving for all the wrong reasons
Dont forget as stated many times on this site you may well be earning less here in aussie
do you fancy giving Aus a go?
Another question - how old are you
can you get a visa easily
#6
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2005
Location: Dublin ireland
Posts: 40
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
You only live once and it passes pretty quick
#7
Account Closed
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 8,635
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
[QUOTE=Shadowfox;
I say go for it while you can - lifes too short for what if's
I say go for it while you can - lifes too short for what if's
#8
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Once you start thinking about it it won't go away.
We thought about it three years ago but didn't go for it partly because of things that we read on this site from people who weren't happy.
However the decision not to go didn't stop me from thinking about it and now I have to do it.
I say go for it too
We thought about it three years ago but didn't go for it partly because of things that we read on this site from people who weren't happy.
However the decision not to go didn't stop me from thinking about it and now I have to do it.
I say go for it too
#9
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2005
Location: Darwin, NT
Posts: 380
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Living as I do here in Ireland, I have for a very long time considered heading out to Australia for the same reasons that most folks too around here. However of late I have started to wonder if its better to go of my own accord or before I'm pushed. Let me explain.
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
#10
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Living as I do here in Ireland, I have for a very long time considered heading out to Australia for the same reasons that most folks too around here. However of late I have started to wonder if its better to go of my own accord or before I'm pushed. Let me explain.
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
The Irish economy has been for a long time now been booming. Of that there is no question. Jobs are plentiful and the country is awash with money. Even more so now that the SSIA cash is being fed in as well which is fuelling inflation which makes us uncompetitive. However there are a few things that niggle me. Biggest of these is the fact that the sucess of this country is based sustantially on the construction. When the crash comes (and it will) we as a country will be badly hit. Wages here as well are not keeping up with inflation. New years day is now normal for bus/train/electricity/mortgage increases.
Now I'm no expert but roughly every 30 years give or take the Irish economy on cue goes into a bad recession and we all have to hit the emigrant trail anyway. It happened in the 1950's, then the mid to late 1980's and the next one I reckon is due around 2010.
I have a window of opportunity from now till then but still I wonder and worry. I could buy my own place with just a small mortgage in Australia but can barely afford anything here in Dublin.
Sorry for the rambling
Only my opinion but the friends and family I have, have prospered in the last 20 years and us that are in Engerlund are the poor relatives, but when going back I see the benefit of Irelands success(bigger houses and everyone has new cars) but what they also have is debt and the social probs most of us have seen in uk for 20 yrs. Despite my families advice to take the 7 of us back I would not as Ireland is quickly becoming like the uk(good and the bad). I work in construction and will earn similiar money to in OZ as here ,but feel my family will be happier in OZ, If I were single I may have gone back to Ireland. You'll be right its alot to think about,your decision. No one can ramble like the Irish. Good Luck
Waiting on visa .M&M
#12
Forum Regular
Joined: Feb 2005
Location: London
Posts: 239
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Shadowfox
Im from Finglas in Dublin and left there 13 years ago - before the big celtic tiger thing. I have lived in London for that time and we are now looking to move to Australia.
I have to tell you that when I return to Dublin I am so glad that I left, Its very very expensive and for what? The public transport is a joke, the roads which were recently built (M50) are too small already and people do not have money, they are all living on over inflated equity.
I am raising a little family of 3 children and have to say that we have more amenities here in London for them also and the schoold are not so archaic.
Now when it comes to Australia - at least you can afford to buy a house and the sunshine!!!! My family who have moved to Melbourne from Artane wouldnt move back there in a fit and have got jobs in Australia that they would not have got in Australia because its all about 'who' you know in Dublin
Im sure you will make the right decision, as an Irish expat Id say jump with both feet and dont look back.
Louise xxxxx
Im from Finglas in Dublin and left there 13 years ago - before the big celtic tiger thing. I have lived in London for that time and we are now looking to move to Australia.
I have to tell you that when I return to Dublin I am so glad that I left, Its very very expensive and for what? The public transport is a joke, the roads which were recently built (M50) are too small already and people do not have money, they are all living on over inflated equity.
I am raising a little family of 3 children and have to say that we have more amenities here in London for them also and the schoold are not so archaic.
Now when it comes to Australia - at least you can afford to buy a house and the sunshine!!!! My family who have moved to Melbourne from Artane wouldnt move back there in a fit and have got jobs in Australia that they would not have got in Australia because its all about 'who' you know in Dublin
Im sure you will make the right decision, as an Irish expat Id say jump with both feet and dont look back.
Louise xxxxx
#13
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Im from Finglas in Dublin and left there 13 years ago - before the big celtic tiger thing. I have lived in London for that time and we are now looking to move to Australia.
I have to tell you that when I return to Dublin I am so glad that I left, Its very very expensive and for what? The public transport is a joke, the roads which were recently built (M50) are too small already and people do not have money, they are all living on over inflated equity.
I am raising a little family of 3 children and have to say that we have more amenities here in London for them also and the schoold are not so archaic.
I have to tell you that when I return to Dublin I am so glad that I left, Its very very expensive and for what? The public transport is a joke, the roads which were recently built (M50) are too small already and people do not have money, they are all living on over inflated equity.
I am raising a little family of 3 children and have to say that we have more amenities here in London for them also and the schoold are not so archaic.
Are you married to a British citizen?
#14
Forum Regular
Joined: Feb 2005
Location: London
Posts: 239
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Jeremy
I am married to a british citizen - what would the benefits be of me becoming a naturalised Briton? Am I not entitled to the same as a british person being Irish?
Louise
I am married to a british citizen - what would the benefits be of me becoming a naturalised Briton? Am I not entitled to the same as a british person being Irish?
Louise
#15
Re: Jump or be pushed ??
Most importantly, your continued right to return to the United Kingdom depends on the Immigration Rules not changing. It is unlikely to change (as regards Irish citizens) in the short term, but longer term you have no way of knowing what could happen. Your children are of course British but if you're not, then you have no guarantee of being able to join them in the United Kingdom 20-30 years down the line should you wish to do so, if at that point Irish citizens are restricted in their UK residence rights.
Plus, of course, if you are not a British citizen you cannot have a British passport.
The only way to ensure long-term that the United Kingdom remains open to you is to become a naturalised British citizen. You would not lose your Irish citizenship.
The fact you are married to a British citizen means that you can be naturalised even if you plan to emigrate. However if you choose to emigrate beforehand, you cannot normally then be naturalised from overseas.
If you want to apply for naturalisation, you should download form and guide AN from this site:
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/app...msandguidance/
You would also now need to do the Life in the UK test: http://www.lifeintheuktest.gov.uk
The forms and guides don't explain the special immigration status that Irish citizens have in the United Kingdom. Basically, you don't need to show that you hold Indefinite Leave to Remain. If you apply, you should include a covering letter a reference to section 5.3 of this document:
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/doc...ts?view=Binary
This is from the Home Office Nationality Instructions which makes it clear that:
"Citizens of the Irish Republic, whether exercising EEA free movement rights or not, are not normally subject to any form of immigration control on arrival in the UK because of the Republic’s inclusion in the Common Travel Area (s.1(3),Immigration Act 1971)"
Send me a PM if you want more information on the process.
Last edited by JAJ; Jan 6th 2007 at 9:17 pm.