IT jobs in Australia
May 22nd 2003, 7:27 am
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Originally posted by Megalania
Three words: shithouse without walls.
Three words: shithouse without walls.
At least you have a beach, can play cricket, and it doesn't rain 364 days of the year. If Pommie Bastard is miserable in Perth wait till he gets back to this cold, miserable little island.
May 22nd 2003, 7:31 am
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Originally posted by Bluey
At least you have a beach, can play cricket, and it doesn't rain 364 days of the year. If Pommie Bastard is miserable in Perth wait till he gets back to this cold, miserable little island.
At least you have a beach, can play cricket, and it doesn't rain 364 days of the year. If Pommie Bastard is miserable in Perth wait till he gets back to this cold, miserable little island.
May 22nd 2003, 11:38 am
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Hi IT people,
Were any of you IT contractors in the UK ? If so what was the process like for proving you IT skills etc with ACS. Which agents would anyone recommend for this type of application.
Ian
Were any of you IT contractors in the UK ? If so what was the process like for proving you IT skills etc with ACS. Which agents would anyone recommend for this type of application.
Ian
May 22nd 2003, 11:45 am
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'Strangle a Darkie'??? Could you tell us all if you mean by this what it sounds like (Cant believe you posted that Megalania.)
May 22nd 2003, 12:05 pm
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Ok Ok, I guess I'm gonna have learn a little more of the local Lingo.
Sorry for inferring anything untoward about you.
It's still not a phrase you could use over here though.
My own personal method would be to do without the Aeroguard, run away and blame it on someone else. Are we going a little off the thread subject here........
Sorry for inferring anything untoward about you.
It's still not a phrase you could use over here though.
My own personal method would be to do without the Aeroguard, run away and blame it on someone else. Are we going a little off the thread subject here........
May 22nd 2003, 12:10 pm
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Originally posted by Bluey
Ok Ok, I guess I'm gonna have learn a little more of the local Lingo.
Sorry for inferring anything untoward about you.
It's still not a phrase you could use over here though.
My own personal method would be to do without the Aeroguard, run away and blame it on someone else. Are we going a little off the thread subject here........
Ok Ok, I guess I'm gonna have learn a little more of the local Lingo.
Sorry for inferring anything untoward about you.
It's still not a phrase you could use over here though.
My own personal method would be to do without the Aeroguard, run away and blame it on someone else. Are we going a little off the thread subject here........
(By the way, even in Awstralya it is looked down on a bit if you strangle one on your hosts carpet.)
May 22nd 2003, 12:31 pm
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Were any of you IT contractors in the UK ? If so what was the process like for proving you IT skills etc with ACS. Which agents would anyone recommend for this type of application.
May 22nd 2003, 8:03 pm
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I guess there are jobs in the IT market but these days they are specialised in different applications, languages, etc.
I was told that Sydney was flooded with IT people and to head up the coast and I'm not even in OZ yet. When I was in Sydney a few years ago before the big bubble burst I was offered 2 jobs on a WHV.
I'm hoping that Sydney will give up another IT job for me, but I'm guessing that I will be out of work for a few months before that happens.
Most agencies are only sending the best people forward to job as well.....
I was told that Sydney was flooded with IT people and to head up the coast and I'm not even in OZ yet. When I was in Sydney a few years ago before the big bubble burst I was offered 2 jobs on a WHV.
I'm hoping that Sydney will give up another IT job for me, but I'm guessing that I will be out of work for a few months before that happens.
Most agencies are only sending the best people forward to job as well.....
May 22nd 2003, 9:28 pm
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Most agencies are only sending the best people forward to job as well.....
May 22nd 2003, 10:57 pm
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Originally posted by karawara88
A lot of it is not what you know but who you know. !
A lot of it is not what you know but who you know. !
May 22nd 2003, 11:58 pm
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Originally posted by etlniwd
Exactly. And when you arrive as a new immigrant then the chances are that you will know nobody. I have been told by so many people that jobs are found by networking. Basically that means that your skills are practically worthless unless you 'know' somebody. It also means that businesses are reluctant to grow and change by the injection of new blood. The IT industry in Europe is all about 'change' and 'new ideas' in Australia it seems to be more about preserving the status quo.
Exactly. And when you arrive as a new immigrant then the chances are that you will know nobody. I have been told by so many people that jobs are found by networking. Basically that means that your skills are practically worthless unless you 'know' somebody. It also means that businesses are reluctant to grow and change by the injection of new blood. The IT industry in Europe is all about 'change' and 'new ideas' in Australia it seems to be more about preserving the status quo.
May 23rd 2003, 1:05 am
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Originally posted by rapitts
I guess there are jobs in the IT market but these days they are specialised in different applications, languages, etc.
I was told that Sydney was flooded with IT people and to head up the coast and I'm not even in OZ yet. When I was in Sydney a few years ago before the big bubble burst I was offered 2 jobs on a WHV.
I'm hoping that Sydney will give up another IT job for me, but I'm guessing that I will be out of work for a few months before that happens.
Most agencies are only sending the best people forward to job as well.....
I guess there are jobs in the IT market but these days they are specialised in different applications, languages, etc.
I was told that Sydney was flooded with IT people and to head up the coast and I'm not even in OZ yet. When I was in Sydney a few years ago before the big bubble burst I was offered 2 jobs on a WHV.
I'm hoping that Sydney will give up another IT job for me, but I'm guessing that I will be out of work for a few months before that happens.
Most agencies are only sending the best people forward to job as well.....
Reversing my previous statistic - 12% unemployment is 88% employment - that means that almost 9 out of 10 IT people are employed.
However, given the depressed state of the market, it seems you have few choices and it depends on your experience...
If you have specialised skills you'll probably find employment quickly. Examples are:
s/w development .NET, Java, SAP, Peoplesoft
network admin - rollouts with Windows XP networking, WAN experience v.useful (QLD is a big state)
database admin - MS SQL Server is on the rise
If you have more general skills or more non-technical skills you'll probably find it harder to find work. Examples are:
s/w dev. - C/C++ VB, Powerbuilder, Oracle Forms, 'older' skill-set etc.
non-technical - project management, testers, change control.
network admin - novell netwoks, groupwise
db admin - Oracle, Sybase (short demand)
Be prepared to have to wait awhile before you can find employment - pester employment agencies - perhaps build up a possible contacts (through clubs, or friends, family) to see if you can find out work here. Be prepared to be flexible in what you can get - it might seem like a step down at first - but once you prove you're worth you will be able to move up the ranks.
It's hard at first - but it's doable and worth it for the lifestyle.
AndyH
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May 23rd 2003, 2:58 am
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Originally posted by Megalania
IT in Australia is now about return on investment not about cons like "'change' and 'new ideas'".
IT in Australia is now about return on investment not about cons like "'change' and 'new ideas'".
There are so many companies out there who are terrified to take a close look at themselves. They are usually pumped full of jumped up 'managers' who produce very little, constantly doing the same old thing over and over again just because they don't know any better. Unfortunately many companies and individuals in Australia seem to be of this mentality.
Take a close look at Brisbane City Council - it's a classic example. Every time you come across some roadworks in the town you will notice two or three lollipop men directing the traffic, many of them holding up a sign that says nothing more than 'Slow'. On top of that there are usually a couple of 'supervisors' standing around. It doesn't take a genius to work out that that sign could be propped up by a stand (i.e. a piece of metal that doesn't draw a salary). How much does a set of temporary traffic lights costs compared to three men's salary ?
The office environment here is much the same.
May 23rd 2003, 3:02 am
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Originally posted by etlniwd
You are obviously one of those narrow minded types. How do you think you are going to get a return on investment when you bury your head in the sand and refuse to keep up with modern engineering practice ?
There are so many companies out there who are terrified to take a close look at themselves. They are usually pumped full of jumped up 'managers' who produce very little, constantly doing the same old thing over and over again just because they don't know any better. Unfortunately many companies and individuals in Australia seem to be of this mentality.
Take a close look at Brisbane City Council - it's a classic example. Every time you come across some roadworks in the town you will notice two or three lollipop men directing the traffic, many of them holding up a sign that says nothing more than 'Slow'. On top of that there are usually a couple of 'supervisors' standing around. It doesn't take a genius to work out that that sign could be propped up by a stand (i.e. a piece of metal that doesn't draw a salary). How much does a set of temporary traffic lights costs compared to three men's salary ?
The office environment here is much the same.
You are obviously one of those narrow minded types. How do you think you are going to get a return on investment when you bury your head in the sand and refuse to keep up with modern engineering practice ?
There are so many companies out there who are terrified to take a close look at themselves. They are usually pumped full of jumped up 'managers' who produce very little, constantly doing the same old thing over and over again just because they don't know any better. Unfortunately many companies and individuals in Australia seem to be of this mentality.
Take a close look at Brisbane City Council - it's a classic example. Every time you come across some roadworks in the town you will notice two or three lollipop men directing the traffic, many of them holding up a sign that says nothing more than 'Slow'. On top of that there are usually a couple of 'supervisors' standing around. It doesn't take a genius to work out that that sign could be propped up by a stand (i.e. a piece of metal that doesn't draw a salary). How much does a set of temporary traffic lights costs compared to three men's salary ?
The office environment here is much the same.
