job reference
Are there any legal-type bods out there who could tell me whether someone has a right to a reference from an employer? I have a feeling the answer is no. My old boss took my resignation very badly, and is refusing to give me a reference, other than a one-liner to confirm I worked there. It seems so unfair that I could slog my guts out for a company for nearly 10 years, then for petty personal reasons he can completely screw my future job prospects!
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Re: job reference
Originally Posted by buzz
(Post 5049576)
Are there any legal-type bods out there who could tell me whether someone has a right to a reference from an employer? I have a feeling the answer is no. My old boss took my resignation very badly, and is refusing to give me a reference, other than a one-liner to confirm I worked there. It seems so unfair that I could slog my guts out for a company for nearly 10 years, then for petty personal reasons he can completely screw my future job prospects!
:curse: Couldn't you get a reference from a manager? Or somebody else who's a bit higher up in rank than you are? Did you do a lot of work on site, maybe they are willing to give you a reference for the job you've performed. I'm sorry I can't be of any more help, but I remember someone who had the same problem and I think he/she made a statutory declaration (if that's what it's called) and had it legalized by a solicitor. Miranda |
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Re: job reference
Originally Posted by buzz
(Post 5049576)
Are there any legal-type bods out there who could tell me whether someone has a right to a reference from an employer? I have a feeling the answer is no. My old boss took my resignation very badly, and is refusing to give me a reference, other than a one-liner to confirm I worked there. It seems so unfair that I could slog my guts out for a company for nearly 10 years, then for petty personal reasons he can completely screw my future job prospects!
:curse: |
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another post to read, don't know if it's useful for you, but here you go
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...rence+employer http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...rence+employer http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...rence+employer |
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Thanks, both, for your replies.
That's pretty much what I'd suspected (i.e. only have to give a reference stating I worked there). But if I was a potential employer, I would question why a company didn't want to give a full reference - I don't think it gives a good impression. The problem is the company I worked for is only small (hence why my boss was so annoyed when I wanted to leave!), and I was one of the managers, so there isn't really anyone else to ask. Ho hum, spose, I'll just have to hope that I find an understanding new employer....:( |
Re: job reference
Originally Posted by buzz
(Post 5049660)
Thanks, both, for your replies.
That's pretty much what I'd suspected (i.e. only have to give a reference stating I worked there). But if I was a potential employer, I would question why a company didn't want to give a full reference - I don't think it gives a good impression. The problem is the company I worked for is only small (hence why my boss was so annoyed when I wanted to leave!), and I was one of the managers, so there isn't really anyone else to ask. Ho hum, spose, I'll just have to hope that I find an understanding new employer....:( |
Re: job reference
Originally Posted by buzz
(Post 5049660)
Thanks, both, for your replies.
That's pretty much what I'd suspected (i.e. only have to give a reference stating I worked there). But if I was a potential employer, I would question why a company didn't want to give a full reference - I don't think it gives a good impression. The problem is the company I worked for is only small (hence why my boss was so annoyed when I wanted to leave!), and I was one of the managers, so there isn't really anyone else to ask. Ho hum, spose, I'll just have to hope that I find an understanding new employer....:( I once went for a job (in the same organisation) and used references from basically everyone in the department (including my PA and the ladies who did my typing) - I had an......awkward .........relationship with the director but was told in the interview that they were impressed that even the lowly admin girls were willing to sign their name to my cause - which showed them that I was a good team player etc. If anyone applies fopr a job and they have 5-6 references from workmates at a previous organisation it will always give good signs - regardless of whether the manager will put his name on paper! A |
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Originally Posted by AndyR1976
(Post 5049734)
Can I just add that in australia many employers will rely on writted references - it doesn't necesarily matter who they come from (sort of). People know that personalities clash and if your manager/boss won't give you a reference but you have 5 references from your workmates/colleagues then they may consider that to be pretty damn good - certainly whenI look for staff its as important (if not more so) that the new prospective employee could show that he got on with his/her peers and workmates as getting on with the boss.
I once went for a job (in the same organisation) and used references from basically everyone in the department (including my PA and the ladies who did my typing) - I had an......awkward .........relationship with the director but was told in the interview that they were impressed that even the lowly admin girls were willing to sign their name to my cause - which showed them that I was a good team player etc. If anyone applies fopr a job and they have 5-6 references from workmates at a previous organisation it will always give good signs - regardless of whether the manager will put his name on paper! A Hey, I like that - that's a good idea, and I'm sure I can get my ex-colleagues to put in a good word for me. So, do you reckon it's best to be up-front about an 'awkward' relationship right from the start when an employer asks for references? Or maybe its best to say the company has a policy of not giving a full reference? |
Re: job reference
Originally Posted by buzz
(Post 5049793)
Hey, I like that - that's a good idea, and I'm sure I can get my ex-colleagues to put in a good word for me.
So, do you reckon it's best to be up-front about an 'awkward' relationship right from the start when an employer asks for references? Or maybe its best to say the company has a policy of not giving a full reference? |
Re: job reference
Originally Posted by busterboy
(Post 5049805)
Prefer the second idea!
When I apply for jobs (not that I have for a while now) but I simply go to the interview and say - "oh, by the way I have these dozen references from previous colleagues and employers from my last 3 jobs" - they usually skim over them and say "thankyou, thats very impressive" they rarely ever mae call to check them (if ever) and if you are applying in Australia they probably won't anyway becaue of the time difference etc (plus many companies have a block on international calls through their phone systems!) Just wing it and see! Always works for me - I now collect written references from as many people as I can - you never know what you might need 2 years down the line!! |
Re: job reference
Originally Posted by buzz
(Post 5049793)
Hey, I like that - that's a good idea, and I'm sure I can get my ex-colleagues to put in a good word for me.
So, do you reckon it's best to be up-front about an 'awkward' relationship right from the start when an employer asks for references? Or maybe its best to say the company has a policy of not giving a full reference? My problem now is that noone respects me ..... maybe I've lost my edge.....or perhaps I just don't care!! A |
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Right, got my plan of action now!
Its funny, until I came here I'd been in the same job for so long I've completely lost the knack of job applications, interviews etc - it's been quite a learning curve. |
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buzz;
you dont need a letter from your old boss, do a stat dec have it signed & dated by a police person or magistrate thats then legal & your OK |
Re: job reference
Originally Posted by AndyR1976
(Post 5049734)
Can I just add that in australia many employers will rely on writted references - it doesn't necesarily matter who they come from (sort of). People know that personalities clash and if your manager/boss won't give you a reference but you have 5 references from your workmates/colleagues then they may consider that to be pretty damn good - certainly whenI look for staff its as important (if not more so) that the new prospective employee could show that he got on with his/her peers and workmates as getting on with the boss.
I once went for a job (in the same organisation) and used references from basically everyone in the department (including my PA and the ladies who did my typing) - I had an......awkward .........relationship with the director but was told in the interview that they were impressed that even the lowly admin girls were willing to sign their name to my cause - which showed them that I was a good team player etc. If anyone applies fopr a job and they have 5-6 references from workmates at a previous organisation it will always give good signs - regardless of whether the manager will put his name on paper! A As for the quote "the lowly admin girls", I think you will find that admin people are neither lowly, nor girls. I've got over 20 years admin experience and consider myself anything but a lowly girl. What is it you do that you can consider others beneath your position? |
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