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Mate this is nothing new. Aus is not the land of milk and honey and just because you got the stipes doesn't mean companies will fall over themselves in factif you understand tall poppy syndrome you'll *get* the culture here. The more you know the less you show:lol: so what if Aus is behind the times in the workplace. Who cares? If you care too much it will kill you:lol:

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There is no doubt that it is a tool and ploy used by some agents but my experience is that many agents call you often in minutes and an interview organised sooner rather than later.

I was wary of seek due to secondhand stories but I have been pleasantly surprised.

I have never had references taken up prior to actually being offered a job.

I will reiterate that agents make it all too easy. There are stories of people filling in application forms, having to answer STAR type questions this seems like hard work to me - an interview in the main is yours with a cut and paste paragraph and primed CV.

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Depends what jobs you are going for Badge, you try getting into somewhere like Qld Govt with a " cut and paste paragraph and primed CV" :eek: I've seen people submit stuff like that. What they want is an application form and selection criteria, as do many other similar organisations and govt depts. And if you don't submit what they want, you are in the bin.

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I once applied for a government job. It took a week to put together all the info they required and after a few tries I found out through mates in government that usually the jobs are alrady earmarked anyway:rolleyes:

Cut and paste paragraph and a primed CV:rolleyes: - not for the kind of positions I go for:rofl:

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Unfortunately thats often true. After a few years around the place I woukld say that there are some positiions earmarked for specific people, but overall I have experienced more totally open recuritment processes, including some which we have all believed would go a certain way, only to find complete outsiders brought in. Varies from department to department, and even depends to a huge extent on the panel.

Thinking of the thousands of hours I've spent over the last 7 years doing selection criteria I am still :eek: :eek: at the "Cut and paste paragraph and a primed CV" comment :ohmy:

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Yeh, but Badge works on a help desk answering phones and has delisions of grandeur:lol:

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You are absolutely in cloud cukoo land. Why would the Australian tax payers want to fund a lod of courses to help you settle in or whatever it is you feel you need. You got a visa on the basis that you had something to offer Australia, not because of what Australian tax payers could give to you to help you find your feet. It is a tough old world out there and we each have to make our own way in it. I know I am fortunate to have been born into a first world country but even first world countries have their challenges and not everything is handed out on a plate. If you think it is then you need to adjust your mindset.

And I still *really* don't know what you are so upset about. You got a job in two weeks. Charw has been looking for a few weeks. These are not unusual timelines. Lose the victim mentality because it is not endearing.

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Quick tip- don't do any of these in the interview:lol:

http://work911.com/articles/humorinterviews.htm

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I have to agree with Bermudashorts you are delusional !!!

It is nothing to do with the Government.... its the industry. The industry dictates who gets an interview or not, its the industry decides if you are going to get a job or not.... Industry pays the $$.

The government only takes the $$ in the form of tax... they cant make the industry give a job to shuvo27 or anyone else. The government doesn't care if people come and lose their technical edge and go back to their country of origin..... they just replace them with more employable applicants.

Don't confuse a +ve skills outcome with employable success.....The litmus test is the employer who pays the $$.

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They are brilliant :D

An applicant came in wearing only one shoe. She explained that the other shoe was stolen off her foot in the bus."

"He took off his right shoe and sock, removed a medicated foot powder and dusted it on the foot and in the shoe. While he was putting back the shoe and sock, he mentioned that he had to use the powder four times a day, and this was the time."

"... announced she hadn't had lunch and proceeded to eat a hamburger and french fries in the interviewer's office."

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:rofl: I would love these to have been on film:rofl:

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Thank God I don't...is all I can say. In fact IT support/hardware would be my worst nightmare!

I have a lot of time for hardware people.

Pollyana - there is no sodding justice is there!

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What sort of positions do you go for?

I gave up with a government application once as it seemed they were asking the same questions repeatedly..

The primed CV and cut and paste is just to get through to the agent - sometimes there is more work to do later on - but I can see some people taking it very seriously. Depends on the role. The process can vary and I have had STAR questions in an interview but often they just want to see how you respond to the set.

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My post was not about being upset, was there just to warn the people of how they should prepare for the coming days when they will come. Who is asking for taxpayer money to train people? It is the company's responsibility to train new guys and prepare them and then make money using them. So many times we see in news about corporates asking about lack of skilled people for them to recuruit, when there are many experienced engineers working as salesman or cleaners just because they could not impress the agents. You have to understand none these people's 1st language is English and it will take only 2-3 months of working in an english environment to catch up with the fluency. If you give a guy a chance to prove him he will try his best and contribute to the economy,if you just negate him in a phone call, it won't do any good to any party.

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They often do. However if you want the job badly enough then you will jump through whatever hoops are put in front of you in order to get it :thumbup:

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Warn them about what though. That they won't be met off the plane by company representatives queuing up to sign them on? That in fact it might take two weeks to find work? I would think most newcomers would not feel they need a warning about this because most newcomers don't expect everything to be handed to them on a plate when they land.

You said "The industry and the Govt. itself should look at itself and decide how they are gonna welcome us" and then started on about courses and training you expect to be provided with. I can only re-iterate, you got a visa on the basis of what you can give to Australia. Not because Australian tax payers and companies like the look of you and want to spend money on further training for you.

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You're in a line of work you enjoy too which is everything. Not just line, but area too (if that makes sense).

I wouldn't want to jump through hoops when there are less hoops elsewhere!

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If you talk sense, thousends come here on protection visa/ asylum visa showing fake papers, bullshit stories of harassment stories, wallop centerlink money here for years and even work on cash and don't bother about paying tax. I see thousends of drug addicts doing nothing but surviving on doul and you don't have headache about that, but you have problems on where a little investment would contribute 100 times more on the economy and tax return. That's called ignorance.:thumbdown:

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Its not, its called common sense. I didn't waltz straight into a job when I got here, but I didn't blame it on Australian business or on the government. Nor did I expect them to design training courses for me. Doesn't matter where you come from, when you move somewhere else under your own steam as a conscious decision you should accept the responsibility for sorting yourself out when you get there. Its just something that goes along with migration. There are plenty of training courses available to people in Australia, at all levels, why should they design something just for migrants.
Why on earth you should expect the people who live here already to fork out cash from their taxes to help train new arrivals in a multitude of roles. I can't imagine. Its YOUR decision to come and live here, not theirs.

As for bringing drug addicts into it, I can't honestly see what that has to do with training new migrants and helping them get jobs! Nor do you know what anyone thinks about it as its way outside the subjects discussed in this thread

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But the bottom line is? Sorry if it's too agrieved!

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Bottom line is.... There are many immigrants who believe that they have some kind of superior skills...because the media spin and attitude in their countries portray this as been accurate.

Fact is the proof is in the pudding due to past experiences... Industry has determined that this is indeed not the case.

It only business after all.

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..the bottom line to the point I was making there was that the statement has nowt to do with the thread, and I'm still wondering how shuvo27 knows whether any of us have a headache over drug addicts

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If I talk sense? :blink: How did you get onto the subject of asylum seekers and drug addicts from this conversation. I cannot see a link to be honest.

Seriosuly though, I do think you will do a lot better if you knock off the whining and the moaning because people are not going out of their way to help you settle in. I don't know what you were expecting but most of us making this move fully expecting to have to make our own way in life and under my illusions that the government or businesses would be bending over backwards to help us. They have more important things to do, the sooner you realise this the better. Your inability and unwillingness to take responsibility for yourself and your needy attitude just stinks.

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No one was whinning and moaning here for any kind of help, but just pointing out the fact that this is the only place on the earth where "Local Experience" negates a person's years of experience abroad.And if that is the case and the industry is so desperate for skilled labour input in the market, then there could be a bridgeway that would help both the parties. Its really easy to comment like these for some of you sitting in a armchair, but the reality is totally different for people on the other side of the story. And instead of supporting their cause you people would rather waste your tax money for funding druggist junkies on the street or asylum seekers but resist any fruitful approach to solve problems that would help the economy and its future citizens.:thumbdown:

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As I've said before, I can't see on what grounds you can suggest that anyone on here is supporting "druggist junkies". Some maybe, I most certainly do not, and have no time for them.
Also you might do well to remember that many of us sitting in our armchairs have already arrived in Australia as migrants and fought our way into a workplace that liks "local experience". Please don't assume its been easy for us all, because I promise you it hasn't

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however i agree with

9. "... asked to see interviewer's resume to see if the personnel executive was qualified to judge the candidate."

some people which interview the applicate are not qualified to interview you. this happens alot in IT. Tech interview is dont by junior middle level staff

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This happens a lot when seeing recruitment agents that's why companies should do their own recruitment as the agent is often not qualified to interview a specific candidate. I can tell when I start asking questions and the interviewer can't answer:rofl:

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I have experience this at companies, agents are well known to not anything.

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Yeh but at least if its the company then you can decide if you want to work for them and give it your best shot, or not.

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what trade are you?

Germany and UK companies can bin you if they dont like your face, but other places included australia seem to give u a far shot at the job.

I found australian interviewers to be very understanding, and polite. The ones i never got. the guy which interviewed me, emailed me an explained why i didnt get the job. which i thought was very polite.

causeeu dont get this in europe.

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Funny you should say this. I see migrants as having enough to get a tick in the box but I would never say they are all highly skilled, educated or even savvy. Original new topic perhaps?!

There does seem to be a sense of entitlement in many migrants, Brits too.

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16th March 2009 the deludement

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...&postcount=825

17th June 2010. The reality

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=18

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Has it occurred to you that is Australian companies were quite so desperate for skilled migrants that they would have done some of the things you would like them to? Do you think you alone would have come up with this revolutionary idea? Your delusions continue. There are quite enough local candidates and suitable candidates from overseas to slot right in you see and companies are not there to provide charity to new migrants, they are there for the shareholders.

And as to my comfortable arm chair, well if only. I arrived here one month ago yesterday and have nothing much more than an airbed, two mugs, two plates and two suitcases. But we have work and we shall be on our feet soon enough and I am not expecting, and have never expected, to do anything other than make my own way.

Oh and you think you haven't been moaning? I've read four pages of it!

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if Unjustifying the curse of Local experience and treachery of the agents seem moaning to you...then I guess you are one of the agents or you intend to be one...:thumbup:

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Don't you think we've flogged this one to death now mate:sneaky:

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well I think we have an agent here man...he needs flogging

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I hope you're joking cos re-starting a thread to wind people up is not a good idea mate:frown:

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nop..no intention of doing that, rather I didn't have a look at it for a long time..but just saw the last comment by our beloved agent lover accusing me of asking for sympathy...:frown:

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I think BS is a high level accountant, doubt she would have any intrest in being a recruitment agent.

How ever maybe you should accept the fact that you are maybe not as good or as experienced as you think you are. After all I am sure you are only bias towards yourself.