Improving Kids Lives
Jan 27th 2004, 9:48 pm
#16
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Originally posted by mcmercer
Its not one of our reasons for going, however I think that children can benefit from the experience of moving and the skills they need to settle somewhere new and broaden their horizons. There are of course the cases where the upheaval causes problems for the children but its all character building! I'm keen for my daughter to be aware that theres more to the world than she currently experiences, though will be equally keen when in Oz for her to be aware that theres more to the world than Oz.
I know you dont have to emigrate to teach your kids this, I just think a broader mind and perhaps greater flexibility may be a more realistic improvement for children than the expectation of perfect schools, no crime etc etc
Its not one of our reasons for going, however I think that children can benefit from the experience of moving and the skills they need to settle somewhere new and broaden their horizons. There are of course the cases where the upheaval causes problems for the children but its all character building! I'm keen for my daughter to be aware that theres more to the world than she currently experiences, though will be equally keen when in Oz for her to be aware that theres more to the world than Oz.
I know you dont have to emigrate to teach your kids this, I just think a broader mind and perhaps greater flexibility may be a more realistic improvement for children than the expectation of perfect schools, no crime etc etc
That's always what I mean when I say 'adventure'. You put it into words much better!
Jan 27th 2004, 9:51 pm
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Where were you informed that aussies work shorter hours than the British then? Was it the helpful man at Australia house who relieved you of a couple of grand???? [/QUOTE]
No it wasn't from a man at AUS house at all, it was from a friend who move to Brisbane in October, he is a carpenter and is working 6am - 3pm! every day Mon - Friday not weekends, weekends they spend together as a family, doing things as a family, not sitting in waiting for the dad to get home so that maybe just maybe they can watch the telly together whilst it pisses down with rain every week! I never said hubby won't have to work - he wants to work just won't have to work as hard as we won't have a mortgage!!!!!
No it wasn't from a man at AUS house at all, it was from a friend who move to Brisbane in October, he is a carpenter and is working 6am - 3pm! every day Mon - Friday not weekends, weekends they spend together as a family, doing things as a family, not sitting in waiting for the dad to get home so that maybe just maybe they can watch the telly together whilst it pisses down with rain every week! I never said hubby won't have to work - he wants to work just won't have to work as hard as we won't have a mortgage!!!!!
Jan 27th 2004, 9:51 pm
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Originally posted by nosuchluck
Because we won't have a mortgage for one! my hubby won't need to work 6/7 days a week from 5am - 6pm then sometimes even later if he has private work! We will spend time together before our daughter is too old to want to spend time with us!
Because we won't have a mortgage for one! my hubby won't need to work 6/7 days a week from 5am - 6pm then sometimes even later if he has private work! We will spend time together before our daughter is too old to want to spend time with us!
Jan 27th 2004, 9:51 pm
#19
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Originally posted by Simone82
Ok, maybe less stressed parents will raise better kids, but my parents were stressed enough in Oz(mum homesick for one) and they still managed to raise balanced kids!
Ok, maybe less stressed parents will raise better kids, but my parents were stressed enough in Oz(mum homesick for one) and they still managed to raise balanced kids!
Where is the evidence to support that claim ?
Does a balanced child spend half their life on Expats site ?
Jan 27th 2004, 9:52 pm
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Originally posted by j hamilton
I totally agree with you, if there opportunity is there, take it. There is nothing worse than breathing in the beautifiul Liverpool traffic fumes on a stressful work day in the teams of rain. The constant traffice jam when wanting to take the kids out on a bank holiday. Its not just about sunshine, but most people in this part of the world always feel better when its sunny, kids and all.
I totally agree with you, if there opportunity is there, take it. There is nothing worse than breathing in the beautifiul Liverpool traffic fumes on a stressful work day in the teams of rain. The constant traffice jam when wanting to take the kids out on a bank holiday. Its not just about sunshine, but most people in this part of the world always feel better when its sunny, kids and all.
You belong to the" Aus has no problems" club, but then again being a scouser you must be desperate to cling to a dream of a promised land.
Jan 27th 2004, 9:54 pm
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Originally posted by Simone82
Yep, this is a great reason I think!!
That's always what I mean when I say 'adventure'. You put it into words much better!
Yep, this is a great reason I think!!
That's always what I mean when I say 'adventure'. You put it into words much better!
Simone, thats our reason for going, and usually I'd just say adventure too but I have a waffling head on tonight!
Jan 27th 2004, 9:54 pm
#22
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Just wondering if we are mixing to things up:
childhood
life
Better childhood I can usually understand, but a lot of people say the child's whole life will be better!
Or do those people also mean childhood?
childhood
life
Better childhood I can usually understand, but a lot of people say the child's whole life will be better!
Or do those people also mean childhood?
Jan 27th 2004, 9:54 pm
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Originally posted by nosuchluck
Where were you informed that aussies work shorter hours than the British then? Was it the helpful man at Australia house who relieved you of a couple of grand????
Where were you informed that aussies work shorter hours than the British then? Was it the helpful man at Australia house who relieved you of a couple of grand????
Having no mortgage is due to the UK sterling you have, a luxury that your kids once grown up, will not have. They will be as dirt poor as the average aussie and will struggle, so how is that doing it for the kids?
Jan 27th 2004, 9:55 pm
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
same here, i will spend my life working all the hours god sends (as usual) but mrs WBB will be able to look after the house and kids full time (her choice)
the open spaces and fresh air will be great, and not just for the kids.
a view from my bedroom window.
:scared:
the open spaces and fresh air will be great, and not just for the kids.
a view from my bedroom window.
:scared:
Jan 27th 2004, 9:55 pm
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For the Wannabes why do you think they will be better off?
In winter (8-9 months) we come home from work at about 3.30 sort out The Boy,have tea and then us and The Boy read books, draw,play and watch tv. There are no outdoor activities so mixing and playing with other kids is kinda hard. We try to get out as much as possible, country park at weekends, playbarns ect if the weather is crap.
In summer we still come home at the same time, but now we can play outside, go to the parks and mix with other kids ect. Instead of eating indoors (we do try to have it at the table) we have BBQ's and stay outside for as long as possible.
Really we rely so much on the weather. I know its only 1 aspect of life in OZ/NZ but we think it is a big one as to the way you live your lifes.
Drugs, crime, bullying, underfunding and teacher shortages are problems in both countries so what is the reason?
These are problems you will get in any society. You can only hope that you can prepare/educate your kids that somethings are acceptable and others are not. Some will experiment some wont, you can only do your best. Like they say there is no handbook that comes with kids.
What do you all think? Could you have improved your kids lives by moving to an area in the UK with less crime and better schooling?
I cannot put into words what I am really trying to say (bit thick me) but hopefull the outdoor enviroment will give them a more rounded education. If the kids go to Uni. great if not hopefully they would have enjoyed a good outdoor/social life.
Jack
PS Hope all that makes sense.
We live in a quiet village in Nottinghamshire.
Yesterday my neighbour told me her dog had been "dog-napped", our wrought iron gates (weigh a ton) were stolen last summer at 3am by Gypsies, the list goes on.
And the adventure of it all.
Last edited by Jack Daws; Jan 27th 2004 at 10:00 pm.
Jan 27th 2004, 9:59 pm
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Originally posted by WBB
same here, i will spend my life working all the hours god sends (as usual) but mrs WBB will be able to look after the house and kids full time (her choice)
the open spaces and fresh air will be great, and not just for the kids.
a view from my bedroom window.
:scared:
same here, i will spend my life working all the hours god sends (as usual) but mrs WBB will be able to look after the house and kids full time (her choice)
the open spaces and fresh air will be great, and not just for the kids.
a view from my bedroom window.
:scared:
Jan 27th 2004, 9:59 pm
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Originally posted by WBB
same here, i will spend my life working all the hours god sends (as usual) but mrs WBB will be able to look after the house and kids full time (her choice)
the open spaces and fresh air will be great, and not just for the kids.
a view from my bedroom window.
:scared:
same here, i will spend my life working all the hours god sends (as usual) but mrs WBB will be able to look after the house and kids full time (her choice)
the open spaces and fresh air will be great, and not just for the kids.
a view from my bedroom window.
:scared:
If I was an Aussie living in Mt Isa or Copper Pedy i could post pics like that (or worse). Doesnt make all of Aus or all of the UK shit though, does it??? You obvioysly live in a crap part of the UK, I dont, its greener and much more picture perfect here than anything I saw in Aus. Are you seriously saying that oz has no heavy industry that has scarred the landscape???
Jan 27th 2004, 9:59 pm
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Having no mortgage is due to the UK sterling you have, a luxury that your kids once grown up, will not have. They will be as dirt poor as the average aussie and will struggle, so how is that doing it for the kids? [/QUOTE]
Sorry this thread isn't about how much money you will have in the bank is it? Our daughter will have a better start in life, she will have qualities in her that she might not have if we stay here! she will be able to play outside in the open with her friends, and as i said at the beginning because my husband and i will be happier and less stressed then that will rub off on her! I don't agree that she will struggle anymore in Oz than she would in the Uk in her adult life but that will be down to the qualities we have instilled in her as parents
Sorry this thread isn't about how much money you will have in the bank is it? Our daughter will have a better start in life, she will have qualities in her that she might not have if we stay here! she will be able to play outside in the open with her friends, and as i said at the beginning because my husband and i will be happier and less stressed then that will rub off on her! I don't agree that she will struggle anymore in Oz than she would in the Uk in her adult life but that will be down to the qualities we have instilled in her as parents
Jan 27th 2004, 10:00 pm
#29
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Originally posted by Bix
Simone,
Where is the evidence to support that claim ?
Does a balanced child spend half their life on Expats site ?
Simone,
Where is the evidence to support that claim ?
Does a balanced child spend half their life on Expats site ?
I know..... and I'm also going back to Oz and leaving my parents behind.
Can't proove balance I'm afraid...
I do know I've always done very well at school, have now nearly got a bachelors degree, most people find me a nice/friendly person, I've found the love of my life and we're happy, we are financially ok, have a nice flat.......
Only thing that is abit abnormal is that I don't have any/many good friends. But I've moved house 11 times in 20 years, and usually moved town/country then aswell, so you'll get that.
Other problem is I don't think I'll ever feel home somewhere again. Oz and Holland, they're both sort of home......
Jan 27th 2004, 10:00 pm
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Re: Improving Kids Lives
Originally posted by bondipom
Even Ipswich will seem good compared to that.
Even Ipswich will seem good compared to that.