I.T. Market
Apr 9th 2005, 11:41 pm
#46
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Re: I.T. Market
In article <[email protected]> ,
member37134@british_expats.com (gadgetMan) wrote:
> *Subject:* Re: I.T. Market
> *From:* gadgetMan <member37134@british_expats.com>
> *Date:* Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:00:40 +0000
>
>
> > What's the point in getting an IT degree, MCSD qualified & constantly
> > having to keep your skills up to date? I would rather clean toilets
> > than work as a .net developer for $25 / hour.
> >
> > Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
>
> I wouldnt work on helpdesk for that..
>
> As for the IT degree, MCSE/D et all ?? - Whats the point ?- experience
> is the only useful qualification
>
> cheerio
>
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Well we know that but HR people often don't, so will specify a degree
or MCS* - I did mine to stop my resume being thrown in the bin without
even being considered. No-one has ever asked to see my certs. (Also no
agency or employer has asked to see my visa yet).
Paul
member37134@british_expats.com (gadgetMan) wrote:
> *Subject:* Re: I.T. Market
> *From:* gadgetMan <member37134@british_expats.com>
> *Date:* Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:00:40 +0000
>
>
> > What's the point in getting an IT degree, MCSD qualified & constantly
> > having to keep your skills up to date? I would rather clean toilets
> > than work as a .net developer for $25 / hour.
> >
> > Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
>
> I wouldnt work on helpdesk for that..
>
> As for the IT degree, MCSE/D et all ?? - Whats the point ?- experience
> is the only useful qualification
>
> cheerio
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>
Well we know that but HR people often don't, so will specify a degree
or MCS* - I did mine to stop my resume being thrown in the bin without
even being considered. No-one has ever asked to see my certs. (Also no
agency or employer has asked to see my visa yet).
Paul
Apr 10th 2005, 4:08 am
#47
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by kevmitch
As somebody who specialises in recruiting IT professionals into Sydney (in particular) a couple of points to ponder:
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
Be prepared to put some work into finding work is what I say
Apr 10th 2005, 10:38 pm
#48
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by kevmitch
As somebody who specialises in recruiting IT professionals into Sydney (in particular) a couple of points to ponder:
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
I'd be interested to know what 'Australianising' your CV entails. I've got a pretty good CV for here in the UK and have alot of Telecoms based Unix experience.
WHat is the most effective way of looking for work, is it worth sending my CV to agencies before I leave the UK or should I wait until I have a base sorted when I land in Perth?
