I.T. Market
Apr 9th 2005, 2:16 am
#31
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Re: I.T. Market
Not sure what the gen market is like TBH, all I know is my experience which is turn up on day one in Melb, by day two I had three job offers.. I'd done some pre-canvassing in terms of sending the CV before I arrived but got no joy until I was in the country..
So far my experience of others within the industry here has been OK, for the exposure and size of environments they get its what you expect. I just s'pose when someone came along with huge global exposure (150K seat stuff) they snapped him up..
So to sum up, much like the UK, if you have seriously heavyweight experience and exposure you'll have no prob getting a job. However if you have the average sysadmin type experience you'll be in the same boat as the locals..
cheerio
So far my experience of others within the industry here has been OK, for the exposure and size of environments they get its what you expect. I just s'pose when someone came along with huge global exposure (150K seat stuff) they snapped him up..
So to sum up, much like the UK, if you have seriously heavyweight experience and exposure you'll have no prob getting a job. However if you have the average sysadmin type experience you'll be in the same boat as the locals..
cheerio
Apr 9th 2005, 2:17 am
#32
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Re: I.T. Market
There is no job shortly in the Sydney market.
If you have specialised skills in Oracle, Peoplesoft, etc. then you may have a chance but dont expect loads of jobs based on everyday languages/applications since there are hundreds of other people applying for the same job.
Salary prices are dropping due to the amount of IT people in the market like bondipom said, it is because of the media hyper that loads of people headed for an IT career years ago, sadly given false hopes.
When looking for jobs on agency web sites, look at the date it was posted........plus agencies will want the full requirements of the job description, dont even expect a reply from the agency.
If you have specialised skills in Oracle, Peoplesoft, etc. then you may have a chance but dont expect loads of jobs based on everyday languages/applications since there are hundreds of other people applying for the same job.
Salary prices are dropping due to the amount of IT people in the market like bondipom said, it is because of the media hyper that loads of people headed for an IT career years ago, sadly given false hopes.
When looking for jobs on agency web sites, look at the date it was posted........plus agencies will want the full requirements of the job description, dont even expect a reply from the agency.
Apr 9th 2005, 2:38 am
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by gadgetMan
all I know is my experience which is turn up on day one in Melb, by day two I had three job offers..
if you have seriously heavyweight experience and exposure you'll have no prob getting a job. However if you have the average sysadmin type experience you'll be in the same boat as the locals..
cheerio
if you have seriously heavyweight experience and exposure you'll have no prob getting a job. However if you have the average sysadmin type experience you'll be in the same boat as the locals..
cheerio
Scored 9.6 on my smugometer
Cheers,
JTL
Apr 9th 2005, 12:13 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by owieb
I was recently looking for a .NET developer with excellent skills.
I didn't advertise, made a few calls to some people I know at some of the agencies and within the space of a few hours I got 10 CV's through.
I ended up taking someone on for $25ph.
The feedback I was getting (and this is in Perth) was that there are more people out there looking for work than is available; hence people are prepared to work for a lot less.
The rate may have been a bit lower than the true current market, as I don't require people to work from an office. They work from home and manage their own time so I can get an even lower rate because they don't have to work 9 to 5.
I didn't advertise, made a few calls to some people I know at some of the agencies and within the space of a few hours I got 10 CV's through.
I ended up taking someone on for $25ph.
The feedback I was getting (and this is in Perth) was that there are more people out there looking for work than is available; hence people are prepared to work for a lot less.
The rate may have been a bit lower than the true current market, as I don't require people to work from an office. They work from home and manage their own time so I can get an even lower rate because they don't have to work 9 to 5.
What's the point in getting an IT degree, MCSD qualified & constantly having to keep your skills up to date? I would rather clean toilets than work as a .net developer for $25 / hour.
Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
Apr 9th 2005, 2:29 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by Ruptured gonad
What's the point in getting an IT degree, MCSD qualified & constantly having to keep your skills up to date? I would rather clean toilets than work as a .net developer for $25 / hour.
Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
I know it may be seen as disrespectful to all the other proud Gonads out there but it just don't look professional on the top of a CV.
Employers these days don't like people taking sick leave so maybe it sends out the wrong impression ... after all a lot of the job is sitting down.
It's a tight market, anything to get an edge
Good Luck!
Apr 9th 2005, 3:39 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by owieb
I was recently looking for a .NET developer with excellent skills.
I didn't advertise, made a few calls to some people I know at some of the agencies and within the space of a few hours I got 10 CV's through.
I ended up taking someone on for $25ph.
The feedback I was getting (and this is in Perth) was that there are more people out there looking for work than is available; hence people are prepared to work for a lot less.
The rate may have been a bit lower than the true current market, as I don't require people to work from an office. They work from home and manage their own time so I can get an even lower rate because they don't have to work 9 to 5.
I didn't advertise, made a few calls to some people I know at some of the agencies and within the space of a few hours I got 10 CV's through.
I ended up taking someone on for $25ph.
The feedback I was getting (and this is in Perth) was that there are more people out there looking for work than is available; hence people are prepared to work for a lot less.
The rate may have been a bit lower than the true current market, as I don't require people to work from an office. They work from home and manage their own time so I can get an even lower rate because they don't have to work 9 to 5.
You used to own one of those sweat shops in SE asia, didnt you?
Apr 9th 2005, 5:00 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by Ruptured gonad
What's the point in getting an IT degree, MCSD qualified & constantly having to keep your skills up to date? I would rather clean toilets than work as a .net developer for $25 / hour.
Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
As for the IT degree, MCSE/D et all ?? - Whats the point ?- experience is the only useful qualification
cheerio
Apr 9th 2005, 5:44 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by MrsDagboy
You used to own one of those sweat shops in SE asia, didnt you?
I asked the person how much they were expecting and they said $25ph, so I accepted.
Last edited by owieb; Apr 9th 2005 at 5:47 pm.
Apr 9th 2005, 5:55 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by Ruptured gonad
What's the point in getting an IT degree, MCSD qualified & constantly having to keep your skills up to date? I would rather clean toilets than work as a .net developer for $25 / hour.
Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
Don't bother is my advice. We reep what we sow.
. Maybe I should look into cleaning toilets.
Last edited by RReed; Apr 9th 2005 at 6:00 pm.
Apr 9th 2005, 6:12 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Oh well I'm psyched up and ready to take Perth by storm in 3 weeks!
Now how to make my experience sound 'heavyweight'?
Now how to make my experience sound 'heavyweight'?
Apr 9th 2005, 7:41 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
As somebody who specialises in recruiting IT professionals into Sydney (in particular) a couple of points to ponder:
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
Apr 9th 2005, 8:20 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by kevmitch
As somebody who specialises in recruiting IT professionals into Sydney (in particular) a couple of points to ponder:
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
Apr 9th 2005, 8:29 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Originally Posted by kevmitch
As somebody who specialises in recruiting IT professionals into Sydney (in particular) a couple of points to ponder:
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
As new migrants you need to differentiate yourself. Australia it seems has been fast-tracking huge numbers of technically qualified people (I must see the best part of 100 resumes a week from degree (or Masters) qualified, Certified (typically MCSE, CCNA) migrants who are basically unemployable - they have very unrealistic expectations on salaries, roles, or simply lack the communications (written and verbal) skills required. No attempt has been made to 'Australiaise resumes', even if they have, no attempt has been made to tailor the application to the specific job role advertised.An absolute essential requirement is to bring over a portfolio of all your experience, certificates,training etc.
Secondly, whether its expressed or simply implied, there is a 'not proven here' mentality amongst employers - something every new migrant needs to expect and overcome. Most migrants have to expect to take a step back to prove themselves. Once you can build up references (and the Aussies are very very hot on references) from Australia based referees, then the world is you oyster - and you'll find yourself accelerating past many of the long time Australian-based competition - because in general the experience and expertise you've picked up in the UK is either on a much grander/more international scale, or the technologies you've worked with are ahead of the Australian market.
If you want more specific info, feel free to drop me a private message
Kev
Very interesting post. I am a .NET developer and I have all the relevant skills that should make me stand out as I've worked on some fairly major projects. However, I have been trying to update my CV with my experience as well as my qualifications as I thought this might help as lets face it, there are lots of other people out there with equally good qualifications, and from what you are saying then it seems that it would be a prudent to highlight what makes you different from everyone else.
I guess this is why Australian CVs are longer than UK CVs.
Cheers for the information.
Adrian
Apr 9th 2005, 9:13 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
Agreed with Kevmitch
I already trimmed it fearing that emplyers dont have time to go into that Resume Bible of me. I already trimmed it to 3 pages now.
But This is the case, I am running to make my resume 6 pages....
Originally Posted by alrobson
Hi Kev,
I guess this is why Australian CVs are longer than UK CVs.
Cheers for the information.
Adrian
I guess this is why Australian CVs are longer than UK CVs.
Cheers for the information.
Adrian
But This is the case, I am running to make my resume 6 pages....
Apr 9th 2005, 11:41 pm
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Re: I.T. Market
In article <[email protected]> ,
member23585@british_expats.com (5thbeatle) wrote:
> *Subject:* I.T. Market
> *From:* 5thbeatle <member23585@british_expats.com>
> *Date:* Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:29:08 +0000
>
>
> Whilst listening to a local radio station here in Manchester it was
said
> that the I.T. market in Australia is crying out for people. Can anyone
> in the market substantiate this?.
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>
Well it varies depending on your speciality and what city you go to.
I'm in Sydney and if you do AD/Exchange/Citrix/Desktop support there
are plenty of contracts around paying in the region of $50/hour. Having
some design skills helps too, a mate of mine is doing very well as a
contract AD designer. I do IIS admin/design (usually big load
balanced/clustered stuff) with some MS SQL and other stuff on the side
and while there aren't many positions around they do pay quite well.
I'm hoping to work 9 months of the year and earn enough to travel and
holiday for the other three.
On the other hand there are a lot of poorly paid jobs, I've seen some
sysadmin roles advertised at $30k-$40k and wonder how people live in
Sydney on that. I guess you have to live well out of the city and have
a long commute.
Paul
member23585@british_expats.com (5thbeatle) wrote:
> *Subject:* I.T. Market
> *From:* 5thbeatle <member23585@british_expats.com>
> *Date:* Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:29:08 +0000
>
>
> Whilst listening to a local radio station here in Manchester it was
said
> that the I.T. market in Australia is crying out for people. Can anyone
> in the market substantiate this?.
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>
Well it varies depending on your speciality and what city you go to.
I'm in Sydney and if you do AD/Exchange/Citrix/Desktop support there
are plenty of contracts around paying in the region of $50/hour. Having
some design skills helps too, a mate of mine is doing very well as a
contract AD designer. I do IIS admin/design (usually big load
balanced/clustered stuff) with some MS SQL and other stuff on the side
and while there aren't many positions around they do pay quite well.
I'm hoping to work 9 months of the year and earn enough to travel and
holiday for the other three.
On the other hand there are a lot of poorly paid jobs, I've seen some
sysadmin roles advertised at $30k-$40k and wonder how people live in
Sydney on that. I guess you have to live well out of the city and have
a long commute.
Paul
