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How to prove Fluency in one of Australia's Community Languages

Old Oct 19th 2002, 10:16 am
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Question How to prove Fluency in one of Australia's Community Languages

Hi,

I have recently been assessed positively by ACS which means 60 points under Skilled Independent category!!

Now I wish to collect 5 bonus points for my knowledge in one of Australia's Community language. But how do I prove them my fluency (its my mother tongue) in the language? Pls. help. Thanks
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Old Oct 19th 2002, 11:02 am
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Originally posted by saturn:
Now I wish to collect 5 bonus points for my knowledge in one of Australia's Community language. But how do I prove them my fluency (its my mother tongue) in the language?
1) Show documentary proof that your equivalent of an Australian bachelor's degree was taught in an Australian community language. (Note that if you claim points using this method, you will almost surely be required to sit for an IELTS test to prove your English language proficiency)

2) Sit for and pass a NAATI Level 3 Interpreter/Translator test.

This information is available in the Skilled Migration Booklet 6 (1119) which you should have purchased from the DIMIA website.


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Old Oct 20th 2002, 12:15 pm
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Hi Peter,

    > This information is available in the Skilled Migration Booklet 6 (1119)
    > which you should have purchased from the DIMIA website.

It's amazing how often people ask this kind of question. The booklet is
very clear on the language requirement. But it is always worthwhile
pointing out that the NAATI test is a tough test, not to be
underestimated...

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Originally posted by George Lombard:
    Originally posted by ptlabs:
This information is available in the Skilled Migration Booklet 6 (1119) which you should have purchased from the DIMIA website.


It's amazing how often people ask this kind of question. The booklet is very clear on the language requirement. But it is always worthwhile pointing out that the NAATI test is a tough test, not to be underestimated...
Hi George,

Yes, it's amazing how many times this question seems to surface on this forum, and how many times you, Jeremy, Alan and myself supply the same answers over and over again.

You're right, the NAATI Level 3 test is not for the amateur bilingual hobbyist.


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Yes, I have seen this post hundreds of time, but..
for those who could be interested, I wrote myself a letter to my Faculty/School of Exact Sciences, taking exactly a part of the Testamur and adding myself the statement that I did my course subjects completeley in Spanish

We certify that Mr. Blah Blah has has taken up and got through the course of studies of Systems Engineering
IN SPANISH LANGUAGE, thus, obtaining the degree of Systems Engineer (speciality Information Systems) on 08/17/99, according to the detail in order.. blah blah

They agreed to sign it and to put the official seal on it.
I hope this could help.
Carlos


Originally posted by ptlabs:


Hi George,

Yes, it's amazing how many times this question seems to surface on this forum, and how many times you, Jeremy, Alan and myself supply the same answers over and over again.

You're right, the NAATI Level 3 test is not for the amateur bilingual hobbyist.


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Old Oct 20th 2002, 10:25 pm
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The question is what was the main language of your university.

If you have a degree from a university in Spain, or another Spanish
speaking country, it will be acceptable for community language points.

But if you have done a degree at a British university (for example) it
will not be acceptable, even if it was a languages degree and taught
entirely through Spanish.

Jeremy


    >On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:59:42 +0000, carlos kiwi wrote:
    >Yes, I have seen this post hundreds of time, but..
    >for those who could be interested, I wrote myself a letter to my
    >Faculty/School of Exact Sciences, taking exactly a part of the Testamur
    >and adding myself the statement that I did my course subjects
    >completeley in Spanish
    >We certify that Mr. Blah Blah has has taken up and got through the
    >course of studies of Systems Engineering
    >IN SPANISH LANGUAGE, thus, obtaining the degree of Systems Engineer
    >(speciality Information Systems) on 08/17/99, according to the detail in
    >order.. blah blah
    >They agreed to sign it and to put the official seal on it.
    >I hope this could help.
    >Carlos
    >Originally posted by ptlabs:
    >> Hi George,
    >> Yes, it's amazing how many times this question seems to surface on
    >> this forum, and how many times you, Jeremy, Alan and myself supply the
    >> same answers over and over again.
    >> You're right, the NAATI Level 3 test is not for the amateur bilingual
    >> hobbyist.
    >Peter
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Old Oct 21st 2002, 6:31 pm
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Hi, Jeremy
That's true. I am from Argentina (Spanish speaking country)
and all courses from State Universities are taught in Spanish

Carlos

Originally posted by Jaj:
The question is what was the main language of your university.

If you have a degree from a university in Spain, or another Spanish speaking country, it will be acceptable for community language points.

But if you have done a degree at a British university (for example) it will not be acceptable, even if it was a languages degree and taught entirely through Spanish.

Jeremy


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Old Oct 22nd 2002, 3:31 pm
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Hi all,

although it's true that this is an old question, it's not that true
that the answer is always the same. As I am also interested in the
question, I look through old threads and found that George said:

"To get the 5 bonus points you just need to show that your degree was
in the
Swedish medium. For Sweden I am not aware of any degrees for courses
in any
other language, so your degree and academic transcript should be
enough."

Besides, I contacted DIMA and asked if I should send a certificate
from the university, stating that my career had been taught in
Spanish, and they said "it is upto the case oficers descretion whether
the bonus points are issued to you. If the case officer needs more
evidence then they will request more evidence".

So, I'm still wondering what to do. I think that the best course would
be to send the certificate, to shorten the process.

Cheers,

Marcelo
 
Old Oct 23rd 2002, 11:23 am
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You can send the certificate if you wish. It won't do any harm.

But DIMIA ought to be perfectly aware that degrees from Argentine
universities are usually taught through Spanish and as such should
attract community language points. Only if you came from a country
where university education was split between a number of different
languages might this be an issue.

Jeremy

    >On 22 Oct 2002 08:31:03 -0700, [email protected] (Marcelo Mangone) wrote:
    >Hi all,
    >although it's true that this is an old question, it's not that true
    >that the answer is always the same. As I am also interested in the
    >question, I look through old threads and found that George said:
    >"To get the 5 bonus points you just need to show that your degree was
    >in the
    >Swedish medium. For Sweden I am not aware of any degrees for courses
    >in any
    >other language, so your degree and academic transcript should be
    >enough."
    >Besides, I contacted DIMA and asked if I should send a certificate
    >from the university, stating that my career had been taught in
    >Spanish, and they said "it is upto the case oficers descretion whether
    >the bonus points are issued to you. If the case officer needs more
    >evidence then they will request more evidence".
    >So, I'm still wondering what to do. I think that the best course would
    >be to send the certificate, to shorten the process.
    >Cheers,
    >Marcelo
 

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