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Alfresco Jul 3rd 2014 12:08 pm

Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 
I have been living in my own house since September 2013 and my electricity bill is averaging $350 every two months i.e. $175 a month. My hot water system is on 24/7 and I only really need it piping hot (60°C) in the morning to shower etc...

What are my options in having a timer installed to switch it off during the day and only heat up again in the early hours?

Amazulu Jul 3rd 2014 1:02 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 

Originally Posted by Alfresco (Post 11324426)
I have been living in my own house since September 2013 and my electricity bill is averaging $350 every two months i.e. $175 a month. My hot water system is on 24/7 and I only really need it piping hot (60°C) in the morning to shower etc...

What are my options in having a timer installed to switch it off during the day and only heat up again in the early hours?

Some things to consider:
The boiler will use a lot of electricty to warm the water from cold, but relatively little to keep it warm. In your scenario you will be heating the water from cold (or at least cool) every day
Don't you need hot water in the evening?
We have an air source heat pump that is very efficient (nearly as efficient as solar apparently) that was not too expensive to install (subsidised)

quoll Jul 3rd 2014 6:42 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 
Solar hot water with an electric booster? Heat pump? There certainly are off peak deals you can sign up to but we've had dollar for over 30 yrs and it's paid itself off many times over!

Alfresco Jul 3rd 2014 9:11 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11324465)
Some things to consider:
The boiler will use a lot of electricty to warm the water from cold, but relatively little to keep it warm. In your scenario you will be heating the water from cold (or at least cool) every day
Don't you need hot water in the evening?
We have an air source heat pump that is very efficient (nearly as efficient as solar apparently) that was not too expensive to install (subsidised)

Yeah, I've done some research on the pros and cons of having it on and off and energy required to heat from cold etc...

I do need hot in the evening, but not much. Explain a bit more about the air source heat pump please?



Originally Posted by quoll (Post 11324644)
Solar hot water with an electric booster? Heat pump? There certainly are off peak deals you can sign up to but we've had dollar for over 30 yrs and it's paid itself off many times over!

Thanks. I will look into all options. There must be a better and cheaper way than I have now.

Red_V_Roger Jul 3rd 2014 9:12 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 
You could go on to an 'overnight' meter system for the hot water. Its much cheaper, but if you use all your hot water during the day, you wont get any more until the next night - so make sure you have a big tank like 400 litres.

Depending on what State you live in, you need to get a licensed electrician to put a request in to the power company to install the second meter or add the feature to a smart meter (if that's what you already have). In Queensland, its called a 'Form 2'. The power company will then come out and sort the meter and hopefully be kind enough to link your hot water circuit to it, otherwise, you'll need to get the electricians to come back and put the link in for you.

Alfresco Jul 3rd 2014 9:39 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 

Originally Posted by Red_V_Roger (Post 11324743)
You could go on to an 'overnight' meter system for the hot water. Its much cheaper, but if you use all your hot water during the day, you wont get any more until the next night - so make sure you have a big tank like 400 litres.

Depending on what State you live in, you need to get a licensed electrician to put a request in to the power company to install the second meter or add the feature to a smart meter (if that's what you already have). In Queensland, its called a 'Form 2'. The power company will then come out and sort the meter and hopefully be kind enough to link your hot water circuit to it, otherwise, you'll need to get the electricians to come back and put the link in for you.

Thank you and sounds really good.

I am in QLD. I don't use any hot water during the day when at work and hardly any during the day on weekends either, only early mornings to shower really. Washing machine and dishwasher use cold only. Will look into it for sure.

Amazulu Jul 3rd 2014 10:03 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 

Originally Posted by Alfresco (Post 11324741)
Yeah, I've done some research on the pros and cons of having it on and off and energy required to heat from cold etc...

I do need hot in the evening, but not much. Explain a bit more about the air source heat pump please?

Air source heat pumps / Choosing a renewable technology / Generating energy / Home (England) - Energy Saving Trust England

Instant Hot Water Systems, Solar Hot Water Heater, Room Heaters - Stiebel Eltorn

We have a Steibel unit

It works in the opposite way to an air conditioner - takes heat from outside air (even relatively cold air) and is highly efficient

We had ours installed about 7 years ago and it is still going strong. One criticism of the model we have is that it is a bot noisy when operating. Not really a problem as it is on the opposite side of the house but something to be aware of

We got a subsidy off the feds when we installed it - not sure if that is still available

Gibbo Jul 6th 2014 10:22 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 
I've had my hot water on of peak for years. ie heats from 11pm. I have a large tank and never ran out of hot water even when there was 6 living in the house. My bill for hot water is around $45 for 3 months with 2 people in the house.
Forgot to say that the power company did the change over for nothing.

Alfresco Jul 6th 2014 10:27 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 11324785)
Air source heat pumps / Choosing a renewable technology / Generating energy / Home (England) - Energy Saving Trust England

Instant Hot Water Systems, Solar Hot Water Heater, Room Heaters - Stiebel Eltorn

We have a Steibel unit

It works in the opposite way to an air conditioner - takes heat from outside air (even relatively cold air) and is highly efficient

We had ours installed about 7 years ago and it is still going strong. One criticism of the model we have is that it is a bot noisy when operating. Not really a problem as it is on the opposite side of the house but something to be aware of

We got a subsidy off the feds when we installed it - not sure if that is still available

Thank you. Lots to think about and will check it out.



Originally Posted by Gibbo (Post 11327978)
I've had my hot water on of peak for years. ie heats from 11pm. I have a large tank and never ran out of hot water even when there was 6 living in the house. My bill for hot water is around $45 for 3 months with 2 people in the house.

Thank you.

spuddyo Jul 7th 2014 10:10 am

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 
You need to get an off off peak tariff from your electricity supplier and then install a timer that only supplies the hot water tank overnight. A manual switch will let you put it on during the day when for you have visitors etc and need extra hot water.

Many suppliers won't offer an off peak tariff unless you ask for it, but it should be available and will save you money. Laundry can be done at night etc to save cash.

Alfresco Jul 7th 2014 5:10 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 

Originally Posted by spuddyo (Post 11328801)
You need to get an off off peak tariff from your electricity supplier and then install a timer that only supplies the hot water tank overnight. A manual switch will let you put it on during the day when for you have visitors etc and need extra hot water.

Many suppliers won't offer an off peak tariff unless you ask for it, but it should be available and will save you money. Laundry can be done at night etc to save cash.

Cheers. Will be looking into all of this soon. I was hoping it would simple like that. :thumbup:

Amazulu Jul 7th 2014 6:05 pm

Re: Hot water system timer to save electricity?
 

Originally Posted by Alfresco (Post 11329120)
Cheers. Will be looking into all of this soon. I was hoping it would simple like that. :thumbup:

If you have the money, it might be worth investing in a more efficient boiler too

Plus i"m sure that there are some pretty smart controllers out there that can be controlled/monitored via smartphone etc


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