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Homesickness
To all of you who have already made the move...how did u deal with the homesickness? I have been in oz 3 months and I still can't deal with it, I miss my family so much that sometimes I just sit and cry for hours. We moved here cuz my hubbys from here and wanted to come home, i expected it to be easier than what it has been. I havent been able to work cuz I'm still waiting for residency and I don't know when I'll get that cuz I've had a health scare so they won't give me it until that gets sorted. Everyone on here seems to really like australia and the way of life and Im really envious because at the minute I don't. I really want to like it but I'm just so miserable! I have no friends although maybe that'll happen when I start working. sorry to ramble but I just want to know if anyone else has felt like this and how it turned out for them. Thanks
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Originally posted by Lany To all of you who have already made the move...how did u deal with the homesickness? I have been in oz 3 months and I still can't deal with it, I miss my family so much that sometimes I just sit and cry for hours. We moved here cuz my hubbys from here and wanted to come home, i expected it to be easier than what it has been. I havent been able to work cuz I'm still waiting for residency and I don't know when I'll get that cuz I've had a health scare so they won't give me it until that gets sorted. Everyone on here seems to really like australia and the way of life and Im really envious because at the minute I don't. I really want to like it but I'm just so miserable! I have no friends although maybe that'll happen when I start working. sorry to ramble but I just want to know if anyone else has felt like this and how it turned out for them. Thanks i am still over here in the Uk but feel so sorry for you, is it just you and your husband over there? does he have family there that you could mix with and join there social circle? how about joining a gym, or even a library so you will be mixing with people? i hope that things work out for you, best wishes rach ;) |
Lany, i was in the exact same postition as you 2yrs ago. I married a NZer and we moved htere so he could go home. I never did like it in NZ. I also felt very lonely and isolated. All i can say is that it DOES get easier. We have now left NZ and live in Adelaide, but i am also in the same position you are in now. I am waiting for residency, so cannot work either. The difference being that i love it here. OK, i dont know many people at all, but since i have done this cenario once before, i have learnt a lesson. I am gonna use this time on my hands to sort out other issues in my life (weight loss) I have promised myself that i will go out and explore my new surroundings and get to know the place.
As for missng family and friends, yes, i can understand that, but you have to realise, that unless YOU make the effort to find new friends you will always be lonely. People dont drop themselves at your feet, you have to push your way into their lives gently. One of two things will probably happen to you. Either you will never get over the loss of leaving people back home and return, OR, you will gradually build up a new network of people here and setle down. Think about your friends back home. A lot of those friendships took years to develop and you are now starting from scratch, so it wont happen overnight. Best of luck. Shame you not in Adelaide as we could meet up!! |
Lany,
I think everyone goes through that. I am not over in NZ yet but I am dreading the goodbyes and the homesickness. One thing I am going to do is make a folder and with all the newpaper cuttings etc about the things I hate about blighty stick 'em in, then when I get home sick I will open it up and remember why I left. You may want to do the same but use the internet. I know your partner is from Oz but why did you choose there to live? Think about those reasons. But the only real comfort I can give is that from all the research I have done is that it does ease, give it a few more months, they reacon about 6 months to settle properly. And use all the suggestions from the guys who post. Chin up love, it will get better Jo |
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Originally posted by nosuchluck Hi Lany, i am still over here in the Uk but feel so sorry for you, is it just you and your husband over there? does he have family there that you could mix with and join there social circle? how about joining a gym, or even a library so you will be mixing with people? i hope that things work out for you, best wishes rach ;) |
Thanks podgypossum. I c your up as late as I am!!! Glad to hear someone else has felt the same. The one thing I have on my side is I really want to make this work, I don't want to give up and go home. It's hard cuz we're newlyweds and its putting a lot of strain on us me feeling like this.
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Originally posted by Lany Hey rach. yeah hubbys family are here but dnt really have much in common with them. Think I will join something as It's very frustrating sitting in apartment all day when hubbys working. I go out for walks and stuff, lots to see and do in the city, it really is great and I do like melbourne but I just can't get used to being without my family, we're very close. My mums like my best friend and I hate not having that close contact anymore, although my phonebill home is sky high! When are u coming to oz? i really do feel for you and can't even imagine what you are going through, i too am close to my mum and leaving behind my 19 year old daughter but i know that i will have to make the effort to make friends, in a way i expect it to be easier as i have an 11 year old daughter who will have no trouble mixing so i can mix with the other mums. Its a shame that you can't work and you have been poorly but i'm sure as soon as you have residency things will get better for you mate! We only lodged our main app. at the beginning of October so in for a long wait, god knows how long! Can't wait to get away from the stress and grey skies of the Uk, hoping to settle in Brisbane suburbs asap! take care mate, do you have msn? if so let me know and i'll add you as a contact keep smiling it can only get better hugs rach x |
Me and you have a lot in common...we had also been married less than a year when we moved. One good thing about it. Having to spend a lot of time together helps to bond the relationship more...i not saying its all roses as we had some real humdinger rows to start with (mainly due to my homesickness and dislike of my inlaws!!)
I am up late coz its soooo damn hot here!! What sort of things did you used to enjoy doing when you were in the UK? |
Originally posted by podgypossum Me and you have a lot in common...we had also been married less than a year when we moved. One good thing about it. Having to spend a lot of time together helps to bond the relationship more...i not saying its all roses as we had some real humdinger rows to start with (mainly due to my homesickness and dislike of my inlaws!!) I am up late coz its soooo damn hot here!! What sort of things did you used to enjoy doing when you were in the UK? |
'Everyone on here seems to really like australia and the way of life and Im really envious because at the minute I don't.'
Lany Remember a lot of people who post on here are not in Australia yet. Many of them have never been. They may find that The dream is better than the reality. G |
Originally posted by Grayling 'Everyone on here seems to really like australia and the way of life and Im really envious because at the minute I don't.' Lany Remember a lot of people who post on here are not in Australia yet. Many of them have never been. They may find that The dream is better than the reality. G |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lany
To all of you who have already made the move...how did u deal with the homesickness? just to let you know that when i first moved abroad it took me a good year before i even thought of calling my house a home, you just have to work through it and remember the reasons why you moved, although i only lived in the med i flew home twice but this reaffirmed my reasons for going, although i dont think you ever really get over homesickness completley arlene:) :) |
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Hey Lany,
Just read your thread and the replies you've received. Can't really add much as the rest have made some really useful advice and comments. You'll find some really kind people on here and I think maybe some who have moved to Melbourne who you could meet up with when they have their group meets. Although it probably won't cure your homesickness, I bet it will be nice to hear a British accent and talk about loves/hates of the U.K. But I think you should try stick it out the best you can. Maybe give yourself a time scale and push yourself to join groups/classes in the communtiy. You say you love books, why not join a book reading circle, may sound a bit naff but it will get you out and about a bit more. I hope I'm not stepping over the mark when I say this but if you haven't already done this have a chat with hubby about your homesickness. Maybe he can help in introducing you to wives/girlfriends of people he works with. Good luck Tazzy |
Hi Lany,
Pity you are down in Melbourne, or we could've got together; you sound as if you are in very similar circumstances to me. I've come out to Oz to get married (this than a month now!:scared: ). I really wanted to come to Oz, though not by the rose-tinted specs route, I'd visited several times and had a rough idea what to expect. However, nothing prepares you for the difference of actually living here, does it! I've been through a really bad homesick phase - weird, cos I don't want to go back up north. The only way I could deal with it was by telling my Bloke, and by reminding myself why I want to be in Oz, and all the reasons why I moved. I get on OK with his family, but thats not how friends are made is it - see if you can get anyone from the forum to meet up with you; I don't know where in Melbourne you are but there are loads of people down there. One of my luckiest moments was the fact that Mrs Dagboy met up with me when I arrived - gave me a life outside the family, which is wht you miss from the UK. Don't give up, stick it out, I know you say you're more an indoor type, so am I, but even if you just go to the pool or something, try and find somewhere that gets you out each day; or go to the beach, take a deep breath and speak to the person sitting next to you. I'm quite a shy person but I've found that Aussies are very friendly even when they are complete strangers. As Tazzy says, see if you can meet with people your husband works with - try anything!! I really do know how you feel - its quite normal, I can assure you of that! PM me if you like:) And have a think about that idea of JoB's - start a "why I came here scrapbook" - I think thats fabulous, may well do it myself! Take care and keep smiling - remember, at lest you're with your hubby!!! Pollyana |
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Originally posted by Lany To all of you who have already made the move...how did u deal with the homesickness? I have been in oz 3 months and I still can't deal with it, I miss my family so much that sometimes I just sit and cry for hours. We moved here cuz my hubbys from here and wanted to come home, i expected it to be easier than what it has been. I havent been able to work cuz I'm still waiting for residency and I don't know when I'll get that cuz I've had a health scare so they won't give me it until that gets sorted. Everyone on here seems to really like australia and the way of life and Im really envious because at the minute I don't. I really want to like it but I'm just so miserable! I have no friends although maybe that'll happen when I start working. sorry to ramble but I just want to know if anyone else has felt like this and how it turned out for them. Thanks Will never disappear, I've seen that road before. It always leads me here, leads me to your door. The wild and windy night that the rain washed away, has left a pool of tears crying for the day. Why leave me standing here, let me know the way. Many times I've been alone and many times I've cried. Anyway you've always known the many ways I've tried. But still they lead me back to the long, winding road. You left me waiting here a long, long time ago. Don't keep me standing here, lead me to your door. |
Originally posted by Pollyana Hi Lany, Pity you are down in Melbourne, or we could've got together; you sound as if you are in very similar circumstances to me. I've come out to Oz to get married (this than a month now!:scared: ). I really wanted to come to Oz, though not by the rose-tinted specs route, I'd visited several times and had a rough idea what to expect. However, nothing prepares you for the difference of actually living here, does it! I've been through a really bad homesick phase - weird, cos I don't want to go back up north. The only way I could deal with it was by telling my Bloke, and by reminding myself why I want to be in Oz, and all the reasons why I moved. I get on OK with his family, but thats not how friends are made is it - see if you can get anyone from the forum to meet up with you; I don't know where in Melbourne you are but there are loads of people down there. One of my luckiest moments was the fact that Mrs Dagboy met up with me when I arrived - gave me a life outside the family, which is wht you miss from the UK. Don't give up, stick it out, I know you say you're more an indoor type, so am I, but even if you just go to the pool or something, try and find somewhere that gets you out each day; or go to the beach, take a deep breath and speak to the person sitting next to you. I'm quite a shy person but I've found that Aussies are very friendly even when they are complete strangers. As Tazzy says, see if you can meet with people your husband works with - try anything!! I really do know how you feel - its quite normal, I can assure you of that! PM me if you like:) And have a think about that idea of JoB's - start a "why I came here scrapbook" - I think thats fabulous, may well do it myself! Take care and keep smiling - remember, at lest you're with your hubby!!! Pollyana I reckon Pollyana's idea is a good one, pluck up the courage to speak to someone sitting near you when you next visit the beach. I've visited my sister in Adelaide twice and been really impressed with how friendly, and interested, people have been when they hear my Yorkshire accent. When I walked along to the nearest shops from my sister's house, I couldn't resist saying g'day to people out in their gardens as I passed by, which gave me loads of opportunities to speak to the locals (although if I'd stopped, I would probably never have got to the shops!) It's easier if you come from somewhere friendly (I do - I've had real trouble explaining to the kids why they shouldn't speak to strangers when people say hello to me all the time that I don't know - and I answer them!) but you can do it if you take a deep breath as Pollyana says. Most of my friendships here started with a chance conversation, when I think about it, even the deepest friendships have to start somewhere. That person by the beach could become your new best friend. Hope things improve for you - keep posting and let us know how you're doing, you'll always find some encouragement and support on the forum. All the best, Elaine:D |
Originally posted by Pollyana Hi Lany, Pity you are down in Melbourne, or we could've got together; you sound as if you are in very similar circumstances to me. I've come out to Oz to get married (this than a month now!:scared: ). I really wanted to come to Oz, though not by the rose-tinted specs route, I'd visited several times and had a rough idea what to expect. However, nothing prepares you for the difference of actually living here, does it! I've been through a really bad homesick phase - weird, cos I don't want to go back up north. The only way I could deal with it was by telling my Bloke, and by reminding myself why I want to be in Oz, and all the reasons why I moved. I get on OK with his family, but thats not how friends are made is it - see if you can get anyone from the forum to meet up with you; I don't know where in Melbourne you are but there are loads of people down there. One of my luckiest moments was the fact that Mrs Dagboy met up with me when I arrived - gave me a life outside the family, which is wht you miss from the UK. Don't give up, stick it out, I know you say you're more an indoor type, so am I, but even if you just go to the pool or something, try and find somewhere that gets you out each day; or go to the beach, take a deep breath and speak to the person sitting next to you. I'm quite a shy person but I've found that Aussies are very friendly even when they are complete strangers. As Tazzy says, see if you can meet with people your husband works with - try anything!! I really do know how you feel - its quite normal, I can assure you of that! PM me if you like:) And have a think about that idea of JoB's - start a "why I came here scrapbook" - I think thats fabulous, may well do it myself! Take care and keep smiling - remember, at lest you're with your hubby!!! Pollyana Days turn to minutes And minutes to memories Life sweeps away the dreams That we have planned You are young and you are the future So suck it up and tough it out And be the best you can |
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Originally posted by Lany Hey rach. yeah hubbys family are here but dnt really have much in common with them. Think I will join something as It's very frustrating sitting in apartment all day when hubbys working. I go out for walks and stuff, lots to see and do in the city, it really is great and I do like melbourne but I just can't get used to being without my family, we're very close. My mums like my best friend and I hate not having that close contact anymore, although my phonebill home is sky high! When are u coming to oz? A few things - buy a supersaver phone card, usually sold at news agents or petrol stations - my current one is $30 and got me over 900 mins of phone time, brings down the cost of those long chats you need. Check out your local library for local information on what is going on - some even have general meet and greet groups for all sorts of activities (not all super active ones). I agree with all on here about people meeting being a great start. For yourself - Make a list of activities (found from surfing on the web, papers etc) to do around Melbourne - then start doing them, don't let time pass. Do one a week or one a day! Include daft things like seeing how long it takes you to get a bus in and out of town at rush hour (useful for when you work), visit a suburb a week and have a coffee there, it doesn't have to be museums or the like. Take the books you like reading and sit around and watch. What you are doing does not need to be exciting everytime but will expand what you know and force you get up and out for a least a short while. Hunt out the local bookshops for second hand books also books are expensive here so make sure you have a ready supply. Lots of different things work for different people - for me it is not always greener here all the time and being able to have a moan to a mate does help. (I can't moan to my UK peops as they will just say come home) but chatting to the expats is a great start and I hope you meet some of the Melbourne ones soon. Best of Luck |
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Dear Lany
I am sorry to hear that it's tough for you at the moment. I am only in the very early stages of getting to Oz but already know that I will find it very hard to leave my family and friends (in particular - my mum). Having read everyone else's replies I feel relieved to know that this is very much the norm and feel sure you will be able to find some much needed new friends to support you. Hang in there. I am sure the sky will look a little sunnier every day. |
Originally posted by Florida_03 What Pollyana Mellencamp was trying to say... Days turn to minutes And minutes to memories Life sweeps away the dreams That we have planned You are young and you are the future So suck it up and tough it out And be the best you can bugger....whats that song!!!??? keep slipping into 'will you stay tonight' by flock of seagulls or whoever it was seconds turn to minutes and the minutes turn to hours and time slips away... but I know its not that...which JKM is it???? sue:confused: :confused: :confused: |
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When I was 18 I was given the chance to go to America but didn't take it, when I was 23 I was offered another chance and took it with both hands. Wow what a great time I had (apart from splitting up with my boyfriend of two years over there but hey I got over it). Anyway I met my husband, we both worked in the embassy, i was locally engaged and he was on a posting there. We got married and came back to the UK, basically because I did not want to work when we had kids, he couldn't entertain the idea of working as a local in the embassy so we came back. We moved into his small apartment, he then spent every other six weeks away with work (that was six weeks away, then six home and so on), I was so depressed I cried on a regular basis and really thought I had made a big mistake marrying him because I had given up my life in the US to come back to miserable England. Thats what it felt like, you walk around the malls that are full of miserable people. one of the main reason I think is the weather, it is so depressing and whilst we had season in DC, with much more severe weather than we have here (well where I live anyway) it was almost always bright blue sunny skies. We were only 30 miles away from my parents but I hated where we lived, hated the three surrounding towns, hated everything. Eventually we sold the apartment and moved into a house in a village, proceeded to have three children and have now moved away from that village. Still have that feeling that we are missing out and have now decided to at least try and apply for visa for OZ and see how it goes. In all honesty I think it took 5 years to get over the move back to the UK.
One of my bigest concerns when I went to the US was that I was upset because I did not miss my family as much as I thought I would and I was worried because I thought that made me very hard but the truth is that I am used to a slightly transient lifestyle and working in the embassy meant that we had people constantly coming and going, and whilst that means that not all the friendships are longstanding it does not stop you having a brill time whilst you are friends. I hope you meet some people soon, in my experience this will happen when you a) get a job but probably more likely when b) you start a family. Best Wishes |
Hello Rach, yes me too, we all have our moments, and I have had mine, especially missing my daughter and grandchildren, and some very close friends, but they way I have coped with it is by getting out. Walking, shopping, taking a drive, going fishing(something I had no inclination of ever wanting to do) but I really love it, and yes, you actually get to meet and speak to people, either when they have a catch or when a dolphin breezes past etc. Of course they aren't friends, but you are getting to speak to others.
I found that staying at home when you have those moments, is not a good move. I then come home and tell myself all the reasons why we wanted to come here and ask myself again do I really want to go back, and at the moment the answer is definately NO. Try not to get down, I am sure that these moments will come and go for quite some time for all of us, and at least we all have expats to get it off our chest. Whisky |
Originally posted by tiredwithtwins bugger....whats that song!!!??? keep slipping into 'will you stay tonight' by flock of seagulls or whoever it was seconds turn to minutes and the minutes turn to hours and time slips away... but I know its not that...which JKM is it???? sue:confused: :confused: :confused: Scarecrow John Mellencamp Polygram Records 1985 |
Hi Lany,
I to got very homesick, still am but we are returning to the Uk in a few months so it's been pushed to one side. For the people who say that it gets better (homesickness) the longer you are here then they must be the ones that eventually settle and stay. For the ones like me who return maybe it would never go away? I hope everything gets easier for you, but it will be hard. If your love is strong enough for each other then you will be happy in any country and maybe you partner will be happy to move back to the UK? I think once homesickness takes a real hold then it's very hard to shake off. You don't know it's coming but when you get it it's awful and I feel for you. It is right when someone said that 'the dream is far better than the reality' when you get here. For some anyway!:D |
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Originally posted by Mr&MrsPom When I was 18 I was given the chance to go to America but didn't take it, when I was 23 I was offered another chance and took it with both hands. Wow what a great time I had (apart from splitting up with my boyfriend of two years over there but hey I got over it). Anyway I met my husband, we both worked in the embassy, i was locally engaged and he was on a posting there. We got married and came back to the UK, basically because I did not want to work when we had kids, he couldn't entertain the idea of working as a local in the embassy so we came back. We moved into his small apartment, he then spent every other six weeks away with work (that was six weeks away, then six home and so on), I was so depressed I cried on a regular basis and really thought I had made a big mistake marrying him because I had given up my life in the US to come back to miserable England. Thats what it felt like, you walk around the malls that are full of miserable people. one of the main reason I think is the weather, it is so depressing and whilst we had season in DC, with much more severe weather than we have here (well where I live anyway) it was almost always bright blue sunny skies. We were only 30 miles away from my parents but I hated where we lived, hated the three surrounding towns, hated everything. Eventually we sold the apartment and moved into a house in a village, proceeded to have three children and have now moved away from that village. Still have that feeling that we are missing out and have now decided to at least try and apply for visa for OZ and see how it goes. In all honesty I think it took 5 years to get over the move back to the UK. One of my bigest concerns when I went to the US was that I was upset because I did not miss my family as much as I thought I would and I was worried because I thought that made me very hard but the truth is that I am used to a slightly transient lifestyle and working in the embassy meant that we had people constantly coming and going, and whilst that means that not all the friendships are longstanding it does not stop you having a brill time whilst you are friends. I hope you meet some people soon, in my experience this will happen when you a) get a job but probably more likely when b) you start a family. Best Wishes I have a few theories obtained from personal experience. If you've always travelled a bit then you are far more likely to settle down here. If you lived all your life in the same village and your mum lives round the corner I don't fancy your chances! If you come here as a single person, you also have a better chance of settling. All my happy English friends in Sydney (without exception) came whilst single and met and married people when they got here. A good proportion of couples either have one or the other still hankering for home (even after 25 years in some cases!). Also agree that once you have kids you meet more people than you can handle. There are so many things to do and join - Pre-natal classes, Nursing Mothers, Mother/Baby Coffee mornings, Playgroups, School P & C meetings, Tuckshop volunteering. List goes on and on.... |
For people who are maybe reading this post and thinking it's all doom and gloom; not EVERYONE (as has been mentioned several times) gets homesick.
The only homesickness I ever feel is when I think about what would happen if I had to go back to the UK! I break out in a sweat and start having panic attacks. The only cure I've found is to get myself to the beach quickly and stroll along the white sands with the turquoise ocean lapping at my feet, looking at a clear blue sky and feeling a warm breeze on my face! :D |
I have moved around since I was 3 so nowehere has ever felt like home so nowhere to feel homesick for. The parents phone me more than when I was 10 minutes walk away and I e-mail friends regularly.
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Originally posted by nickyc If you've always travelled a bit then you are far more likely to settle down here. If you lived all your life in the same village and your mum lives round the corner I don't fancy your chances! Owieb LOL, you poor thing - love your description :D. Agree with you, not everyone gets homesick, Dagboy doesnt. |
Originally posted by owieb For people who are maybe reading this post and thinking it's all doom and gloom; not EVERYONE (as has been mentioned several times) gets homesick. The only homesickness I ever feel is when I think about what would happen if I had to go back to the UK! I break out in a sweat and start having panic attacks. The only cure I've found is to get myself to the beach quickly and stroll along the white sands with the turquoise ocean lapping at my feet, looking at a clear blue sky and feeling a warm breeze on my face! :D |
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Hi, just wanted to say I can sympathise with what you're going through. We got to Melbourne about a month ago and left behind all our family and friends in the UK. I've found Christmas and new year especially hard as it's the time of year when you see people more than usual and I'm also very close to my mum and it was hard being away from her. We're beginning to settle in and look for jobs and our neighbours have been very friendly. I'm sure it's a matter of time - finding a job and meeting people through that (that's what I'm telling myself too!) and getting out and about, although it can feel very daunting if you know noone. If you want to PM me and have a chat and possibly meet up, let me know.
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Originally posted by nickyc Hope I didn't give anyone that impression. I've never been homesick - not even for a nanosecond. Nothing would induce me to go back to the UK for anything other than a holiday. |
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Originally posted by Lany To all of you who have already made the move...how did u deal with the homesickness? I have been in oz 3 months and I still can't deal with it, I miss my family so much that sometimes I just sit and cry for hours. We moved here cuz my hubbys from here and wanted to come home, i expected it to be easier than what it has been. I havent been able to work cuz I'm still waiting for residency and I don't know when I'll get that cuz I've had a health scare so they won't give me it until that gets sorted. Everyone on here seems to really like australia and the way of life and Im really envious because at the minute I don't. I really want to like it but I'm just so miserable! I have no friends although maybe that'll happen when I start working. sorry to ramble but I just want to know if anyone else has felt like this and how it turned out for them. Thanks Know how you feel. Moved to Melbourne in May and we are still feeling the same. It gets better some days and it was worse over Christmas. We are still staying and just getting on with it. Happy to meet up with you and the hubby/family if you'd like to meet and make friends. Just send an email. Cheers Steve and Julia Melbourne |
I hope all you guys manage to get together in Melbourne... another good thing about this forum, getting to make new friends!!
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Originally posted by owieb Now there's four of us who have never felt homesick, hooray! :D I've never been homesick. I think it's because I make wherever I am my home - wherever I lay my hat and all that. And with a family that lives all over the world anyway, I have a slightly different perspective. |
I think in some cases its not so much missing "home" - cos I already consider Queensland to be home, its a case of missing "familiarity" - both things and people.
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Originally posted by Pollyana I think in some cases its not so much missing "home" - cos I already consider Queensland to be home, its a case of missing "familiarity" - both things and people. Home is based on comfort, having people who care about us and familiarity however...:beer: |
Originally posted by bundy Make it five... |
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