Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Sep 26th 2005, 10:27 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by fugly
bein a bit presumptious here m8. i reckon people do understand.they just dont agree.
wot most of us are sayin is that if someone is taken prisoner then they are taken prisoner under certain rules and regs.
To use ur logic, what about the taliban in there too? why should they be treated differnt than this guy jyst because he's Aus or UK citizen?
the thing is, all of them, talibans and this guy, they were all captured fightin our own people so they have been slammed up and delt with until found innocent or guilty.
Mebbe the argument should be if USA are dealin with it quick enough?
this is a stonger argument rather than this guy should find a loop hole to get out of the shite he got imself into in the first place. and on UK tax payers money
wot most of us are sayin is that if someone is taken prisoner then they are taken prisoner under certain rules and regs.
To use ur logic, what about the taliban in there too? why should they be treated differnt than this guy jyst because he's Aus or UK citizen?
the thing is, all of them, talibans and this guy, they were all captured fightin our own people so they have been slammed up and delt with until found innocent or guilty.
Mebbe the argument should be if USA are dealin with it quick enough?
this is a stonger argument rather than this guy should find a loop hole to get out of the shite he got imself into in the first place. and on UK tax payers money
As unpopular as this may be, but the Taliban were protecting their country from an invading army... whether or not you like the Taliban and what they stood for, Afghanistan was invaded...
Therefore people who fit back are Prisoners of War and should be treated as such..
Sep 26th 2005, 10:29 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by sloake
And if these people are innocent?
if they are so guilty why not try them in a real court instead of a kangeroo court.. were they are bound to be found guilty... so Bush an justify breaking all international laws?
if they are so guilty why not try them in a real court instead of a kangeroo court.. were they are bound to be found guilty... so Bush an justify breaking all international laws?
If he is innocent then he has no worries just sit his time out. Like the article says a military commision will be dealing with him sooner rather than later.
"If" he was trying to use his "training" to kill soldiers then he should face military and not civilian courts. And surely you have seen "a few good men" all he needs is a Tom Cruise style lawyer and all will be dandy.
Sep 26th 2005, 10:32 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by seang
And surely you have seen "a few good men" all he needs is a Tom Cruise style lawyer and all will be dandy.
even Hick's lawyer.. a military man.. has said Hicks will not get a fair trial, hence his idea of getting him a UK citzenship...
Sep 26th 2005, 10:32 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by Amazulu
How do you know they are not guilty?.
I've been doing a bit of research on this terrorist pr*ck Hicks:
He fought in Kosovo with the mussies there,
He fought in Kashmir,
He joined the taliban in Afghanistan in 2001,
He received al-Qaeda training there,
He fired on US forces.
I reckon he's lucky that he will not face the death penalty. They should fry his miserable ass, but it's not going to happen. I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.
I've been doing a bit of research on this terrorist pr*ck Hicks:
He fought in Kosovo with the mussies there,
He fought in Kashmir,
He joined the taliban in Afghanistan in 2001,
He received al-Qaeda training there,
He fired on US forces.
I reckon he's lucky that he will not face the death penalty. They should fry his miserable ass, but it's not going to happen. I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.
The contradictions and hypocrisy of Guantanamo justice provides the justification regimes in China, Uzbekistan, Iran, Syria etc need to carry on abusing rights and quelling dissent under the disguise of the war on terror.
Sep 26th 2005, 10:35 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by sloake
As unpopular as this may be, but the Taliban were protecting their country from an invading army... whether or not you like the Taliban and what they stood for, Afghanistan was invaded...
Therefore people who fit back are Prisoners of War and should be treated as such..
Therefore people who fit back are Prisoners of War and should be treated as such..
and to make matters more stupid, he might just get help from the uk [and the tax payer] to defend himself. bloody bonkers
let them all be delt with by usa, Hicks and his mates.
let USA law sort em out and see if they are innocent or guilty.
they werent playin marbles when they were caught thats 4 sure
Sep 26th 2005, 10:38 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by sloake
and this is real life... real people are involved...
even Hick's lawyer.. a military man.. has said Hicks will not get a fair trial, hence his idea of getting him a UK citzenship...
even Hick's lawyer.. a military man.. has said Hicks will not get a fair trial, hence his idea of getting him a UK citzenship...
This guy has been in a lot of wrong places at the wrong time - hasnt he? Maybe he just has a bad tourist adviser?
Sep 26th 2005, 10:40 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by seang
This guy has been in a lot of wrong places at the wrong time - hasnt he? Maybe he just has a bad tourist adviser?
Sep 26th 2005, 10:45 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by seang
This chump has been in a few places spreading "his" and his types war not just one place. UK is trying to get rid of people like this at the moment not take them in.
no one is say whether he is guilty or not.. as personally I dont know.. I wasnt there.. and I am presuming you werent either..
The issue is whether he will get a fair trial, if Mr Blair has enough back bone to stand up to Mr Bush, and demand a fair trial for British citizens, its a shame Mr Howard doesnt have enough guts to demand the same for Aussie citizens.
Sep 26th 2005, 10:53 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by sloake
he's not one of us.. thank god for that.. makes it so much easier to make sure he doesnt a fair trial...
no one is say whether he is guilty or not.. as personally I dont know.. I wasnt there.. and I am presuming you werent either..
The issue is whether he will get a fair trial, if Mr Blair has enough back bone to stand up to Mr Bush, and demand a fair trial for British citizens, its a shame Mr Howard doesnt have enough guts to demand the same for Aussie citizens.
no one is say whether he is guilty or not.. as personally I dont know.. I wasnt there.. and I am presuming you werent either..
The issue is whether he will get a fair trial, if Mr Blair has enough back bone to stand up to Mr Bush, and demand a fair trial for British citizens, its a shame Mr Howard doesnt have enough guts to demand the same for Aussie citizens.
tough luck. People like Hicks should remember this when they go supportin these countries.
one thing 4 sure. i bet his parents are glad hes bein tried by usa and not the taliban even if it is slow.
Sep 26th 2005, 10:53 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by fugly
bein a bit presumptious here m8. i reckon people do understand.they just dont agree.
**nobody has said that they should be tried in an unfair court... they just assume they are guilty and should be punished without a trial.
wot most of us are sayin is that if someone is taken prisoner then they are taken prisoner under certain rules and regs.
**thats the issue... the rules are being made up. For example they were not classified as prisoners as per Geneva convention.
To use ur logic, what about the taliban in there too? why should they be treated differnt than this guy jyst because he's Aus or UK citizen?
**I do not think they should be treated differently
the thing is, all of them, talibans and this guy, they were all captured fightin our own people so they have been slammed up and delt with until found innocent or guilty.
**agreed, but with a fair trial to boot
Mebbe the argument should be if USA are dealin with it quick enough?
**good point....this is another issue
this is a stonger argument rather than this guy should find a loop hole to get out of the shite he got imself into in the first place. and on UK tax payers money
**I am an Australian citizen and a British citizen. I will take advantage of duel citizenship if it allows me to escape an unfair trial. Good on im.
**nobody has said that they should be tried in an unfair court... they just assume they are guilty and should be punished without a trial.
wot most of us are sayin is that if someone is taken prisoner then they are taken prisoner under certain rules and regs.
**thats the issue... the rules are being made up. For example they were not classified as prisoners as per Geneva convention.
To use ur logic, what about the taliban in there too? why should they be treated differnt than this guy jyst because he's Aus or UK citizen?
**I do not think they should be treated differently
the thing is, all of them, talibans and this guy, they were all captured fightin our own people so they have been slammed up and delt with until found innocent or guilty.
**agreed, but with a fair trial to boot
Mebbe the argument should be if USA are dealin with it quick enough?
**good point....this is another issue
this is a stonger argument rather than this guy should find a loop hole to get out of the shite he got imself into in the first place. and on UK tax payers money
**I am an Australian citizen and a British citizen. I will take advantage of duel citizenship if it allows me to escape an unfair trial. Good on im.
Sep 26th 2005, 10:56 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by seang
re: court : The article explains that.(especially around international courts) And I , for one ,agree with it.
If he is innocent then he has no worries just sit his time out. Like the article says a military commision will be dealing with him sooner rather than later.
"If" he was trying to use his "training" to kill soldiers then he should face military and not civilian courts. And surely you have seen "a few good men" all he needs is a Tom Cruise style lawyer and all will be dandy.
If he is innocent then he has no worries just sit his time out. Like the article says a military commision will be dealing with him sooner rather than later.
"If" he was trying to use his "training" to kill soldiers then he should face military and not civilian courts. And surely you have seen "a few good men" all he needs is a Tom Cruise style lawyer and all will be dandy.
Sep 26th 2005, 10:56 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
[QUOTE=fugly]prob is that whenever someone is tried outside our own country system, we can never be sure.
tough luck.QUOTE]
Ah.. so you werent in the free corby group either then?
so if your arrested outside Australia.. its your own fault, dont even think about expecting a fair trial, or your goverment trying to ensure its citizens are treated humanily..
god I hope nothing ever happens to you overseas.
tough luck.QUOTE]
Ah.. so you werent in the free corby group either then?
so if your arrested outside Australia.. its your own fault, dont even think about expecting a fair trial, or your goverment trying to ensure its citizens are treated humanily..
god I hope nothing ever happens to you overseas.
Sep 26th 2005, 10:57 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by jwatsonoz
Military law is only applicable if you do something whilst actually being a prisoner. What you did before is governed by the the Geneva convention. That is why they will not allow them to be classed as prisoners of war
Sep 26th 2005, 11:01 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
Originally Posted by jwatsonoz
getting carried away... this is an assumption
For me it just stinks of someone trying to use the system. Thats why I got abit heated.
Sep 26th 2005, 11:06 am
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Re: Hicks: British Citizenship has more clout?
[QUOTE=sloake]
nope. not wot im sayin m8
what im sayin is, if you go to war on the oposite side and get caught, then you have to expect that country will want to take you to trial. end of
of course i expect your own country to tell you your rights and make sure these are followed.
i dont expect you to cry "unfair" nd then try find loopholes to get out of the shit whilst everyone else goes through the justice system.
this is not a run of the mill case. this guy was caught fightin against uk/usa
he has to expect to face the consequences, under the law of the land he was fightin.
Originally Posted by fugly
prob is that whenever someone is tried outside our own country system, we can never be sure.
tough luck.QUOTE]
Ah.. so you werent in the free corby group either then?
so if your arrested outside Australia.. its your own fault, dont even think about expecting a fair trial, or your goverment trying to ensure its citizens are treated humanily..
god I hope nothing ever happens to you overseas.
tough luck.QUOTE]
Ah.. so you werent in the free corby group either then?
so if your arrested outside Australia.. its your own fault, dont even think about expecting a fair trial, or your goverment trying to ensure its citizens are treated humanily..
god I hope nothing ever happens to you overseas.
what im sayin is, if you go to war on the oposite side and get caught, then you have to expect that country will want to take you to trial. end of
of course i expect your own country to tell you your rights and make sure these are followed.
i dont expect you to cry "unfair" nd then try find loopholes to get out of the shit whilst everyone else goes through the justice system.
this is not a run of the mill case. this guy was caught fightin against uk/usa
he has to expect to face the consequences, under the law of the land he was fightin.