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Help please! Skilled Migration Visa occupations...
This is a really specific question, but I am hoping someone here will either know the answer or know where to find it...
My husband (the main applicant if we were to go ahead) is a Civil Engineer. He did a 2 year HND in Civil Engineering then transferred on to the BSc course. He has a BSc degree in "Civil Engineering". On the skills assessment website, there are two categories of "Engineer": Professional Engineer and Engineering Technologist. Additionally, Civil Engineer and Civil Engineer Technologist are both on the Skills List, however only Civil Engineer is on the Skills in Demand list. How can we find out if he is considered a Professional Engineer or an Engineering Technologist???? For one you apply to the Washington Accord and for the other you apply to the Sydney Accord, so its not something that we can just send in and let them decide. As we only have "Civil Engineer" here I don't know how to distinguish between the two options - and it could mean we have 15 less points than we thought :o( Hope someone might be able to help us... Rachel x |
Very annoyed!! This is silly!
Hi all,
Contrary to my normal behaviour and passive (if not a little sarcastic occasionally) demeanour, I am so annoyed with this process! I realise the rules, regs, assessments etc are there for good reason but they are so difficult to understand. Here are the descriptions of 2 occupations and their skill requirements: Engineer - Civil Engineer 2124-11: Plans, designs, organises and oversees the construction and operation of civil engineering projects such as structural, transportation or hydraulic engineering systems. The entry requirement for this occupation is a bachelor degree or higher qualification. In some instances relevant experience is required in addition to the formal qualification. Registration or licensing may be required. This occupation would require skills to be assessed as per the Washington Accord. Engineer - Civil Engineering Technologist 2128-11: Applies and modifies established engineering practices such as the design and implementation of civil engineering projects. The entry requirement for this occupation is a bachelor degree or higher qualification. In some instances relevant experience is required in addition to the formal qualification. Registration or licensing may be required. This occupation would require skills to be assessed as per the Sydney Accord. Now, the educational requirements are the same, the only difference is the tasks the person does. In England, we don't have two occupations like this - there is just "Civil Engineer" and that person does the first and second list - but not every single task, and not on every contract. You have to know which you are being assessed for, and only the first one is a "Skill in Demand". It is so annoying, and I can't find any way of telling which category my DH fits in to. I have e-mailed NOOSR in the hope they will shed some light, but I won't hold my breath. Oh how demoralising, (hand to forehead, dramatically) I can't take it!!!! Sorry to rant, just practising to be a "whinging pomme" tee hee. Thanks for reading, Rachel x :frown: |
Re: Very annoyed!! This is silly!
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4347762)
Hi all,
Contrary to my normal behaviour and passive (if not a little sarcastic occasionally) demeanour, I am so annoyed with this process! I realise the rules, regs, assessments etc are there for good reason but they are so difficult to understand. Here are the descriptions of 2 occupations and their skill requirements: Engineer - Civil Engineer 2124-11: Plans, designs, organises and oversees the construction and operation of civil engineering projects such as structural, transportation or hydraulic engineering systems. The entry requirement for this occupation is a bachelor degree or higher qualification. In some instances relevant experience is required in addition to the formal qualification. Registration or licensing may be required. This occupation would require skills to be assessed as per the Washington Accord. Engineer - Civil Engineering Technologist 2128-11: Applies and modifies established engineering practices such as the design and implementation of civil engineering projects. The entry requirement for this occupation is a bachelor degree or higher qualification. In some instances relevant experience is required in addition to the formal qualification. Registration or licensing may be required. This occupation would require skills to be assessed as per the Sydney Accord. Now, the educational requirements are the same, the only difference is the tasks the person does. In England, we don't have two occupations like this - there is just "Civil Engineer" and that person does the first and second list - but not every single task, and not on every contract. You have to know which you are being assessed for, and only the first one is a "Skill in Demand". It is so annoying, and I can't find any way of telling which category my DH fits in to. I have e-mailed NOOSR in the hope they will shed some light, but I won't hold my breath. Oh how demoralising, (hand to forehead, dramatically) I can't take it!!!! Sorry to rant, just practising to be a "whinging pomme" tee hee. Thanks for reading, Rachel x :frown: Give an agent a ring they usually give first consultation free. hang in there.!!!! |
Re: Very annoyed!! This is silly!
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4347762)
Hi all,
Contrary to my normal behaviour and passive (if not a little sarcastic occasionally) demeanour, I am so annoyed with this process! I realise the rules, regs, assessments etc are there for good reason but they are so difficult to understand. Here are the descriptions of 2 occupations and their skill requirements: Engineer - Civil Engineer 2124-11: Plans, designs, organises and oversees the construction and operation of civil engineering projects such as structural, transportation or hydraulic engineering systems. The entry requirement for this occupation is a bachelor degree or higher qualification. In some instances relevant experience is required in addition to the formal qualification. Registration or licensing may be required. This occupation would require skills to be assessed as per the Washington Accord. Engineer - Civil Engineering Technologist 2128-11: Applies and modifies established engineering practices such as the design and implementation of civil engineering projects. The entry requirement for this occupation is a bachelor degree or higher qualification. In some instances relevant experience is required in addition to the formal qualification. Registration or licensing may be required. This occupation would require skills to be assessed as per the Sydney Accord. Now, the educational requirements are the same, the only difference is the tasks the person does. In England, we don't have two occupations like this - there is just "Civil Engineer" and that person does the first and second list - but not every single task, and not on every contract. You have to know which you are being assessed for, and only the first one is a "Skill in Demand". It is so annoying, and I can't find any way of telling which category my DH fits in to. I have e-mailed NOOSR in the hope they will shed some light, but I won't hold my breath. Oh how demoralising, (hand to forehead, dramatically) I can't take it!!!! Sorry to rant, just practising to be a "whinging pomme" tee hee. Thanks for reading, Rachel x :frown: Sorry, responded but without words:rofl: Chill please, There are fantastic people here who I am sure will come to your rescue. Good Luck |
Re: Very annoyed!! This is silly!
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4347762)
Now, the educational requirements are the same, the only difference is the tasks the person does. In England, we don't have two occupations like this - there is just "Civil Engineer" and that person does the first and second list - but not every single task, and not on every contract. You have to know which you are being assessed for, and only the first one is a "Skill in Demand".
It is so annoying, and I can't find any way of telling which category my DH fits in to. I have e-mailed NOOSR in the hope they will shed some light, but I won't hold my breath. Oh how demoralising, (hand to forehead, dramatically) I can't take it!!!! Sorry to rant, just practising to be a "whinging pomme" tee hee. Thanks for reading, Rachel x :frown: Make your role fit the criteria and phrase what you have to in order to meet the requirements. Of course not everyone's job exactly fits the criteria to be assessed, not every job in the world with the same title is the same. I'd probably either take up drinking now or meditation. If you think skills assessment is bad, then wait until the rest of it :eek: Try not to be a whinging pom and take it in your stride. Your applying to migrate to the other side of the world and sadly thats gonna mean some paperwork and frustrations. |
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Just select the best one you can..When i applied to acs i choose an entry from the skills list and when i received my passed assessment they had selected a different elective.So choose what you think is best and if the assessing body isnt happy they will change it to another.
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Re: Very annoyed!! This is silly!
Hi all
Thanks for the replies. I feel a little better now, lol. I think the aggravation is being brought out in me by fear that we may not be as "straightforward" as I had been secretly gloating about all afternoon, lol. I have read another document, by the MIA, and that sounds more hopeful. The reason it matters is for the number of points we have - one is on the "in demand" list, one isn't. That's a whopping 15 points difference so I need to know before we even consider being assessed or applying! I am waiting for some replies by e-mail which will hopefully clarify the situation. I am more calm now, and think its time to go to bed! Thanks again everyone, sorry for my momentary lapse in composure! Rachel x |
Re: Very annoyed!! This is silly!
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4348023)
Hi all
Thanks for the replies. I feel a little better now, lol. I think the aggravation is being brought out in me by fear that we may not be as "straightforward" as I had been secretly gloating about all afternoon, lol. I have read another document, by the MIA, and that sounds more hopeful. The reason it matters is for the number of points we have - one is on the "in demand" list, one isn't. That's a whopping 15 points difference so I need to know before we even consider being assessed or applying! I am waiting for some replies by e-mail which will hopefully clarify the situation. I am more calm now, and think its time to go to bed! Thanks again everyone, sorry for my momentary lapse in composure! Rachel x have you looked at the washington and sydney accord websites? If you have an accredited degree on the washington accord then you should get the Civil Engineer, if you have a HNC/HND and some degree's not sure which maybe foundation and bachelor's that is on the Sydney accord then your probably looking at the Technologist level. |
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Originally Posted by showdan
(Post 4348115)
have you looked at the washington and sydney accord websites? If you have an accredited degree on the washington accord then you should get the Civil Engineer, if you have a HNC/HND and some degree's not sure which maybe foundation and bachelor's that is on the Sydney accord then your probably looking at the Technologist level.
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Re: Very annoyed!! This is silly!
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4347762)
Now, the educational requirements are the same, the only difference is the tasks the person does. In England, we don't have two occupations like this - there is just "Civil Engineer" and that person does the first and second list - but not every single task, and not on every contract.
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Re: Help please! Skilled Migration Visa occupations...
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4347459)
My husband (the main applicant if we were to go ahead) is a Civil Engineer. He did a 2 year HND in Civil Engineering then transferred on to the BSc course. He has a BSc degree in "Civil Engineering".
- is his HND accredited by the Engineering Council for Incorporated Engineer? If so, Sydney Accord applies. - is his BSc accredited by the EC-UK for Chartered Engineer? If so, Washington Accord will work. If he wants an IEAUST assessment other than through the Accords, he needs to do a Competency Demonstration Report (CDR). |
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Oh and don't forget to keep every bit of paper and proof and information you produce. Getting the skills assessment and then the visa, does not necessarily get you a job. You may have to reapply for assessment once here before you can get employment.
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Thanks for the link. The Engineers Australia link you to the Engineering Council of Great Britain to check the accreditation of your course, but they refer you on both the Washington and Sydney accord, so both job titles... His course is def. accredited so that's one good thing. The description by IEAUST for Civil Engineer's academic quals is "A four year Australian professional engineering degree... or equivalent" and for Civil Engineering Technologist's is "A three year Australian degree in Engineering Technology... or equivalent". Trouble is, Garry did a 3 year degree in Civil Engineering so we don't know which it is more equivalent to. Hmmm. Need to think more about this, and make sure we know what we are applying on. Rachel PS Good morning by the way, hope everyone healthy and happy today! |
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I just got my assessment from Engineers Australia and I was very perplexed as to which ASCO code and job description I should nominate myself to be assessed for. I was quite surprised that I didn't actually have to fill in what I wanted to be assessed for anywhere on the form. EA take your qualifications and assign you the skill (on the letter they say what you should apply as for immigration purposes).
As I understand it, I think that basically if you have done a uni course that was accredited (e.g. by IEE/IET, IMechE, ICE) then it will prob be on Washington. If you have done a course that is vocational (HNC, etc) then that would prob be Sydney. You can search on the link below for your exact course to see if it is covered under the washington accord (select CEng in the Section drop down). http://www.engc.org.uk/registration/acad/search.aspx |
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Originally Posted by GracieK
(Post 4349493)
I just got my assessment from Engineers Australia and I was very perplexed as to which ASCO code and job description I should nominate myself to be assessed for. I was quite surprised that I didn't actually have to fill in what I wanted to be assessed for anywhere on the form. EA take your qualifications and assign you the skill (on the letter they say what you should apply as for immigration purposes).
As I understand it, I think that basically if you have done a uni course that was accredited (e.g. by IEE/IET, IMechE, ICE) then it will prob be on Washington. If you have done a course that is vocational (HNC, etc) then that would prob be Sydney. You can search on the link below for your exact course to see if it is covered under the washington accord (select CEng in the Section drop down). http://www.engc.org.uk/registration/acad/search.aspx Hope you are well this morning and thanks for trying to help. The CEng section is only for BEng, MEng etc qualifications and my husband has a BSc. On the Immigration website: http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/occupati...er-2124-11.htm It describes the skill level required for a Civil Engineer (Professional) as: Skill level The entry requirement for this occupation is a bachelor degree or higher qualification. In some instances relevant experience is required in addition to the formal qualification. Registration or licensing may be required. This information suggests to me a Bachelors degree is okay, but I am concerned that because DH has a Bachelor of Science instead of a Bachelor of Engineering degree that he wouldn't qualify. Hmmmm, very confusing! More research needed I think :o( Thanks again, Rachel |
Once in Oz, what would a Civil Engineering Technologist do/earn?
Hi
In the UK, we have Civil Engineers. In Australia, it seems they have Civil Engineers and Civil Engineer Technologists and what splits them apart primarily is the qualification they gained at University. My husband would need to migrate as a Civil Engineer Technologist - so does anyone know what jobs he would get/how much they would pay etc? Thanks in advance Rachel |
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mebbe if you haven't already done so send Engineers Australia an email to ask ([email protected])? They were very quick in replying to all my qualms.
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Originally Posted by GracieK
(Post 4349596)
mebbe if you haven't already done so send Engineers Australia an email to ask ([email protected])? They were very quick in replying to all my qualms.
Have just spoken directly to the Eng Council for UK - sadly Garry's BSc is only applicable under the Sydney Accord meaning he can only apply as a Civil Engineering Technologist unless he files a CDR. Am thinking about our options. Do you happen to know what requirements I (as his spouse) need to meet in order to get the 5 bonus points? Thanks Rachel |
Re: Once in Oz, what would a Civil Engineering Technologist do/earn?
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4349581)
Hi
In the UK, we have Civil Engineers. In Australia, it seems they have Civil Engineers and Civil Engineer Technologists and what splits them apart primarily is the qualification they gained at University. My husband would need to migrate as a Civil Engineer Technologist - so does anyone know what jobs he would get/how much they would pay etc? Thanks in advance Rachel drafty The equivalent in Oz has a TAFE diploma (not Uni) WW |
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I'm no expert at all of this, but I am applying for 136 (non modl) and claiming spouse skills and from immi.gov.au you get the 5 points spouse skills if you meet the basic requirements which are;
-under 45 years of age -english language ability -skills assessment for skill on SOL -12/18 months experience on 60pt skill or 2/3 years experience on 40/50pt skills http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...ity-spouse.htm has full details |
Re: Once in Oz, what would a Civil Engineering Technologist do/earn?
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4349581)
Hi
In the UK, we have Civil Engineers. In Australia, it seems they have Civil Engineers and Civil Engineer Technologists and what splits them apart primarily is the qualification they gained at University. My husband would need to migrate as a Civil Engineer Technologist - so does anyone know what jobs he would get/how much they would pay etc? Thanks in advance Rachel the salary range is anything between $30,000 and $200,000+plus....be more specific...what is his current job in uk? |
Re: Once in Oz, what would a Civil Engineering Technologist do/earn?
Originally Posted by wanderingwombat
(Post 4349619)
drafty
The equivalent in Oz has a TAFE diploma (not Uni) WW Unless we are successful with a CDR, we aren't going to have enough points to apply. Its so annoying, because he's doing the job and is plenty qualified in the UK. Big sigh. I'm just giving my baby a big cuddle to cheer me up. Rachel |
Re: Once in Oz, what would a Civil Engineering Technologist do/earn?
Here is a salary survey done by recruitment company Hays.
http://www.hays.com.au/salary/pdfs06...onProperty.pdf |
Re: Once in Oz, what would a Civil Engineering Technologist do/earn?
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4349670)
Thats why I don't understand the Skills Assessment Situation.
Unless we are successful with a CDR, we aren't going to have enough points to apply. Its so annoying, because he's doing the job and is plenty qualified in the UK. Big sigh. I'm just giving my baby a big cuddle to cheer me up. Rachel If your other half's got a degree and is currently working as a civil engineer then he should apply as a professional engineer. It means a slightly different thing in Oz - as in a professional engineer is NOT the same as someone who is CHARTERED (as it is in the UK). I don't have chartership but am a professional angineer and a member of IEAust (but not a chartered engineer). Am I making sense? Sorry, couple of glasses of wine in.... Graham Oh and in terms of wages - my salary is pretty much exactly the same as in the uk but I also get 9% superannuation on top of that, so technically I earn more. Oh, and my company has a roof top pool, has regular bbqs and also has lots of free drinks nights on the roof top terrace - free beer!! They have a civil's department - I'll give you their details if you want...... |
Re: Once in Oz, what would a Civil Engineering Technologist do/earn?
Originally Posted by northerner
(Post 4349726)
Hi Rachel,
If your other half's got a degree and is currently working as a civil engineer then he should apply as a professional engineer. It means a slightly different thing in Oz - as in a professional engineer is NOT the same as someone who is CHARTERED (as it is in the UK). I don't have chartership but am a professional angineer and a member of IEAust (but not a chartered engineer). Am I making sense? Sorry, couple of glasses of wine in.... Graham Oh and in terms of wages - my salary is pretty much exactly the same as in the uk but I also get 9% superannuation on top of that, so technically I earn more. Oh, and my company has a roof top pool, has regular bbqs and also has lots of free drinks nights on the roof top terrace - free beer!! They have a civil's department - I'll give you their details if you want...... Thanks for replying to my e-mail as well (not sure if you knew this was me too?)... Garry's degree is a BSc in Civil Engineering and as such only qualifies under Sydney Accord which assesses him for Technologist. Only a BEng/CEng would be acceptable :o( Your company sounds fantastic, def send me their details please!!!!! You know, its only 12 noon here and I just feel like a large glass of Baileys, this whole dream is so much further away than I thought at this time yesterday (when I hadn't realised the above!). Sigh! Rachel x |
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Originally Posted by GracieK
(Post 4349623)
I'm no expert at all of this, but I am applying for 136 (non modl) and claiming spouse skills and from immi.gov.au you get the 5 points spouse skills if you meet the basic requirements which are;
-under 45 years of age -english language ability -skills assessment for skill on SOL -12/18 months experience on 60pt skill or 2/3 years experience on 40/50pt skills http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...ity-spouse.htm has full details Just as you posted back, I was checking that site - I don't qualify as I am currently a stay at home mum with our baby (6 months old) and previously was a Travel Agent (not on the SOL). Am putting thinking cap back on, may go down CDR route... Thanks for caring! Rachel |
Re: Once in Oz, what would a Civil Engineering Technologist do/earn?
Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4349882)
Hi Graham,
Thanks for replying to my e-mail as well (not sure if you knew this was me too?)... Garry's degree is a BSc in Civil Engineering and as such only qualifies under Sydney Accord which assesses him for Technologist. Only a BEng/CEng would be acceptable :o( Your company sounds fantastic, def send me their details please!!!!! You know, its only 12 noon here and I just feel like a large glass of Baileys, this whole dream is so much further away than I thought at this time yesterday (when I hadn't realised the above!). Sigh! Rachel x Get that Baileys down you and do some more surfing LOL :D Graham |
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Originally Posted by RachandGarry
(Post 4349887)
Hi Gracie,
Just as you posted back, I was checking that site - I don't qualify as I am currently a stay at home mum with our baby (6 months old) and previously was a Travel Agent (not on the SOL). Am putting thinking cap back on, may go down CDR route... Thanks for caring! Rachel Just want to stop this thread and anyone putting any thought in to it for us, it is irrelevant now (with the new information I have). Will post again with new questions when ready! Thanks to all for your contributions. Rachel |
Re: Help please! Skilled Migration Visa occupations...
Originally Posted by JAJ
(Post 4348815)
Better to ask on the immigration forum, but:
- is his HND accredited by the Engineering Council for Incorporated Engineer? If so, Sydney Accord applies. - is his BSc accredited by the EC-UK for Chartered Engineer? If so, Washington Accord will work. If he wants an IEAUST assessment other than through the Accords, he needs to do a Competency Demonstration Report (CDR). 1) Thanks for that information JAJ, had checked the ECUK website but it was difficult to tell. I have now phoned them and confirmed that both his HND and degree are accredited but only for IEng. This means that unfortunately we would either have to use Sydney Accord (means being a C E Technologist, not on MODL and therefore we don't have enough points) or do a CDR. Still considering our options. 2) Thanks also for mentioning the Immigration Forum, I hadn't even noticed it!!!!!!!! I just assumed it was all one forum, until you said that and I noticed the "Lifestyle & Culture" heading. Doh! Maybe I'm too stupid to migrate after all, lol. I will stop this thread now, as I have gone past the need for this information. Thanks. Rachel |
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