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Originally posted by anya4oz Agree with that fear. But does anyone have any hard and fast stats on relative death rates between 'party drugs' and 'gotta get a fixes'? A year or so I went out pubbing with some mates who were all taking E. OK, so it's their choice, if foolish. However, I was amazed when they complained about my smoking a cigarette! They argued that they were in danger as passive smokers, but that, of course, I wasn't going to get anything nasty from their E. Hmmmmmm...... Anya. ************************************************** ** Most of the party drug deaths are due to the pills being cut with inferior packing substances, rather than pure MDMA. I think they're actually a lot lower than say heroin deaths. Another problem is over-heating, which could be more of a problem in Aus due to the climate. My guess is that amphetamine use is more of an issue, probably a lot of the pills are this, since MDMA is becoming harder to manufacture because of a lack of availiability of the precursors needed to make ecstasy. For instance, when e was first discovered, the precursors were more freely availiable (governments hadn't started to clamp down) and so the es were purer MDMA. Now they could be cut with Ketamine or anything. If you tested the e's they could well be something worse. Anyway, enough of the waffle. Advice for concerned parents Find out as much as possible about what the various drugs do, street names, what should be done if people take them. I would educate my kids as much as possible, a "Just Say No" approach is rubbish, because it doesn't give the kids strategies to deal with peer pressure etc. this approach tends not to be used in schools as educators have realised it is patronising and doesn't work. Your kids need to know the facts, admitting how "good" drugs make people feel temporarily... but educating them about the wider implications and long term affects. If your kids see people using drugs, they will probably initially only see them enjoying the stuff. They need to come to their own conclusions, with the facts... then it will be much more likely that they will make rational, lasting decisions. There is no point in just shoving it under the carpet, they need to know everything. Drugs are everywhere, they always have been. Just think back to the historic Chinese opium trade etc. they are not just a problem of our time. I would also consider that alchohol has many negative effects - e.g. making people violent etc. which isn't really an issue with pot. So, no point in demonising it... though I don't smoke it myself. BTW My mother developed a real drug phobia when my bro was younger - he was literally hounded and hadn't touched a thing! Make sure you don't do this, or you'll drive them to drugs. Make sure you have a really strong relationship with your kids, so they can tell you everything and anything. Once you start getting judgemental, rather than objective, they will no longer turn to you and could get up to anything. |
Agree with you about the Alcohol Larissa.
We saw very young kids drinking at a campsite and adults drinking quite openly in the middle of Sydney despite it being illegal in most public places. Despite the tough drink driving laws people regularly do it. The pub and club car parks are full. It seems to be another national sport:eek: There was a campaign against domestic violence (often drink related) on TV while we were there. Still drinking is legal isn't it?:rolleyes: G |
never done drugs per se, but when I was 19 was diagnosed as addicted to prescription drugs (I have had arthritis since I was 14 and my local GP prescribed 9 :scared: different drugs to me, 3 of which I got addicted to) Had to go through a 6 month detox programme to come off them and to be honest I wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy. Maybe if kids saw what detox is like (the hallucinations and shakes are the worst part IMHO) it would make them think twice about trying drugs. Just a suggestion !
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I have tried, cannabis,coke,lsd,ecstasy, and the usual sniffing stuff over my years.
The only i thing i do now is cannabis on a recreational basis.Never in front of the kids. Most of the people i work with either take or have taken drugs of some form or another and it's funny how you would never guess they took them. I often get dismayed when people spurt things out like " drugs are drugs and they kill you ". I believe it shows an ignorance on their part.Being parents we try to instill the dangers and pitfalls of drugs to our kids.They know not to touch needles and they have found them in the local park. The very best way of trying to keep your kids on the straight and narrow is through education at an early stage. Personally, i would love to have my own plant :) and if a bit of pot is all our kids end up on then i wont have a problem with that ( as long as it's in moderation ). Probably going to get slammed for that but free speech and all that eh ? Everyone is unique and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.I think this is a good post because as mentioned before ( by someone else ) it is good to be made aware of the " not-so-good" aspects of life in aus. Fore-warned is fore-armed etc. ( spelling ? ) Grayling, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to imply that you are slagging off aus, merely raising an issue that may well have been overlooked by many. Paul |
Be sceptical of progeny showing newfound interest in horticulture.
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Originally posted by anya4oz In that case, Mike, you will need to keep your kids away from the beautiful dreaming spires of Cambridge. ...I worked in the City of London for a long time, and drug use is very common, tolerated and openly indulged amongst the well-paid, middle class, adult workforce. As far as the drugs scene in the UK is concerned, you can run, but you can't hide.... Anya. As for drug abuse amongst the workforce - try the finance sectors in Sydney or Melbourne. No doubt it's the same among all western cities eg NY. Almost from the time I arrived in Oz, I noticed drug taking to be far more public than I ever did in the UK. And I moved from one so-so area in London to a 'good' neighbourhood in Sydney. Apart from one incident in London (in 11+ years), all the other zonked people I encountered were in Sydney - I'm talking in public places, not behind closed doors. Although UK seems to be doing its damndest to catch up - Oz has a strong alcohol-fuelled and drug culture. Been to Nimbin, NSW recently? BTW, I prefer the dreaming spires of Oxford... |
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Originally posted by MikeStanton Really, well I am surprised...not. And how much time have you spent living in a major Oz city - so that you can make some sort of educated comparison? As for drug abuse amongst the workforce - try the finance sectors in Sydney or Melbourne. No doubt it's the same among all western cities eg NY. Almost from the time I arrived in Oz, I noticed drug taking to be far more public than I ever did in the UK. And I moved from one so-so area in London to a 'good' neighbourhood in Sydney. Apart from one incident in London (in 11+ years), all the other zonked people I encountered were in Sydney - I'm talking in public places, not behind closed doors. Although UK seems to be doing its damndest to catch up - Oz has a strong alcohol-fuelled and drug culture. Been to Nimbin, NSW recently? BTW, I prefer the dreaming spires of Oxford... People take drugs everywhere in the world - from the azure blue harbor of Sydney to the the dreamin' spires of my fave university city. It's a fact! Anya. |
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Originally Posted by Peter
I had a cousin who grew it via a sunlamp in the closet of his caravan. Fairly low maintenance plant.
:D So what is the price comparrison between the relative drugs, we have had one already Ecstasy £20 vs $25........1-0 to Australia. LOL |
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In Frankston (suburb of melbourne) the McDonalds ladies toilet had UV light so they couldn't shoot up and the railway station played classical music at top volume to drive the druggies out.
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Originally Posted by Sue from Manchester
In Frankston (suburb of melbourne) the McDonalds ladies toilet had UV light so they couldn't shoot up and the railway station played classical music at top volume to drive the druggies out.
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Originally Posted by Bordy
It was ok until they played Daniel O Donnell, Now nobody goes near the station. :D
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Originally Posted by Deadmeat
If anything would make me turn to drugs it'd be him and Boyzone played alternately in a toilet when I'm trying to concentrate :D
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Originally Posted by Bordy
Now your talking of weapons of mass Destruction.
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Originally Posted by Thrud
So what is the price comparrison between the relative drugs, we have had one already
Ecstasy £20 vs $25........1-0 to Australia. LOL £2-3 vs $25 unless you where buying in 1990 or so I am told |
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Originally Posted by Beegee
I think you'll find that The UK E is far more cheaper than the Aussie E
£2-3 vs $25 unless you where buying in 1990 or so I am told |
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Originally Posted by Deadmeat
I love your avatar man, I can hear the music :D
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Originally Posted by Beegee
I think you'll find that The UK E is far more cheaper than the Aussie E
£2-3 vs $25 unless you where buying in 1990 or so I am told E £3 vs $25 1-0 to UK |
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Western Australian Legislative Council member for the South Metropolitan Region and Shadow Minister for Drug Abuse Strategy, recently visited South Australia to investigate that State's experience with liberalised cannabis laws.
His visit to South Australia was prompted by the WA Labor Government's announcement that it would pursue the decriminalisation of the possession of small amounts (up to 25g) of cannabis, and the cultivation of up to two plants. A summary of his report follows. Wicked Thrud LOL |
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Originally Posted by Thrud
Good one BeeGee
E £3 vs $25 1-0 to UK Going back to the thread and not comparing yep Oz does have a big drug problem. There was a Ironman racer who stood on a needle on Bondi Beach at the start of a race and had to wait quite a long time to find out if He had been infected with HIV. Drugs are everywhere and The War on drugs is not working, even animals take drugs and have for many years. :scared: |
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Originally Posted by Beegee
Didn't want you to get ripped off!! :D
Going back to the thread and not comparing yep Oz does have a big drug problem. There was a Ironman racer who stood on a needle on Bondi Beach at the start of a race and had to wait quite a long time to find out if He had been infected with HIV. Drugs are everywhere and The War on drugs is not working, even animals take drugs and have for many years. :scared: Cannabis is currently priced at $25 per gram, and around $300 per ounce. It is likely that decriminalisation of cultivation of cannabis will lead to an increase in availability and therefore a drop in price. This will mean cannabis - cheap and easy to access - will become more popular among young Western Australians. Not sure of the UK cost, any help anybody, seems a good price to me. Thrud (gimme gimme) |
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[QUOTE=Thrud]Cannabis is currently priced at $25 per gram, and around $300 per ounce. QUOTE]
About £120 an ounce :confused: |
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Cost of cannabis in the UK - a maximum of 2 years imprisonment following a prior formal warning :)
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Originally Posted by Deadmeat
Cost of cannabis in the UK - a maximum of 2 years imprisonment following a prior formal warning :)
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[QUOTE=Beegee]
Originally Posted by Thrud
Cannabis is currently priced at $25 per gram, and around $300 per ounce. QUOTE]
About £120 an ounce :confused: I was quoting ozzy governement figures not sure what the real cost is. Thrud |
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Originally Posted by Thrud
not sure what the real cost is. Thrud
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Originally Posted by Beegee
Paranoia ?:D :D
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The level of drug abuse and the crime rate in Oz is about the same as in the
Uk. Australia has a nicer climate, fantastic beaches, less crowded conjested, more open spaces, but don't expected it to be drug or crime free, after all Australia was a penal colony. :D |
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Originally Posted by Deadmeat
I hear the sounds of rapid back-peddling :D
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Originally Posted by aussie73
The level of drug abuse and the crime rate in Oz is about the same as in the
Uk. Australia has a nicer climate, fantastic beaches, less crowded conjested, more open spaces, but don't expected it to be drug or crime free, after all Australia was a penal colony. :D |
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Originally Posted by aussie73
The level of drug abuse and the crime rate in Oz is about the same as in the
Uk. Australia has a nicer climate, fantastic beaches, less crowded conjested, more open spaces, but don't expected it to be drug or crime free, after all Australia was a penal colony. :D I have heard a few reports of needles in Bondi from the past when it was a bit of a drop out zone. Not seen anything myself and most of the smelly hippies are now priced out of the area. |
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Originally Posted by Deadmeat
Cost of cannabis in the UK - a maximum of 2 years imprisonment following a prior formal warning :)
for personal use. However alot of people on the dole and low incomes did it to sell to make ends meet. Because there was a limit of ten plants alot of people would try to create 10 enormous marijuna plants by adding all types of different fertilisers, some ended up really massive. :D |
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I could have sworn the streets were paved with gold in Ozzy, so the latest count on drugs is
E £3 vs. $25 per tab, 1-0 to the UK Canabis $300 per ounce vs. £120, same cost. Who knows some other relative costs. Thrud (Bullbars are skippy's friend) |
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Originally Posted by aussie73
When l lived in Adelaide you were allowed to grow up to ten marijuana plants
for personal use. However alot of people on the dole and low incomes do it to sell to make ends meet. Because there was a limit of ten plants alot of people would try to create 10 enormous marijuna plants by adding all types of different fertilisers, some ended up really massive. :D |
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Originally Posted by bondipom
I have heard a few reports of needles in Bondi from the past when it was a bit of a drop out zone. Not seen anything myself and most of the smelly hippies are now priced out of the area.
Hippies are definitley priced out there :D |
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Just yesterday had my 14 yr old son telling me about some kids in his class who had read about the effects of Datura--- deadly nightshade to you and me- and tried it out cause it was cheaper than buying local drug stuff. Anyway one of them od !!!
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Originally Posted by Sandra
Just yesterday had my 14 yr old son telling me about some kids in his class who had read about the effects of Datura--- deadly nightshade to you and me- and tried it out cause it was cheaper than buying local drug stuff. Anyway one of them od !!!
It is not the country - some plonkers are plonkers anywhere. (edit) This thread - 76 posts, 1,823 views ... makes you think ... |
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Originally Posted by Deadmeat
I remember trying to smoke "monkey rope" (dried vines, basically) during my schooldays ... crazy days long past ...
(edit) This thread - 76 posts, 1,823 views ... makes you think ... Makes me think to, not many posters are there, ho hum never going to get a good cost comparrison without some input. I thought drugs that were opiate based were produced legally in tasmania for export, also this legal ownership of plants seems pretty sketchy, it seems 2 plants in south australia is legal. Thrud (to the tune of tom thumb, Doobie doobie doobie doo, doo dooby dooby) |
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Originally Posted by Thrud
Makes me think to, not many posters are there, ho hum never going to get a good cost comparrison without some input.
I thought drugs that were opiate based were produced legally in tasmania for export, also this legal ownership of plants seems pretty sketchy, it seems 2 plants in south australia is legal. Thrud (to the tune of tom thumb, Doobie doobie doobie doo, doo dooby dooby) |
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Originally Posted by Grayling
OK
My comments about it getting cold sometimes and the fact I dislike the Beer has sparked some debate. Let's see what happens with this observation. Please remember I am not comparing The UK and Australia. I am making observations about my trip about things which we have discussed on here before. There is a lot of drug Taking in Australia. I had meetings with a number of peole in the mental health field over the past few weeks. Drugs are a major problem. They take up a lot of resources in healthcare. There is widespread drug taking in schools. There are needle boxes in public toilets in even the smallest towns and also in other public places. While we were there there was widespread debate about school expulsions for drug offences. There is a lot of discussion about drug misuse in the newspapers. The use of cocaine etc. among young professionls is similar to here. In Adelaide the growing of Marijuana is tplerated although there are restrictions on the amount you can grow for personal use. This is an Observation,NOT an attack on all things Australian. It is worth some realistic discussion though. Head down G |
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I was at Uni in a city for 5 years, never saw or was offered any drugs. Far too square! Moved to a small seaside village (150 people) and got offered anything and everything from dope to heroin. Even found out how it was being moved about - illuminating! Didn't take anything as I've never felt the need or the point but all the other people we knew used it to control thier moods.
The entire village would have floated off given half a chance. We also go to the Lakes a lot and apparently Keswick etc have a very lively drug culture. |
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