Getting PR from 457
 

We are over here on a 457 visa sponsored by my employer. My employer is now applying for PR for me (although we have only been here for five days) :) .

For the 457 my wife and I didn't need medicals (only x-rays) and didn't need police checks either. Can anyone tell me if we will have to have either (or both) once we apply for PR?

Thanks,

Trekrider

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Probably have to have both done again. Shouldn't worry as each are not expensive. If you are here long enough prior to applying for PR, you'll also need Aussie Police checks to (no big shakes either)

Dave

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Thanks for this Dave, but now I'm confused :confused: I thought the police checks everyone talks about was with the Aussie Police. I read on a website about emigrating to Oz that had a 'what to do when you first arrive' section that you had to have your police check done once you get here. My wife is telling me that she thinks the police check everyone mentions is in the UK.

Can you clarify please?

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u only need OZ police checks if u have been here a year ;)

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The site I was looking at (movingdownunder.co.uk) says the following regarding Aussie police checks:

'Police checks- most jobs require you to have a police check, called National Police Clearence Certificates. This can be obtained from Police stations and cost $41'

My employer didn't require it :)

So what is the police check everyone is talking about then :confused: Is it done in the UK and how do you do it? Can it be done from Oz as I have no intention of going back to the UK! :confused: :confused:

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They have only been here 5 days Soapy :rolleyes:

Are you going for ENS or RSMS ? As you are in Sydney I guess it's ENS ?

Either way you will need the UK police checks but none from Aus.
Also full medicals, x-rays and blood tests done in Aus.

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Yes you can get it done from here - I did, but you may need to phone Scotland Yard.

When I applied for PR back a good few years ago ( within Aus) I needed three police checks, the Australian police check which was fast, and easy enough( which I don't think you will need as you've only been here 5 days). My British check was a pain in the arse, and it held up my PR application - The British checks were the slowest , it took ages to process.

If I remember correctly on the British police form I had it stated for Id that they needed for me to give my passport, Birth cert etc to the police station - no copies, the original thing. The form applied more to people who were in the UK. I was not prepared to send my passport to them of course as I needed it here.

What I did was to phone Scotland Yard and I explained my situation, they gave me permission to just send photocopies of my passport and birth cert etc ( and verified/signed by a JP etc here in aus - lucky for me a guy in my works with me is one, so he signed mine) .

If you are getting PR now as you're thinking of doing, I would advise you to start the ball rolling with your British police check now . As I have mentioned above, it took ages for mine, they were very slow in processing, sending my police check out to me. I actually went over my date that I needed to submit all my PR paperwork to the immigration here, and had to get in contact with the immigration here to explain my situation and I was waiting for my British police check. Which was not a problem, as they gave me more time to submit the form by.

Out of all the police checks I had , Aus, Singapore and Britain - the British one took about two, or three months until I received it I seem to recall ( can't remember the exact time , it was quite a few years ago now that I did mine, but it was very slow). So If I were you I'd do it now, get it out of the way.



http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/47p.pdf


cheers

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If you're living in Australia it makes sense to do an Australian police check anyway, some case officers might ask for it and it's a hassle if they do so at the last minute and everything is delayed.


Jeremy

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From what I can tell I believe it's an ENS.

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Thanks for this, I will look into getting it sorted out ASAP. :)

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Aren't you supposed to be working? ;)

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Hi from Melbourne. This is the Victorian situation and don't know if it differs in other states.

We're in exactly the same position and arrived here just three months (husband) one month (me and kids ago).

Our Business Visa agent (company organising this) has been given all the stuff we'd collected for skills assessment (qualifications, transcripts, etc) [you wouldn't need all this necessarily if you aren't on a business visa] and all the personal stuff (birth, marriage certs, etc, uk police checks ...).

We had a letter at the weekend requiring the following:

Police clearance certificates from Australia
UK police clearance certificates if not already supplied. (When we got them they cost about £10 each and were supplied by West Midlands Police, who were really helpful, in a matter of weeks).

Certified copies of documentation confirming previous employment during the last 3 years (company reference, statement of service, etc)

Two passport size photos of each family member.

X-Ray Examination (Form 160 to be completed) for those over age 11
HIV tests for those over age 15
Medicals for all (Form 160A to be completed).

We were advised the fees would be $305 per adult and $175 per child by EFTPOS or credit card but when I booked the medicals I was told the fees were $390 for adults and $153 for children. I only booked the medicals yesterday and got a cancelation for tomorrow. If I hadn't taken that I was told it would only be a week. A lot shorter waiting time that UK for us anyway.

We were also supposed to include previous medical reports, passports for id and previuos chest x-rays.

You don't take photos to the medicals as they do them digitally there.

If you need an update after our medicals or need info on medicare, insurance, etc for 457's you might pm me?

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If it is the UK police check, you can do it all by mail, (unless if have missed something on this thread), a copy of the form is attached - should be OK as it is the one I used for the getting my PR visa

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yes that's like the one I filled out- note the one ; all documents must be original unless signed by a JP.

When I did mine years back , The form I had at the time did not have the words "unless signed by a JP" . The form I had just stated that all documents must be original , hence the reason why I had to phone them, and get their permission that I could send them photocopies as long as I get them signed, which I did.

But talk about slow getting my British police check , mine was really slow, it took a few months until I recieved it. It held up my PR application here, and I had to contact the immigration to give me some more time to submit all the paperwork.
Even the sing one was faster than the British ( and that was fingerprint job for that one :scared:. I had to go to a local police staion here in Aus and get them to put my fingerprints on the Sing application police check form lol)

cheers

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I do get a lunch break you know :)

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Thanks for this.

I spoke to someone in work who has just gone through the process and he picked up a form from his local police website (from Oz).

I went online to the Avon and Somerset force website (my local police back in the UK) and downloaded a form similar to the one you posted. Same questions etc but it states you should submit copies of the identity documents, not originals and not certified copies. The cost is £10 per person.

Despite not being required I will get my copies certified as we have a couple of JPs who work in our place and will sign for me at no cost. :)

The other point is that form 47ES, the one I have to use for my visa application, states you need police checks from anywhere you have spent more than 12 months (including Oz) so, as someone else posted, we don't need them for Oz. :)

Thanks again,

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Thanks for the information. :)

We had to have x-rays for our 457 visa two months ago, do we have to have them done again? Also our daughter had to have a medical for the 457 visa, again two months ago so same question, does she have to have another?

We are lucky here, the company are providing healthcare coverage through medicare private :)

Thanks again,

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Just a point of interest for anyone applying from within Australia.

When you need certified copies it is worth searching for a JP as it is illegal for them to charge for the service.

In UK you pay what, GBP 5 per page ?

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All you can do is ask DIMIA about the x-rays and meds but I suspect it will be a negative response. (specially on the x-ray :D )

I can't see any reason why they shouldn't accept the x-rays. Probably can't be bothered to dig them out of the filing cabinets.

However the meds the kids (and we) had in Australia were different than they had in the UK.

Also you will all have to have blood tests done.


Another point. If your ENS is the same as my RSMS the application will be front loaded.........meaning all documents are submitted to DIMIA in one go.

Once the application is received they will appoint a case officer who will advise you where to get the meds and x-rays done. The doctor tells you where to get the bloods.

Notice the flaw ?

You don't get a case officer until the application is lodged so how can a non existent case officer tell you where to go for the meds etc ?

I overcame this by emailing DIMIA giving them my 457 reference details and told them I would be applying for the RSMS so could they tell me where to go for meds etc. They did.

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Our medicals and x-rays were just done in April and yes we have to have them all done again.

It might be worth checking this as I wasn't able to buy insurance because of the 457 which meant we were also not allowed to join medicare. We were allowed to take out ambulance cover and extras cover.

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thats what i meant lol

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That's a pity, it's bad enough being exposed to one set of x-rays let alone two :(

On the insurance, this was arranged by my company so there's no problem with the 457. :)

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I am in the same position (mid 457 to ENS after 6 months)
I was told that new medicals, X-rays etc. are only required if the 457 ones are >12 months old (which mine were so I had to redo)

Andrew

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That makes a lot of sense. And would make me very happy. I would be a very unhappy bunny if I had to have a second x-ray. :scared:

Sue

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I think it must vary on which state you are in. We are in Victoria and had to have meds and x-rays done again because we were applying for a permanent visa as opposed to the temporary 457.
We thought it was a bit crazy, when it was less than a year, but there must be some difficulty in taking the files from a temporary application and sending them to the department for permanent visas.


The UK police check - does take a while but they are suppose to process it within 41 days (a legal requirement on their part).

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Yeah, ours were less than 12 months old too.

It's a syndrome called "can't be assed to dig those out" :D

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I have some frinds who were on a 457 and went for PR, they did not have to have repeat meds and Xrays as they were last done within the year. This was in Perth.

Tracey

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That's encouraging, Tracy, as we'll be in WA. :)

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We were also supposed to include previous medical reports, passports for id and previuos chest x-rays.

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Hi

How are you supposed to include previous chest xrays if you dont have them? We sent ours to DIMIA for the 457 and never got them back, that was within the year, so how can I get them back to use again for the PR, does anyone know this? As this would save us some money if we can get them back to use again....

laura
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You don't get them back Laura, they are put on file, so 'in theory' they should just be able to get them out of your file.

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For anyone who does have to have the full X-ray, med, etc. for a family.

In Melbourne leave yourselves at least 3 hours, we had to queue for an hour first, 20 mins to complete admin, then all the different stages (including returning to the car to put more money in the machine and hanging around for hours waiting for junior to need to wee in a cup).

Very friendly though (as always).

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thanks for that, so when i submit my PR application, ill just write a covering letter saying that they already have our chest xrays...cool, all I need to book then is our medicals now, yipee!

laura
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Hi Laura,

Don't rely on getting your previous x-rays. It's probably down to your case officer but we couldn't get ours so had to redo them.

Also don't forget the meds have to be done where DIMIA tell you to go and bloods will also be needed.

In our case meds, bloods and x-rays were at different places.

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We had to have repeat x-rays in Melbourne, and our daughter a repeat medical as...... "Medicals will have to be redone as medicals for 457 cannot be used for permanent residence applications." was the answer given by our CO!

We have also just had to submit repeat copies of things which we had certified as true copies in the uk.....as they must be certified here in Australia! Never knew that and had extra copies done in the uk to use when we got here.

Ruth