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discobay Jan 4th 2009 5:33 pm

Filling in a pool
 
Rather than call out a number of businesses to quote I wonder if any one here has filed in their pool and what the approximate cost is likely to be. Mine is 6mx8m and 2m deep at most. A minimum cost would be useful too. Then I can decide whether I should bother the builders(?) for more accurate quotations.

Dazster Jan 4th 2009 10:41 pm

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What did you want to fill it with? Might I recommend Corona and lime?

discobay Jan 4th 2009 10:56 pm

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That's a girls drink. I prefer Sol.

datamile Jan 4th 2009 11:06 pm

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Use the tap, and pay the $100 fine if they get around to it ;)

ABCDiamond Jan 4th 2009 11:17 pm

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Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7127443)
Rather than call out a number of businesses to quote I wonder if any one here has filed in their pool and what the approximate cost is likely to be. Mine is 6mx8m and 2m deep at most. A minimum cost would be useful too. Then I can decide whether I should bother the builders(?) for more accurate quotations.

If you ask some of your local pool builders, they should be happy to dump their soil into your pool, as they otherwise have to pay to get rid of it when digging out someone elses pool.

We saved $500 by arranging somewhere local for our pool diggers to dump our excavated soil, rather than them take it to where they normally do.

It would of course depend on easy access to your pool...

discobay Jan 4th 2009 11:34 pm

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Would pool builders be the people who would fill in a pool?

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 12:26 pm

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Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7128186)
Would pool builders be the people who would fill in a pool?

When you say "fill in a pool" rather than "fill a pool", I assume you are talking about filling it with something other than water.

I'm not really sure who would be best for that, but it may depend on exactly how you want to fill the pool in.

I have seen one pool filled with sand, and it made a good sand pit for kids to play in.
I have also seen one filled with concrete, but that seems an expensive option, although much easier to do, if access is difficult for other options.
Filling with soil could be the cheapest option, if you can get the soil for free, hence me suggesting a pool builder, as they will always have soil to get rid of from their new pool installations.

Why are you wanting to fill it in ?
and do you want to fill it temporarily, so it could be re-used, as a pool again, later ?

discobay Jan 5th 2009 12:32 pm

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Yes I am looking at filling it in with something other than water. I have had enough of looking after it by which I mean clearing out leaves, twigs, buds and bugs. The skimmer box needs clearing out once or twice a day and the barracuda gets clogged just as much. The area around the pool is equally affected. Ideal solution would be to nuke next door's trees but filling in the pool and transforming it into a garden that we can use all year around sounds more economical.

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 12:43 pm

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Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7130798)
Ideal solution would be to nuke next door's trees but filling in the pool and transforming it into a garden that we can use all year around sounds more economical.

I had a similar problem with my neighbours tree. They dropped loads of really tiny leaves, and it caused me, and the filter, no end of trouble.

I considered my options to destroy the tree, or build a really high screen between us, but then just asked them if they really wanted to keep the tree.
It turned out that they were not over keen on it either, so I offered to have it removed for them. $110 to the local tree remover and my problems have gone.

If you do want to fill it in, I would think seriously about options that would leave it open to be re-used in the future if possible. Pools are not cheap to install.

irishbloo Jan 5th 2009 12:43 pm

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Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7130798)
Yes I am looking at filling it in with something other than water. I have had enough of looking after it by which I mean clearing out leaves, twigs, buds and bugs. The skimmer box needs clearing out once or twice a day and the barracuda gets clogged just as much. The area around the pool is equally affected. Ideal solution would be to nuke next door's trees but filling in the pool and transforming it into a garden that we can use all year around sounds more economical.

Pity I didnt know about you needing your pool filled in when my mil was visiting.

discobay Jan 5th 2009 12:47 pm

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Originally Posted by irishbloo (Post 7130824)
Pity I didnt know about you needing your pool filled in when my mil was visiting.

Just how big is she:rofl:

discobay Jan 5th 2009 12:50 pm

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 7130823)
I had a similar problem with my neighbours tree. They dropped loads of really tiny leaves, and it caused me, and the filter, no end of trouble.

I considered my options to destroy the tree, or build a really high screen between us, but then just asked them if they really wanted to keep the tree.
It turned out that they were not over keen on it either, so I offered to have it removed for them. $110 to the local tree remover and my problems have gone.

If you do want to fill it in, I would think seriously about options that would leave it open to be re-used in the future if possible. Pools are not cheap to install.

I have had two quotes for $1800 and $2000 just to trim off the overhanging branches. Complete removal would cost a lot more. That is the largest offending tree as there are others.

I doubt that I would look back if we made it into a lawn. Is it likely to affect the price of my property?

Red_V_Roger Jan 5th 2009 12:52 pm

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Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7130798)
Yes I am looking at filling it in with something other than water. I have had enough of looking after it by which I mean clearing out leaves, twigs, buds and bugs. The skimmer box needs clearing out once or twice a day and the barracuda gets clogged just as much. The area around the pool is equally affected. Ideal solution would be to nuke next door's trees but filling in the pool and transforming it into a garden that we can use all year around sounds more economical.

The people at the back of us who's pool was under non-native trees growing from our strata land paid to have them cut down. Now they have a nice clean pool and we have a great clear view of their screeming kids. :sneaky:

discobay Jan 5th 2009 1:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Red_V_Roger (Post 7130853)
The people at the back of us who's pool was under non-native trees growing from our strata land paid to have them cut down. Now they have a nice clean pool and we have a great clear view of their screeming kids. :sneaky:

... and of their mum and dad too eh!

datamile Jan 5th 2009 1:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Red_V_Roger (Post 7130853)
The people at the back of us who's pool was under non-native trees growing from our strata land paid to have them cut down. Now they have a nice clean pool and we have a great clear view of their screeming kids. :sneaky:

That'll teach you to put to much acid in their pool

themerlin Jan 5th 2009 1:29 pm

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Just give me $200 and I will be round with a petrol can and a match ;)


Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7130847)
I have had two quotes for $1800 and $2000 just to trim off the overhanging branches. Complete removal would cost a lot more. That is the largest offending tree as there are others.

I doubt that I would look back if we made it into a lawn. Is it likely to affect the price of my property?


discobay Jan 5th 2009 1:34 pm

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Originally Posted by themerlin (Post 7130930)
Just give me $200 and I will be round with a petrol can and a match ;)

I'd give you $500 if I could get away with it:sneaky:

themerlin Jan 5th 2009 1:46 pm

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You could dig down to the tree roots and poor a bottle of concentrated weedkiller on them. Next door would then have to foot the bill to have it removed.


Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7130941)
I'd give you $500 if I could get away with it:sneaky:


discobay Jan 5th 2009 1:52 pm

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Originally Posted by themerlin (Post 7130976)
You could dig down to the tree roots and poor a bottle of concentrated weedkiller on them. Next door would then have to foot the bill to have it removed.

Surely they would just ignore it?

Pomster Jan 5th 2009 2:52 pm

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I've heard ads on the radio for a company called Reverse Pools.
Apparently they can either fill it in, or can make it an underground storage tank.
Sounds interesting but no idea of cost!

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 3:06 pm

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An old newspaper article that may be interesting:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/proper...836418503.html


Someone said you had to punch a hole in the bottom. So I got someone to do that, and one in the side. Then I got someone with a jackhammer to come in and break up the bottom. And finally I ordered in some soil."

Now, the site is a thriving vegetable garden, and the family has no regrets. The baby, Emily, now in the last years of primary school, certainly doesn't miss it. And the grown-ups would far rather have the benefits of home-grown vegies than the headache of year-round pool maintenance."

"It's not a simple job. It's quite an effort. But now I have the vegie patch there, and I think it's better in the pool than in the ground. It's protected from tree roots. I had it filled with good sandy loam. "

and http://www.reversepools.com.au/

bridie Jan 5th 2009 9:04 pm

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there was an item on better homes and gardens a few months ago about making into a pond - you just stop running the pump etc and adding chemicals and in about 12 months it's ready to plant up with water lillies etc - benefit also being at some point it can be transferred back to a pool (ie if you sell the home)

be ideal for the local wildlife too.

just a thought :o

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 9:13 pm

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After having spent $40,000 to put a pool in, I do find it a bit difficult to contemplate the thought of filling one with soil etc.

I would imagine that a pool could be worth $20,000 on top of a property value ? So technically, getting rid of it could reduce the property value by $20,000+/- ?

I would consider discussing it with a real estate agent, to see what it would really cost to lose it.

discobay Jan 5th 2009 9:20 pm

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Originally Posted by bridie (Post 7131951)
there was an item on better homes and gardens a few months ago about making into a pond - you just stop running the pump etc and adding chemicals and in about 12 months it's ready to plant up with water lillies etc - benefit also being at some point it can be transferred back to a pool (ie if you sell the home)

be ideal for the local wildlife too.

just a thought :o

It would be ideal if there wasn't raining leaves and twigs. Pond or pool it's going to look terrible.

discobay Jan 5th 2009 9:21 pm

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 7131973)
I would consider discussing it with a real estate agent, to see what it would really cost to lose it.

No harm. Will give a couple of them a ring tomorrow.

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 9:28 pm

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What about a cover, a sort of screened top, with sides, so it is a semi indoor pool ?

No idea of cost, just thinking out loud....

discobay Jan 5th 2009 9:33 pm

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A good idea. Next door's is so enclosed. Looks dark inside. The top gets covered with all the shit that rains on my side so at least that's fair. I'll check out this option too - thanks.

viviennef Jan 5th 2009 11:02 pm

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I am just bracing to pay for a pool - I wish I could swap our soil for your pool.

Pool companies really do have lots of earth and pay quite a lot to dump it. Call them. Also try a couple of excavation companies - we install large pylons and pay to dump earth regularly. We use these excavation companies - you can also put a big sign up saying "clean fill wanted".

Viv

discobay Jan 5th 2009 11:05 pm

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Do pool removal companies provide this service to source "free" pool fill for you? This is all Greek to me.

viviennef Jan 5th 2009 11:11 pm

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Call local pool construction companies.
Ask them what they do with their earth and woudl they like to dump it.
If they use subcontract excavation people then call them and ask them the same.
Also you could try excavation and earth moving companies. They have spare earth a lot of the time.

You do though need to have a clue or otherwise you need to pay someone to backfill your pool - the earth needs to be compacted and the drainage needs to be considered.

Are you selling your fencing?

discobay Jan 5th 2009 11:14 pm

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Originally Posted by viviennef (Post 7132271)
Call local pool construction companies.
Ask them what they do with their earth and woudl they like to dump it.
If they use subcontract excavation people then call them and ask them the same.
Also you could try excavation and earth moving companies. They have spare earth a lot of the time.

You do though need to have a clue or otherwise you need to pay someone to backfill your pool - the earth needs to be compacted and the drainage needs to be considered.

Are you selling your fencing?

OK.
The fencing follows the property perimeter so will remain.

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 11:19 pm

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Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7132278)
OK.
The fencing follows the property perimeter so will remain.

That sounds like you don't have specific pool fencing ! (between the house and the pool, with a gate)

discobay Jan 5th 2009 11:21 pm

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That's only required if there are small children around right?

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 11:25 pm

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Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7132291)
That's only required if there are small children around right?

No..

Every Pool needs fully compliant fencing.


http://www.dip.qld.gov.au/building/p...cing-laws.html

Penalties of up to $12,375 and on-the-spot fines of up to $525 can be imposed on pool owners if their pool fence does not comply with the law.

discobay Jan 5th 2009 11:26 pm

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Hmm that's not what I was told but I am willing to accept that you are right. When did this become law as I bought this place in March?

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 11:41 pm

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Talking about pool fencing...

How many of you are within the law with your fence ?

Can you answer YES to this question?

My pool fence is at least 1.2 metres away from any object that would allow a child to climb over the fence—BBQs, trees, rocks, shrubs, furniture, etc.
or this one:

I never prop open or tie back my pool gate, or otherwise obstruct it from automatically closing.
I'm not sure I'd pass inspection, without moving a few things out of the 1.2 metre range.

discobay Jan 5th 2009 11:52 pm

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I can answer yes and yes.
Reading the pdf at the link you posted it seems that older pools have relaxed regulations. Mine was built some time ago so I need to ring the council to find out.

ABCDiamond Jan 5th 2009 11:59 pm

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Originally Posted by discobay (Post 7132309)
Hmm that's not what I was told but I am willing to accept that you are right. When did this become law as I bought this place in March?

I've just done some digging on this, and found that quite a few people think that a fence may not be needed if it was built before a certain date, or if they have no children, etc.

However, mandatory pool fences came in in 1991.

If your pool was built before 1991, and all windows that are within the fencing, are protected, ie "a child cannot get through them", and the door is a protected door, ie: self closing, and with handles above a certain height, then an outside perimeter fence that otherwise complies, including self closing gates, with approved catches above a certain height, may be sufficient.

Page 8 of this PDF file: http://www.dip.qld.gov.au/resources/..._lo.pdf#page=8

discobay Jan 6th 2009 12:01 am

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 7132426)
I've just done some digging on this, and found that quite a few people think that a fence may not be needed if it was built before a certain date, or if they have no children, etc.

However, mandatory pool fences came in in 1991.

If your pool was built before 1991, and all windows that are within the fencing, are protected, ie "a child cannot get through them", and the door is a protected door, ie: self closing, and with handles above a certain height, then an outside perimeter fence that otherwise complies, including self closing gates, with approved catches above a certain height, may be sufficient.

Page 8 of this PDF file: http://www.dip.qld.gov.au/resources/..._lo.pdf#page=8

Yes I read the same page. I just need to confirm the year of construction.

ABCDiamond Jan 6th 2009 12:21 am

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A courier mail newspaper article has this quote:

Fence laws 'misunderstood'
A POOR understanding of pool fence laws and misconceptions about how they apply to everyone are the most common reasons given for inadequate safety fencing, council inspectors say.

Reasons commonly given for safety fence breaches include:
• A pool fence is not needed if there are no children living in the house.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...016679,00.html
Was it the Real Estate agent who told you it wasn't required ?

I remember looking at a house in 2003, and the pool didn't have a fence, and we were told something similar by the agent.


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