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geordie downunder Feb 29th 2008 7:31 pm

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Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 6002478)
Very well put.

I would advise anybody with doubts not to move to Australia. WA has plenty of jobs but outside of the mines they don't seem as well paying as you might imagine.

With high interest rates, a dreadful exchange rate, house prices, lack of rentals and inflation, this has got be one of the worst times to emigrate to Australia.

Why so negative,I think it is a great time to emigrate.Wages in the fabrication game are around $80K a year working in Perth,not working the long hours on the mine/construction sites.If the wife goes to work then a household income of $120k per year is not out of the ordinary,a reasonable house can be bought for $400k,say 3.5 yrs wages.Seems to be the perfect time to emigrate.No point in coming here in a recession as I did,doesn't matter how cheap houses or rent are then,if you are not working you're f="?@d.

If you think you can,you can.

If you think you can't ,you can't.

Either way you will probably be right (Henry Ford)

NKSK version 2 Feb 29th 2008 7:35 pm

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Originally Posted by geordie downunder (Post 6002558)
Why so negative,I think it is a great time to emigrate.Wages in the fabrication game are around $80K a year working in Perth,not working the long hours on the mine/construction sites.If the wife goes to work then a household income of $120k per year is not out of the ordinary,a reasonable house can be bought for $400k,say 3.5 yrs wages.Seems to be the perfect time to emigrate.No point in coming here in a recession as I did,doesn't matter how cheap houses or rent are then,if you are not working you're f="?@d.

If you think you can,you can.

If you think you can't ,you can't.

Either way you will probably be right (Henry Ford)


All fair enough. But....IF you are in the fabrication game and IF you want to live in an area where houses are $400K

nickUK Feb 29th 2008 7:43 pm

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I've noticed a lot of the discussion has focussed on whether or not you should and/or can afford to move to Oz. What's the view on once you're here, whether or not you can then afford to move back to the UK?

Relocating half way across the world (for a second time) can't be cheap, neither is taking the time off to do it, find a place to live and job in the UK, etc. Also, if you've got kids I assume the education side of things makes the decision more complex??

I_Will_Freckle Feb 29th 2008 7:46 pm

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Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 6002519)
Its interesting how many people are giving the 'dont do it' advice even Badger, that really surprised me.

I wouldnt say that at all, and I have always been quite open about australias many problems, BUT what happened to all the people doing it for the experience, relaxed lifestyle, healthier lifestyle, less crime, drugs, etc etc etc and the many many posters who said Uk was a dump had to get out, just because the exchange rates dropped what happened to all those reasons. Bit like dumping your true love cause it got a pay cut:rofl:

Turns out it was all about money:D

My thoughts exactly.

Conrad242 Feb 29th 2008 7:49 pm

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just checked easyjet website, London Luton to Mallorca on 30 April, return on 6 May, costs 89.96£ (total cost) per one adult person, lasts almost 3 hours, 1.5 hour is to northern Spain only;
the same days, Jet2, Leeds - Malaga 150£, over 3 hours;


Joho, where do you buy red peppers for 4$? in chinatown? i saw there cheaper for 3$ but moulded;

cars - for my 17 years old suzuki i paid 2500$, in the UK for 1200£ i could buy suzuki 7 years old, and much lower mileage;

tictac Feb 29th 2008 8:39 pm

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Originally Posted by brendarover (Post 6001667)
Cheers for your open-ness it is refreshing!

Call me a clunt, mind my own business etc, to buy $700.00 aweek, why buy, when you can rent for $400.00 aweek?

$300.00 aweek spare to go out and get rat arsed or what ever?;)

I guess most expats (from the UK), like myself, see ***home ownership*** as one of the fundamentals of family life - a necessity.

I'm aware that renting in Australia and indeed large parts of Europe for that matter does not carry the same 'stigma' as the UK and many people, again myself included, accept that they may have to or choose to rent for a certain period of time until them have established themselves in Australia.

Holed-up in a rental, lining the pockets of a greedy, anonymous, faceless landlord?

Why would anybody want to do that in the long term?

NKSK version 2 Feb 29th 2008 8:44 pm

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Originally Posted by tictac (Post 6002718)
I guess most expats (from the UK), like myself, see ***home ownership*** as one of the fundamentals of family life - a necessity.

I'm aware that renting in Australia and indeed large parts of Europe for that matter does not carry the same 'stigma' as the UK and many people, again myself included, accept that they may have to or choose to rent for a certain period of time until them have established themselves in Australia.

Holed-up in a rental, lining the pockets of a greedy, anonymous, faceless landlord?

Why would anybody want to do that in the long term?

The disadvantage for me is not being able to do what you want with the house. The lining the pockets thing doesn't bother me - what we lose on rent we gain on our own rental in the UK. And don't forget in Australia the landlord is liable for rates and local taxes. In the UK, it's the tenant so you do gain in that respect - if you have a house in the UK!.

tictac Feb 29th 2008 8:50 pm

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Paul76

I don't want to sound like a tosser but you sound like someone who, like a friend of mine, measure's his life's worth in $'s

If, at the age of 31 (?) you think and you're confident that your life is mapped out then good for you.

I was there too (once). Funny how things change - quickly and without warning.

Who was it who said "Life's what happens while you're busy making plans?"

Good luck with whatever you decide to do

Cheers

Geelong Gent Feb 29th 2008 8:53 pm

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Originally Posted by stuckinblighty (Post 5995792)
Trust me on this one its a sellers market in melbourne.The market went up 22% in the last 6 months...doesnt sound like a buyers market to me !

Lee

Rushed around today and attended 3 auctions

Very Blue Chip areas

No bids, despite over 100 people on average at each. (I think most were neighbours and reporters).

I mean NO BIDS

all properties passed in

:thumbsup:

busterboy Feb 29th 2008 8:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Geelong Gent (Post 6002766)
Rushed around today and attended 3 auctions

Very Blue Chip areas

No bids, despite over 100 people on average at each. (I think most were neighbours and reporters).

I mean NO BIDS

all properties passed in

:thumbsup:

Does not surprise me.

Conrad242 Feb 29th 2008 8:59 pm

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Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 6002734)
. And don't forget in Australia the landlord is liable for rates and local taxes. In the UK, it's the tenant so you do gain in that respect - if you have a house in the UK!.


but australian landlord gets money from the tenant, don't be so naive that the aussie landlord spends his own money for land tax or any local council tax;
so in both countries a tenant is charged;

tictac Feb 29th 2008 9:00 pm

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Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 6002566)
All fair enough. But....IF you are in the fabrication game and IF you want to live in an area where houses are $400K

Took the words out of my mouth :blink:

stuckinblighty Feb 29th 2008 9:02 pm

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Originally Posted by tictac (Post 6002759)
Paul76

I don't want to sound like a tosser but you sound like someone who, like a friend of mine, measure's his life's worth in $'s

If, at the age of 31 (?) you think and you're confident that your life is mapped out then good for you.

I was there too (once). Funny how things change - quickly and without warning.

Who was it who said "Life's what happens while you're busy making plans?"

Good luck with whatever you decide to do

Cheers

!!!

Margaret3 Feb 29th 2008 9:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Geelong Gent (Post 6002766)
Rushed around today and attended 3 auctions

Very Blue Chip areas

No bids, despite over 100 people on average at each. (I think most were neighbours and reporters).

I mean NO BIDS

all properties passed in

:thumbsup:


what the hell are you up to now:lol:

busterboy Feb 29th 2008 9:05 pm

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Originally Posted by stuckinblighty (Post 6002809)
lol...as i said previous its the old accusation of 'materialism' that you're accusing me of, i knew it wouldnt take long.

I dont judge my life in money at all,nothing could be further from the truth.But ultimately when i sit down and work out the figures it makes it really difficult to justify the move..sorry but thats the truth.

If i did judge my life in £ then i'm a bloody failure already !

Lee :thumbup:

ps i'm a little bit older than 31

Lee, what you are doing is ultimately the only sensible path. It absolutely right to debate on the sense of moving your family across the world, in less favourable financial terms than have probably ever been before.


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