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What a load of Rubbish. There are plenty of shit British Engineers just like there plenty of shite Australian Engineers.

If Engineers Australia is using it's exclusiveness to keep itself well then chartied qualficiations are using themselves to make non engineering losers feel better about being an engineer. Unless you've done a 3 year degree from an accredited British Univerisity...in Australia you are NOT an Engineer no one here will ever consider you one. NVQ3 and HNC are TAFE diplomas in Australia (which is now pretty much a worthlesss qualification)

Saying that Engineers without degrees make double the money is outright crap. I know a few British Engineers without degrees who struggled to even find work. Without a legitimate engineering degree no one will every consider you an engineer in Australia and that's fact.

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And that's bollox

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As far a I am aware in Britain a qualified engineer is those who have got a chartered status (CEng). e.g. has been assessed and approved by ECUK ...

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NVQ3 and HNC are TAFE diplomas in Australia (which is now pretty much a worthlesss qualification)

Saying that Engineers without degrees make double the money is outright crap. I know a few British Engineers without degrees who struggled to even find work. Without a legitimate engineering degree no one will every consider you an engineer in Australia and that's fact.[/QUOTE]


well no wonder Australia struggles for skills.

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You keep saying that yet railwaypeople.com routinely advertised jobs in Oz at 130k plus where having a degree or being chartered Isn't required.

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I m currently in the process of gaining my IEng ( without a degree i may add ) I have my HNC & HND which i started before 1999, Plus the 25 years working at IEng Level.
So can anyone tell me! if when i submitt my visa app will they give me 10 points or 15 points under the new points sytem ?
:unsure:

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I don't know what world you guys are on but my engineering mates are pushing 250-300k not 100-130k. 100-130k isn't a lot of money in Australia many tradies earn that kind of income. A lot of my drafty mates are on 130-140 here in Perth unlike many of you clowns they don't call themselves engineers because this is Australia and we don't have loser job titles to make ourtselves feel better.

So much for your non degree engineering salary. lolz

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Weebie , you have been asked repeatedly to stick to the rules on BE. One of those rules asks that you do not engage in insults or personal abuse. Please change the tone of your posts and try to discuss things in a more reasonable manner.

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Got a link to these 250-300k jobs?

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It doesn't matter what qualifications you lot have - I've yet to meet an engineer that actually did what we asked of them!! :p

I've just spent 4 hours revising an engineers drawings, because he insisted what I was proposing wasn't possible. Turns out it was!! ;)

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You'll need a legitimate degree?

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Two of my best mates are earning 130-150ph respectively. My neighbour who is out here on Chevron in Houston with his multi million dollar house being paid for I doubt is earning anything less than 200.

80-130k are not "great" salaries if you are a good engineer here in Perth.

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so you keep saying, but without any evidence.

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All jobs go through recruitment agents in Aus.

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Every single job?

I don't think so somehow.

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As you know your statement is completely untrue.

You have been asked by Polly on a number of occasions to stop your inflammatory posts.

http://britishexpats.com/site-rules/

Read rule 4.

Take a break please.

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Well good on your 'mates' and congrats to them on earning that salary. Hopefully they show a bit more dignity about their earnings and A bit more respect for their fellow colleagues than their mate does.

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I have always tried to ignore the irresistable lure of your posts for a contrary comment but this is just too much.

I work in a chemical manufacturing company employing drafties, chemists, chem eng, mech eng etc.

If your mates are on that they obviously aren't very good one's - coincidence?
Those on $250-300K are most likely O&G contractors, possible but more exceptional. The truth lies somewhere between the two for most in the real world.

Nonsense, we have just employed a head hunter which is far more the norm in current market for specific eng roles.

Regarding the original post (to keep my post on topic :D) I think where we can get confusion here is for example ex British Gas "Engineers". When you'd get an issue with your boiler they would send round one of their "engineers". These are skilled qualifies tradesmen and carry out an important job but personally I would never describe them as "engineers". And I mean no offence to BG guys, just an example ;)

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I am a chartered engineer (CEng). On the top of it I am also EUropen ENgineer Eur Ing with over 5 years experience in the Industries plus teachng at a university. In Australia I have been considering a job offer as a Senior Lecturer which pay 100-120K (do not remember the exact figure).

I am also very interested in knowing, if an engineer in Australia could earn 250-300K, as I might be hunting a job in the industreis rather than in higher education.

I think 200-300K might be the salary bracket for engineering director, so they are actually not an engineer but a director ??? ....

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Just taking a look on Seek, here's a mech engineer role in mining paying big bucks.

http://www.seek.com.au/Job/mechanica...perth/20299694

Weebie does spout a lot of rubbish however good experienced engineers in Perth are regularly getting $big especially if they're prepared to head up to the Pilbara.

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Thank you for the link.
It seems that the salary bracket of 150-300k is for a "principal engineer" and not for an engineer or a senior engineer.

Also it seems that this salary bracket for an engineer is only valid in a certain areas, and not what typical an engineer will earn ..

I could have imagine that an engineer in NASA in the US will also earn much more than other engineer, because they are in Demand. Similarly to a nuclear engineer, etc ....

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Dude, that's what engineers earn in Perth, and there are more jobs than engineers

Time to get a real job..........

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got any going ;)

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I am quite confusing here, from what I have seen from career.au one of the largest job advertising agent:

http://mycareer.com.au/jobs/sydney/e...l-engineering/

It seems that the salary figures here do not support to what have been stated in this forum.

For instance, a PRICIPAL/LEAD ENGINEER HERE only earn 160K. Primary, secondary design engineer earn about 120K....

So probably the figures stated in the previous post only in particular industries such as O&G industry. I could imagine NASA engineer, or NUCLEAR engineer will also earn that much in the US or in the UK ....

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Depends where you are - you're looking at Sydney where there isn't a big engineering market, Perth and Brisbane are the hubs in Aus, Melbourne and Darwin secondary - these are where the big bucks are.

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A tradesman on a construction job in the Pilbara is on about A$150,000.

Not sure about Engineers but I would presume about A$200,000.

But for that your working about 60-70 Hours a week with 4 weeks on and 1 off.

Keel

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When looking at salaries in the mining or oil & gas sectors, it is important to differentiate between office jobs in the city and site based jobs. Yes, relatively inexperienced engineers can earn $200k out on site where they might only get $130k in the city - the extra is to compensate for the living and working conditions. Many if not most engineers working in the field are single or, if married, don't have children - family men prefer to come home every evening. Quite a lot of us worked in the bush (or overseas) for long enough to get a good stake, then came back to 'normal' life.

How much an engineer gets paid will also depend on the industry he is in. A Principal engineer in oil & gas can certainly earn $250k-$300k working normal office hours in the city.

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Engineers working in Perth CBD, doing 45 hour a week and maybe making the occasional trip North, are earning that - and more.

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The way you worded that, it could be read on the basis that a graduate straight out of uni could earn $200k - which they can't! Someone with 10-15 years relevant experience might make that salary in the right industry.

When talking salaries, say what they refer to. A graduate in his first job might get $60k to $80k, a specialist principal with 25-30 years of experience should be in the $250k to $300k bracket - on the other hand he may be in an industry which only pays $150k to $200k for the same level of experience.

Perth is full of mining and oil & gas companies so the average salary levels are likely to be on the high side. But if you don't have the necessary skills and experience to work in that sector then even in Perth you won't necessarily get the big bucks.

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I've re-read my post. It's worded just right.

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The consulting company I work for has chargeout bands (what the client is charged for the work) ranging from $130/hr to $275/hr. Assuming that the mark-up on actual salary is 100%, salaries will range from $125k to $270k, depending on experience.

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It is not only in Australia but everywhere. An engineer working in offshore Oil-Rig, Mining Site, will earn more than an engineer working in an office.
But they are working a long hour when they are on-site, high risk of explosion, far away from family. Not a work pattern that suit anyone though ...

If people are referring an On-site engineer working in Mining or O&G industries earn 200K,while other engineer such as design Engineer, Structural Engineer, Civil Engineer working in the cities earn about 120-150K then it is fair enough they deserve it.

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Okay slightly off topic, but seeing as we're talking about Engineering and wages.

What could you expect an Engineer with a degree in Mechatronics and Robotics with 2 years post graduate experience and roughly 10 years PRE-graduate engineering experience (Yes, thats pre-grad not post-grad) to earn. If they got a job in instrumentation, control systems or robotics, would you expect their payband to be closer to a graduates wage or something closer to an experienced engineers payband?

Not expecting exact answers, just rough ideas for various areas of the country......

Thanks.