Employment contract
Hey guys,
When negotating a contract of employment on a 457 visa what are the key points to negotiate to make sure my job is as secure as it can possibly be? |
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Hi there,
I would like to know the answer to this question too! I am currently job hunting and also have a 457 Visa..... |
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Originally Posted by phieny
(Post 10096687)
Hi there,
I would like to know the answer to this question too! I am currently job hunting and also have a 457 Visa..... |
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Are you put on a probation period? That can be a problem for getting credit on a car etc. Plus they could let you go during that time..
Other than that its the same as any other job, you cant make them keep you. Also, the 457 is temporary, they may not intend on keeping you for the full 4 years.. |
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Originally Posted by paddym
(Post 10096380)
Hey guys,
When negotating a contract of employment on a 457 visa what are the key points to negotiate to make sure my job is as secure as it can possibly be? Maybe you should think about negotiating the best possible deal if you do lose your job (through no fault of your own), like business class flights home for the whole family and paid shipping. |
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
(Post 10096949)
You are not going to be able to negotiate job security!
Maybe you should think about negotiating the best possible deal if you do lose your job (through no fault of your own), like business class flights home for the whole family and paid shipping. The job I currently hold in the uk is as secure you could possibly imagine. No risk of being let go and if there was there is a long process and a lot of expense and red tape to get through just to be even close to being rid of anybody within my company. I suppose I'm looking for the same security. Even if the contract I had had a minimum term on it. What's Australian law like in regards to this because anybody I know in the uk can't just be told that they are being let go out of the blue. Surely if that hppened it would be a case for unfair dismissal |
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Originally Posted by paddym
(Post 10096970)
Well after 2 years I would be applying for pr anyway so doesn't matter whether they would keep me the full four.
The job I currently hold in the uk is as secure you could possibly imagine. No risk of being let go and if there was there is a long process and a lot of expense and red tape to get through just to be even close to being rid of anybody within my company. I suppose I'm looking for the same security. Even if the contract I had had a minimum term on it. What's Australian law like in regards to this because anybody I know in the uk can't just be told that they are being let go out of the blue. Surely if that hppened it would be a case for unfair dismissal If the company decide to get rid of you, then you have almost zero comeback, especially when you consider that you only have 28 days to get out of the country if they terminate your employment. |
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Originally Posted by paddym
(Post 10096970)
Well after 2 years I would be applying for pr anyway so doesn't matter whether they would keep me the full four.
This '2 year' thing seems to have lots of people confused, including employers. If you spend two years on a 457 then your employer can sponsor you for PR, without you having to pass any required skills assesment... and that's about the only thing the '2 years' gives you. Your employer could apply to have you changed to PR as soon as you arrive... but almost none do, probably because by keeping you on a 457 it means you are tied to the company. |
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I don't think job security and Australia go hand in hand.
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Thanks for the response guys. This has made me a little nervous now. I have my second interview on Tuesday morning and I am almost certain I am going to get an offer (fingers crossed). I was sure if I was offered the package I want I would up sticks and go but now I'm not so sure. I need at least 2 years under my belt so I am not giving up a good job here and end up not gaining much more experience.
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Originally Posted by paddym
(Post 10097004)
Thanks for the response guys. This has made me a little nervous now. I have my second interview on Tuesday morning and I am almost certain I am going to get an offer (fingers crossed). I was sure if I was offered the package I want I would up sticks and go but now I'm not so sure. I need at least 2 years under my belt so I am not giving up a good job here and end up not gaining much more experience.
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Re: Employment contract
Originally Posted by paddym
(Post 10096970)
Well after 2 years I would be applying for pr anyway so doesn't matter whether they would keep me the full four.
If you mean that the employer has agreed to sponsor you for a permanent visa after two years and your job is eligible for permanent employer sponsored visa then fair enough. Although the job would still need to be there with an expectation for a further three years, so you can't say it doesn't matter whether they would keep you on.
Originally Posted by paddym
(Post 10096970)
The job I currently hold in the uk is as secure you could possibly imagine. No risk of being let go and if there was there is a long process and a lot of expense and red tape to get through just to be even close to being rid of anybody within my company. I suppose I'm looking for the same security. Even if the contract I had had a minimum term on it.
What's Australian law like in regards to this because anybody I know in the uk can't just be told that they are being let go out of the blue. Surely if that hppened it would be a case for unfair dismissal |
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
(Post 10097011)
If you are referring to the persistent myth that after two years on a 457 visa you can apply for a "PR status" type of thing, then know that it is just that, a myth.
If you mean that the employer has agreed to sponsor you for a permanent visa after two years and your job is eligible for permanent employer sponsored visa then fair enough. Although the job would still need to be there with an expectation for a further three years, so you can't say it doesn't matter whether they would keep you on. Redundancy. It is quite legal. The company did say in the first interview they sponsor after 2 years a pr visa. I didn't realise that ther was a further fixed term on that and I didn't realise I could not just apply for it myself after 2 years. Thanks. I'm not sure what to do now. I will have a list of questions for Tuesday and try and get some piece of mind to hopefully make me more at ease. I will try and find out how many people have been let to in the last five years etc just so I know generally what sort of security I would have. I obviously cant account for future situations but it's a start. |
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Originally Posted by paddym
(Post 10097057)
I didn't realise that mate. That's what the foul is all about gaining more knowledge from knowledgable people.
The company did say in the first interview they sponsor after 2 years a pr visa. I didn't realise that ther was a further fixed term on that and I didn't realise I could not just apply for it myself after 2 years. Thanks. There is nothing in particular you can do after two years unilaterally. Of course you could apply for a skilled migrant visa, but you could do that now if you qualify. |
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Surely regardless of Jobs, emigrating to Australia means temporarily at least you are giving up security on many different levels.
Jeremy Clarkson said something along the lines of why would anyone with a great job, house, friends etc etc wake up one day and decide to live in an insular country on the other side of the world |
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