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Sherlock Holmes Sep 8th 2011 3:30 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9609087)
I did try to stress that I was talking from a Vic point of view. :thumbup:

:thumbsup:

Yep, point taken. :) Wasn't trying to nitpick (how do you spell that? :confused:) just thought it worth a mention as I think it's particularly scary practice. IMHO :)

Japonica Sep 8th 2011 6:46 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by weezypenguin (Post 9608184)
Ok so we are from Uk, but lived in Canada for 8 years.
So driving in OZ, what differences are there?
in UK you can not turn on a red light in Canada you can...for example.
thanks in advance

The big one that comes to mind is merging onto freeways. If you're used to driving in Canada, many on-ramps have a yield sign or if it's not actually there, you're still supposed to merge carefully with the traffic and unofficially it's always a case of "whoa, fight your way onto the freeway because no one wants to give you an inch of space." Here, traffic on the freeway is supposed to give way if any portion of your car is ahead of theirs. That would never happen back in Canada. I snicker thinking about it.

And yes, no leeway for speeding. In Alberta, they'd often let you get at least 10km/h over the limit before ticketing. We received one here for 6 km/h over, which I thought was a bit ridiculous.

Rambi Sep 8th 2011 6:48 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (Post 9609236)
:thumbsup:

Yep, point taken. :) Wasn't trying to nitpick (how do you spell that? :confused:) just thought it worth a mention as I think it's particularly scary practice. IMHO :)

I reckon the lower limits for P platers isn't a good idea. (I think they do something similar in NSW as well). As well as holding up regular traffic it probably exacerbates the disdain from other drivers.

Rambi Sep 8th 2011 6:50 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Japonica (Post 9609380)
The big one that comes to mind is merging onto freeways. If you're used to driving in Canada, many on-ramps have a yield sign or if it's not actually there, you're still supposed to merge carefully with the traffic and unofficially it's always a case of "whoa, fight your way onto the freeway because no one wants to give you an inch of space." Here, traffic on the freeway is supposed to give way if any portion of your car is ahead of theirs. That would never happen back in Canada. I snicker thinking about it.

I think that's one of those made up rules or a popular misunderstanding. You only get priority from being ahead if there is no lane marking in which case it's a zip merge. Certainly on the freeways here in Vic there are dotted lines and the car crossing the dotted line is supposed to give way.

Japonica Sep 8th 2011 6:54 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9609383)
I think that's one of those made up rules or possibly misunderstood. You only get priority from being ahead if there is no lane marking in which case it's a zip merge. Certain on the freeways here in Vic there are dotted lines and the car crossing the dotted line is supposed to give way.

Yeah, I think it's also gets misunderstood as all cars merging get right-of-way which is not how it's written:

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/media...eSafePart3.pdf


During merging you must give way to another vehicle if any part of the other vehicle is ahead of your vehicle.
Keep a safe distance between yourself and the vehicle in front;
No dotted lines from the merge lane onto the freeway as I can see, but I suppose it's different from state to state.

Rambi Sep 8th 2011 7:26 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Japonica (Post 9609385)


No dotted lines from the merge lane onto the freeway as I can see, but I suppose it's different from state to state.

Sounds like it. Will have to be careful if I head out west. :D

PS: Just had a look on google maps and it looks like you use zip merge out there and here we have dotted lane separators. So definitely an interstate difference.

moneypenny20 Sep 8th 2011 7:51 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9608973)
This highlights one of the inter-state differences. In Vic, it's the same rule as the UK, you can do a U-turn unless signed that you can't.

Same here.


Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9608973)
I guess a big one to mention is that you shouldn't park against the flow of traffic. That seems to catch quite a few.

Such a good one. I believe it's actually the law in the UK as well but no one abides by it and the police don't enforce it. Had totally forgotten when we went back and slightly freaked when the driver shot across the road and parked the wrong way. :lol:


Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9609382)
I reckon the lower limits for P platers isn't a good idea. (I think they do something similar in NSW as well). As well as holding up regular traffic it probably exacerbates the disdain from other drivers.

They don't do that here thankfully but because we're so close to the border, when we were teaching First Born, we'd often drive over the border clocking up the hours. We were never sure of which rules to follow but suddenly dropping seemed dangerous to me. :unsure:

Japonica Sep 8th 2011 7:51 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9609416)
Sounds like it. Will have to be careful if I head out west. :D

PS: Just had a look on google maps and it looks like you use zip merge out there and here we have dotted lane separators. So definitely an interstate difference.

Likewise, good to know for when I go visit Victoria!

Hey, maybe this explains some of the mishaps...interstate drivers in rental cars...I mean, I'd cut an out-of-state plate some slack, but I imagine a lot more people fly and hire a car rather than do the scenic Nullarbor route.

Rambi Sep 8th 2011 8:06 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 9609442)
Same here.



Such a good one. I believe it's actually the law in the UK as well but no one abides by it and the police don't enforce it. Had totally forgotten when we went back and slightly freaked when the driver shot across the road and parked the wrong way. :lol:



They don't do that here thankfully but because we're so close to the border, when we were teaching First Born, we'd often drive over the border clocking up the hours. We were never sure of which rules to follow but suddenly dropping seemed dangerous to me. :unsure:

I think the parking against traffic thing in the UK depends on day/night and how well the area is lit. I think it's okay to park against the flow in a town but not out of town at night. Pretty much because people can't see your reflectors. (My mum was told off for this once.) It does seem to wind up a lot of people but I can see why it's allowed over there and not over here.

We thankfully don't have the slow P platers as well. I bet nobody has a clear idea of what's supposed to happen when they cross borders. I presume it's a restriction on the licence which could lead to the case where a Vic P plater can drive at 110kph on a Vic freeway but a NSW P plater should stick to 80. :blink:

Wendy Sep 8th 2011 8:22 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (Post 9609006)

Admittedly you can't do more thayt 80 kph whilst on your P plates.

It's 100k in South Australia :)


http://www.dtei.sa.gov.au/roadsafety...s/speed_limits

Sherlock Holmes Sep 8th 2011 8:29 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Wendy (Post 9609476)

Okay, my apologies. This has changed recently. My step-daughter is on P plates and lives in SA.

On L plates she couldn't do more than 80. Now, on Ps she can do 100 but is still limited to 100 if the speed limit is 110.

This really is one area of law that needs to be covered by federal law I reckon.

fish.01 Sep 8th 2011 8:30 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9608973)
This highlights one of the inter-state differences. In Vic, it's the same rule as the UK, you can do a U-turn unless signed that you can't.

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 9609442)
Same here.
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It got lost along the way in the thread MP but they were talking about u-turns at traffic lights....can't do them in qld unless signed....in normal breaks in the road you can do them unless signed that you can't.

fish.01 Sep 8th 2011 8:31 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by bingobob777 (Post 9608993)
Got a fine my 3rd day in Australia for that.

Traffic cops here are even more useless than the UK, so far I've had the fine as above and another fine and 3 points for turning right between 4pm and 6pm at a road in Ashgrove, meanwhile every time you venture on to the Pacific or Bruce Highways you got umpteen twats tailgating you, actually causing a risk of injury or death, but nothing happens about that.

It's even more of an excuse to raise money here.

I don't think the residents of Bott st would agree with you :)

Rambi Sep 8th 2011 8:37 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (Post 9609484)
Okay, my apologies. This has changed recently. My step-daughter is on P plates and lives in SA.

On L plates she couldn't do more than 80. Now, on Ps she can do 100 but is still limited to 100 if the speed limit is 110.

This really is one area of law that needs to be covered by federal law I reckon.

Making the default highway speed limits consistent would be cool. 110kph in SA and 100kph in Vic. When you cross the border in some places there's nothing to say the speed limit has changed. Unfortunately they would probably make it consistent on the lower limit.

moneypenny20 Sep 8th 2011 8:37 pm

Re: Driving in Australia
 

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9609455)
I bet nobody has a clear idea of what's supposed to happen when they cross borders.

They don't. I got on to both NSW and QLD transport as well as our local beat policeman and none of them knew. QLD transport said she was a QLD learner so went by the rules of QLD, NSW said she was on NSW ground so followed their rules and the copper said something along the lines of 'bugger no one's asked me that before and I don't know. :lol::rolleyes: We figured that if she got stopped and fined, we'd go to QLD Transport and get them to cancel it.;)


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