Does Australia really need skilled workers?
 

when I was writing moderator closed that thread so I paste it here:

if australia really needed skilled workers then local employers would employ everybody on the spot without stupid questions about experience, certificates, etc.; see the british economy needs skilled workers and opens borders for migrants from EU, and they don't need to face problems like we in OZ. They are asked for EU passport only (eligibility to work in the UK), and this is all, in the USA lot of illigals can find a job easy, and green cards holders find jobs without any problems. In Oz being eligible to legal work doesn't mean you can work, first you need local certificates, licences and experience, many times i saw some machines and tools made in Europe, Japan, China and immigrants having experience with it in their homecountries, the same machines, can't work here due to lack of australian work experience, but this is still the same machine, and australian employer say "it is hard to find right people". Overseas qualifications are worthless in Oz, first assessing bodies issue positive skills assesment meeting australian requirements, later we are asked to provide local certificates, without it we can't work. I met a welder with many years of experience and City and Guilds diploma who had problems to recognise his diploma in Oz and work as a welder, TRA recognised it, but to work he needs to have a local licence, like many tradepersons, he earns 24$/h and in the UK he used to earn 14£ welding with the same tools. Australia calls skilled people to come and live here, charge them for immigration procedures, later we come, we can't find jobs, or low paid, this sounds like ripping off. How can we enjoy australian lifestyle if we face problems like this? and Aussies are surprised someone is not happy with Oz and call him "whinging pom"
australia doesn't need need skilled people only their money, visa fee costs about 2000$, skills assesment several hundreds, after arrival if you didn't spend a fortune shipping your belongings you must buy here some things you need, so you spend your money again, and if you can't find a job is better to requalify so you are charged tuition fees to get local diplomas, you leave the schools and you are lucky if you find a trainee position. You can input keywords "trainee" or "no experience" on seek.com. au or careerone.com.au and see how many jobs you found and if you could do it, apply there and wait forever to be interviewed, and be aware that not only you applied.
kendeanita's OH has 18 years of experience, so is really experienced and his qualifications are useless in country saying desperately needs skilled people.
Amazulu desperately seeks person with the right skills, how long does it take? what is the problem? - lack of these type people, nobody wants to train them, everybody wants to employ very experienced people only, where can people gain australian experience first? australian employers require too much and are surprised can't find anyone

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Great article. A time saver! :thumbup:

But Conrad, your comments have really touched a chord with me.

I get the same impressions. Some of us, who are going to OZ from UK, have really excellent experience, skills (technical and soft) as well as proven track in the industry. In UK, my qualifications and experiences are not questione at all. At interviews in UK, I don't get techincal questions or such, but an informal chat, which more than not, gives a good indication one's ability and experience. Now, I am going to OZ, thorough, sponsorship with OZ company, and have actually dragged them back into 21st century with some new designs, and instead of getting recognised with this, I am having to put up with base salary of $85k, relocation money of $4k and nothing else. My OH wants to to to Sydney so badly that I don't think about rocking the boat. Though I think I am being short changed with the salary package. We have an OZ technical manager who keeps relying on myself for key decisions here in UK (that's the branch for which I am working for until I move to Sydney) and yet he is earning twice what I earn. The difference? He is an OZ and this is an OZ company. His qualifications are recognised in OZ wherease mine not so. Even though I am a Microsoft Certified Professional. Sorry, if I am coming accross as a moaner. Just wanted to back Conrad's arguments.

If it weren't for OH, I know where this OZ company can stick that job offer.

People in UK have also their self worth. It's time OZ stopped MILKING every opportunity for quick buck, in the name of skill shortages.

Without people with quality skills, Oz will stay as good as it's barren middle section: tumbleweeds and desert.:eek:

So, why don't you make 457 easier OZ?
Why ask for $4,500 per child up front for education in NSW?
Isn't paying the individual school's fees enough?

:curse:

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I wasn't aware that the UK allowed skilled worker to ply their trade without qualifications, registration or certification. How very interesting.

I guess all those CORGI plumbers are feeling a bit stupid right now, eh?

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:)

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The Stampede: Well, you missed the point of what Conrad was saying. He didn't mean that Brits shouldn't need the qualifications for jobs in OZ but for them to be asked to prove every bit of certification/qualification one has, even if the person has proven track record in the field of working in UK in that trade for many years, for the OZ then turn around and force the person to quantify the skills and experience in minute details, is propesterous and belittling. When skilled people come to UK, they need to prove that they have relevant qualifications and experience. They just need to show they have what it takes to be in that job, whether this experience is gained here or abroad.

Those CORGI plumbers do feel stupid when applying for an OZ visa as they do have recognised qualifications, with most of them plenty of years of solid experience, and yet in OZ, it means so little.

I guess only the surf dudes can get easily to OZ and don't have to justify their skills!

Maybe I am wrong....Now, let's see, which way to hold the board?:rofl:

(Time to grow long and unkept hair, wear a bead ?)

Maybe

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I found exactly the same when I came to the UK. Nobody wanted to see my CV, and employment agencies insisted that I would have to start all over again. I was forced to take a job paying £5 an hour because nobody was interested in anything I had done back home in Australia. It took me several years to work my way back up to a decent salary.

Scottish JIB cards are recognised in Australia, so perhaps it's time for the English plumbing industry to find out how they're doing it, and go about things the same way.

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Interesting post, and although I do agree that there are many hurdles to overcome and red tape to navigate, that is the current process in place to get where you want to be.

So it's a case of get on with it or forget it!,but it's always nice to now you can come on here and vent a little when it's not going to plan.

So as a plumber who is on that road I am happy to do it because that is what I want.

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I appreciate that it must be frustrating, but look at it another way - would you (as an interviewer) recognise another countries qualifications over and above the ones that you know inside out?

As an example, I know the strengths and weaknesses of the various accountancy qualifications that can be obtained within the UK. As a result, depending on what I am looking for in a role, when going through the selection for interview the qualifications tell me quite a bit and assist with the selection process.

I don't expect an Australian employer to necessarily understand the nuances of the various UK qualifications, as they will be far more familiar with the Australian qualifications and I don't see this as wrong, or narrow minded, just realistic.

Its human nature to lean towards what you know, and it is unsurprising that Australian employers don't necessarily understand the ins and outs of UK qualifications. Personally I think the best approach is to determine how to transfer to recognised Australian qualifications in the quickest/easiest time and accept that this is part and parcel of moving to another country - to be honest I doubt that it is a situation unique to Aus.

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If MCP is the best certification that you can mention in your moan, then I am surprised you are actually getting as much as 85k :-)

Re: Does Australia really need skilled workers?
 

Certification and qualification mean everything these days. Sure, you can claim to have decades of experience, but that's still only a claim until you actually prove it.

Yes, Australia needs skilled workers. No, Australia doesn't need skilled workers without any recognised qualifications.

I doubt I would receive much sympathy if I asked the British government to abolish the CORGI system just so I could pick up a spanner and call myself a gas plumber.

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Firstly, Australia accepts only recognised certified skills for someone to obtain a skilled visa. What the OP is stating is that once you get here, those skills and experience are not worth a jot. This is particularly difficult the more skilled you are.

Secondly, I'm not sure if you're a female but if you are, then forget about a career. Your experience, qualifications and ability will make you stand out like a sore thumb which will only serve to irritate, especially if your boss is a male.

Australia is a superb place to live but don't under estimate the crap work ethics. Go back to 1980's UK to understand how it will be out here. Management skills are extremely poor which is why Aus requires skilled workers, because they can't increase GDP themselves. Rather than addressing the cause they bring in skilled workers who all fight for the same jobs who then don't find decent work or decent pay. Basically skilled people doing unskilled work for a pittance. Sounds like a really good economic strategy, especially since skilled migrants tend to bring in money too :)

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A far bigger problem for migrants is not the skills side, obviously you need skills, and the same rules,regs and skills and licences that australians require. Thats what gets people there is far more red tape here, for australians as well.

Plus dont forget austrlias low unemplyoyment - the reason we supposidly need all these workers brought in :sneaky: well your employed if you work 2 hours a week, many 'employed' australians only work a few casual hours a week. That distorts the real amount of jobs going more than anything else.

The australian newspaper recently reported the Rudd government is planning to uptake the migrant intake to 300,000 a year! plus 457 visas, thats a massive amount compared to the workforce size in oz. In other words, so much competition for jobs wages drop.

I can comment on skilled tradespeople, one of the most wanted if you believe the gov speel. Well 2 years ago, we would find 3/4 blokes turn up for jobs if you advertised, chippies, foremen, brickies etc etc, now you will easily get 40+ responses to any job. Theres been a massive influx of migrants, and the economy has slowed, potential migrants should be more worried about that, be skilled and experienced as possible theres not that much work right now in many fields.

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vash most of the time you talk sense, albeit biast towards aus for that i can well understand your an aussie and your standing up for your self and your county ( that must be applauded and i am sincere when i say that )


however you stance that

"Certification and qualification mean everything these days. Sure, you can claim to have decades of experience, but that's still only a claim until you actually prove it."

this statement doesnt seem to hold water over here as even after youve prooved it they still wont employ you without further costly and time consuming training

for example and this is quite long so go and get a cup of tea and a biscuit
( i`m using a sparkie as thats what i am )
i`m mid 40`s full apprentisship 20 odd years in the trade, jib registered and in the uk i ran a NIC qualified company,

in order to emmigrate you need to gain a tra
http://www.workplace.gov.au/workplac...oAustralia.htm
trade recognision australia - for this you need to send off all your certifactes proove your training proove that youve worked in the trade and for whom, it can months tracking down course details employer references etc and finally when its all sent and you get that postive result from the tra and your on to the visa application you think wow that was a real close scutainy of what ive done and yes i thought that was a positive as i wouldnt want any one walking into my country that wasnt fully qualified iether,

so you get your visa and you move down under

all electricans in aus need licenceing ( again i think this is a good idea as it stops bullshitters / pretenders from working )

off to the local electrical safety office

i`m from the uk heres my tra, cpr cert can i have a licence please

no you need an artc
australian recognised trade certificate
http://www.workplace.gov.au/workplac...nresidents.htm
wtf ?? the tra document is only for migration yes it prooves your a tradie but only for migration purposes you need an artc to gain a licence

and your cpr cert isnt valid as it was gained in the uk we will only recognise an australian one, wtf do austrailian hearts beat differently ??
( they didnt like that - no senes of humour )


where does one get an artc, mmm from the tra
yes the same form (identical in fact with a different number at the top )
so you dig all your tra stuff out again send it all off to the tra`s artc dept and they issue an artc in about a month

back to the electrical safety office
with your artc and an aussie cpr cert

yes youve prooved that your qualified heres a permit to train
wtf again ??
you need to do an australian wiring and testing course in the mean time we will let you work under the supervsion of an australian qualified electrican untill youve completed the course at tafe

now your problems really start

can you get a job as a sparkie with a permit to train
can you foook
sorry we cannot afford to have some one hold your hand untill your qualified
we can take you on as a ta ( trades assistant / sparkies mate )
the problem with this it that as a ta you aren`t doing the relevant work that goes towards your tafe corse ( tafe = college/tech )
the local tafes only run one corse a year starting in feb and ending in aug so if you arrive in say june your foooked and have to wait untill the next year

and whats so laughable about all this is that the aussie wiring and testing rules AS 3000 which they are so so keen on getting you to study is more or less a direct copy of the BS7671 aka the uk wiring rules

since doing all of the above to gain an electrical licence ive gone back
and done another course to gain a contractors licence i`ll not bore you with whats needed as it was just as daft as the first

another example of australian licencing

an austrlian sparkie mid 50`s only ever worked in aus, done sparking all his life let his contactors licence lasp as he was working for the local electricity supplier and didnt need it, he decides that he would like to get back into contracting approaches the electrical safey office and he`s refused
he is made to go back to tafe and do the whole of the contractors course again ( feb to aug ) just to get back a licence that he`d previosley had for over twenty years




what a load of b*llocks no wonder qualified people such as plumbers sparkies ect are mowing lawns and working in bunnings the red tape etc associated with working in a trade has gone completely mad

come on where is the sense in all this ???:confused:
cause i can`t see any :confused:


rant over move along theres nothing to see :rofl:




regards steve



so does austalia need skilled workers ??
yes they do
but they make so hard to work that many give up and do something else

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[QUOTE=steve`o;6393087]



another example of australian licencing

an austrlian sparkie mid 50`s only ever worked in aus, done sparking all his life let his contactors licence lasp as he was working for the local electricity supplier and didnt need it, he decides that he would like to get back into contracting approaches the electrical safey office and he`s refused
he is made to go back to tafe and do the whole of the contractors course again ( feb to aug ) just to get back a licence that he`d previosley had for over twenty years

what a load of b*llocks no wonder qualified people such as plumbers sparkies ect are mowing lawns and working in bunnings the red tape etc associated with working in a trade has gone completely mad

come on where is the sense in all this ???:confused:
cause i can`t see any :confused:



Youve made a great point there. Its the same red tape and over zealous certification for the australians too. Its not just crazy regs for immigrants. Sons a spark in an austalian apprenticship now, hardly an easy ride:blink: then all the licencing matters once he qualifies.

Litigation is the main reason, jobs come with licences you get held far more responsible legally and financially for your work in oz. Plus the litigation mentality of australian society, didnt someone on this fourm claim the other day more so than the USA:blink:

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the other thing i cannot understand is once you have your licence thats it
theres no one / body / gov dept that checks that the works to a standard
the only time the local electrical safety office get invloved is iether when theres an accident ( too late ) or a complaint made by a customer

in the uk all electrical companies are iether in the nic or eca ( governing bodies ) and the works regularly checked and if its substandard you can loose your accreditaion which means your out of work
over here they disbanded the electrical inspectors on the insistance of the unions some twenty years back and well sorry to say it but at times it seems that anything goes

Re: Does Australia really need skilled workers?
 

I do appreciate what you're saying about the OP's comments - but that was also what I was replying to! Its the qualifications not being local that I honestly believe is the main issue (give me a few months when we've finally got out there and I may freely stand corrected;))

I may be lucky in my profession as I know several beancounters who have moved with my specific qualification who have had no problem finding work, but I have also taken post graduate qualifications with an Australian University as I felt it would stand me in good stead having an Australian qualification as well. The feedback from the Australian recruitment companies I have spoken to would indicate that it was a good move and I intend to obtain the Australian accountancy qualification after arrival.

I am female, but I don't believe I will be that disadvantaged as I work in a very male dominated environment at the moment (there are only 3 women at my level in my organisation out of 3000 employees and I worked my way up to that level) - a lot of it is knowing how to manage your manager! To be honest, I'll be quite happy if I keep working at the level I am now, the next step up means a total loss of work/life balance no matter where you are in the world and I don't really want that.

Re: Does Australia really need skilled workers?
 

I think Steve O has a really valid point. I am a primary school teacher and have had to go through exactly the same as him when i got here. Everything that was assessed by the governing body for teachers over here in order to get my visa and to prove my teaching is of the same standard as here, has now been re-assessed by the queensland government to get my registration, which has taken 3 months and cost $200.

Then, when this has finally come through, in order to work in state schools i have to fill in and pay and wait for more paperwork. All the time costing more and more money and then after all this and 8 years of teaching under my belt, i am then a provisional primary school teacher for next few years or until i have clocked up a certain number of days teaching to get full teacher registration. I would also need to be interviewed and assessed in front of a panel of old codgers who will then rate me on how good a teacher I am. If I want to work in state schools permanently I have no choice as to where I work and the schools have no choice as to who they employ because the government officials sitting in the back of beyond will send you anywhere in queensland, where they see fit. Regardless of whether you and the school have the same ethos and beliefs in teaching. Schools in the UK choose who they want to employ, based on seeing you, your skills and if you fit in with their way of working and vice versa. I'm not prepared to work in the middle of no-where with some dinosaurs who have never met me before and don't agree with how I teach.

Oh yeah, after all this if i then move to another state, i have to be re-assesed again. Why does Australia not have one countrywide curriculum?

IDIOTS THATS WHY!

Maybe it is a conspiracy to get migrants in here with their pots of gold to increase the economy. They are stuffed if thats the case, as we don't have to two half pennies to rub together.

Anyway all is said and done, i'm back off to blighty

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Good post Steve, and proves it all comes down to money in the end.

Its important to remember that the needs of the federal government aren't neccessarily shared by the various trade and professional licencing bodies. In fact they are diametrically opposed.

The federal government are concerned about the economy as a whole. Skills shortages cause increased inflationary pressure upon wages which is exactly what they don't want.

Licencing bodies are concerned about the profession / trade and their members, not the overall economy. Increasing wages is their primary agenda, and a skills shortage, whether real or percieved, is a very useful means of achieving this.

The government want to increase flow, the licensing authority to restrict flow. I'm sure any half decent plumber (with a positive tra assessment) could draw a better analogy.

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Steve

We need Electricians desperately, and yes we will support them through this red tape. Currently have 20% vacancy rate and its a damn good company to work for. But our problem is competing with the mines who soak up all the talent (but enough of the office staff:sneaky:).

Shane

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steve`o

well said mate i could not have put it better myself, thats the best post on here ive ever seen, again Steve well done mate you deserve a beer or 20.
Can some Pommie buy Stev'o a beer please

Atrhur

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Well, Vash et all, I rest my case: read Steve's great comments and the frustrating steps he had to take to prove that he has been an electrician (almost all his life!). Well done, OZ. Ask people to proof their certification/qualifications (for a tidy sum) to allow emigrants into the country. Then once in the country, ask the same people to get PERMIT to train (for a tidy sum) and then ask them to get local training (for a tidy sum).

A pattern is emerging here...Not really what you want: embrace the skilled worker, more milk that person for every penny.

Vash, did you experience the same thing in UK? Did you emigrate to UK as a skilled labour and had similar experiences with your qualifications to Steve or Lisas? I doubt it.

In regards to me just being only an "MCP" like @boy mentions, in fact I have been a Microsoft Technical Consultant, specialist in .net, BizTalk and Sharepoint technologies, for over 10 years. I took my MCP years ago just to have something and even though Microsoft paid for extra certifications, I didn't take them.
I didn't want to end with MCP, MCSD,LSD, BLAH, BLAH after my name. I have real world experience. I am not collecting acronyms after my name.

I command a salary over £70k (not including benefits) in UK which converts to close to $140k in OZ (at best rates too!) so not sure your quip regarding my OZ salary of $80k a year maybe too much...But point taken if one's just qualified with MCP that could be a lot for them. Not someone who's been a TA and has experience with BizTalk and Sharepoint.

Never mind, my original moan is about the number of steps people have to take to get qualifications recognised in OZ.

I think someone like Steve could wire OZ from East to West, with no problem, and yet, even with his immense expertise in the field backed up with so many years doing the job, the best OZ "experts" could use him for is a trade assistant!! JOKE, the biggest kind!

What about Lisas story too. She had to pay an extra $200 after getting TRA to assess has skills, she had to get the local body to assess them again!

What is the assessment by TRA for then????


My moan is not in regards to the country or the people. The country is an absolute beauty and the people are really cool and have found them to be soooo friendly. Thumbs up to them. When we went to OZ last year, I remember with my OH and my little girl, we were walking in Melbourne city center and stopped off to look at the city map, just to look at it when we were approached by so many people in matters of minutes asking us if were Ok and needed any help. The first time I got asked, I freaked out as I am not used people coming up to me to ask me if I needed help. Sorry, that doesn't happen in UK. Not always.

No, my moan is with the system.

Like you Vash, I am determined to come over to OZ on that "sore" point salary and make my way up.

Just wish that OZ respected other peoples expertise. The same expertise that could help the country.

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I like this thread, liciencing is a good idea the problem is you have a lot of politicians and middle men, unions etc trying to make easy money.Example of a sparky

i.e

500 dollars tra
300 dollars artc
500 dollars college regs etc
400 dollars licience every year not including transfer fee
this doesnt include all the other bullshit liciences you have to pay or go on courses for which you dont need liciences for such as data, plc, high voltage
to name a few

if you want to setup on your own

500 - 1000 dollars buisness course
500 dollars contractors licience course
Plus all your insurances etc
let me know if ive missed anything

skill shortage my arse

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Atrhur or is it Arthur ??
have you already started on thoose beers mate :rofl:

Re: Does Australia really need skilled workers?
 

500 dollars tra
300 dollars artc
500 dollars college regs etc try $2500 for tafe or $1500 for qet !!
400 dollars licience every year not including transfer fee
this doesnt include all the other bullshit liciences you have to pay or go on courses for which you dont need liciences for such as data, plc, high voltage
to name a few
$80 cpr course ( yearly )

if you want to setup on your own

500 - 1000 dollars buisness course try $2500 plus for tafe or $1500 qet
$270 contractors licence fee yearly
$1000 public liability yearly

i wonder why they say its so dear to employ a sparkie ???

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steve`o;

started on the 1st Crown'y mate sorry to say there is only 23 left for you & me.???

Arthur in Melbourne

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To pass for a skilled visa you have to have qualifications recognised worldwide and in some circumstances these qualifications are more esteemed than an Aussie university equivelant. Don't count on Aussie qualification as getting you through the door any more than a UK qualification. You might find your UK experience is the blocker :)

Recruitment agencies want as many candidates on their books as possible as it gives them more of a chance of success if / when a job comes up. It's "alledgedly" a short supply of candidates. Recruitment agencies are no different to real estate agents, they tell you what you want to hear:)

I was one of 3 out of of 25,000. I also live in Aus:)

:rofl:


:rofl:

Sorry to dissapoint but unless you are really, really lucky, if you are at management level you will be more than likely expected to sell your soul for a fairly average salary. If you are a career woman you will generally be up against males as per the UK. the difference being the glass ceiling in UK has all but dissapeard since the 1980's. Also "mateship" or getting a job through your mate is no longer as prevelant in the UK as [in the main] you are chosen for your skill set as opposed to you knowing the right person. In Aus the government promotes women have more kids to populate the country. It's not unusual to have 3 or more kids upto 40+ and the Aus government is proud to promote the baby bonus. What kind of "message" do you think that sends out - subconsiously?

Have you worked in a senior / high powered role in UK - or Aus? :confused:


All skilled workers must pass a rigerous assessment to get a visa. That's what makes this all such a scam:(

Sounds like an excellent strategy. If skilled workers come to Aus and are forced to work in shitty jobs, it won't take much for the educated workforce to increase GDP whilst at the same time the uneducated managers don't have to make any real workplace improvements. Basically the educated migrants will perform unskilled workloads at half the cost than they are worth AND bring cash into the country to boot.

Excellent strategy if you think about it:)

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steve`o;

this thread seems to have opened a can of worms on here mate, we know the crap we have gone through like most other trades.
I know this, over here a number of Australian sparks would not know how to make a Pyro end of regardless of the size of the Pyro.

Then don't mention SWA they would look at you like you have come from the loony bin, then ask them to bend some Galv or black enamel conduit on a pipe bender.

I don't think many of them would pass the standards of workman ship we was taught i have seen some real shocking work here.

As for the licensing its all red tape i don't actually think they have any other suggestions on how to see if a person is a decent trades person but looking at some of the people performing work here in my eyes i would be sending these people back to Tafe to retrain its that shocking.

They have either Not been Trained correctly or they have no idea at all whats expected in the general standard of work. i would say this most UK Electricians are very good & thats down to the on site training by other sparkies in the UK also if you stuff up you get a rolocking then if you do it again you get a clout from the boss & if you continue down that path your gone (P45). thats life as we was taught.

I can say i have seen some very good Australian sparks, then on the other hand i have seen a couple of Australian electricians who have A class licenses
who are NOT able to work on a switchboard, they have the full license but have no experience at all on anything like switchboards 1 x phase or 3 x phase, so god knows how they make a do.

This is not a whinge or complaint i see this all the time so one feels for people who are finding it difficult to obtain a TRA or ARTC.

Stev'o im sorry mate im now down to 19 beers left.?????


Arthur

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this about sums it up ;)

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=474469;)

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Excellent strategy or ....The biggest connery of all time?


By the way Steve o, you better get down to Melbourne and get some of that beer while there are still some left!!!

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There seems to be a big difference from that the Bureaucrats at the federal level and the Bureaucrats and the State level want.
So you have to apply for your Visa at the federal level then do the same at the state level to get what ever license you need.
There also seems to be a big difference in what the Bureaucrats think buiness needs and what they actually want.

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Excellent strategy. Why wouldn't you

a) want the best skilled workers
b) create so many skilled workers all fighting for a small pool of work - in terms of supply & demand this means you get them cheaper than they are really worth.
c) Skilled migrants generally mean assets ergo money into the country.

Bingo - excellent strategy;)

There is absolutely no excuse for federal and state government to take advantage of skilled migrants in this way. If this was a "business" it would be classed as extorsion:sneaky:

As for business Vs government needs: I suspect government keeps asking business leaders why their GDP is crap compared to other western nations. I suspect business tells them it's because there are no skilled labour when in fact the problem is "mates: are placed in jobs they clearly are not capable of doing hence management doesn't know how to work smarter. It's all too easy to say there is a shortage of skilled labour - even stranger still that the skilled labour that does get in gets the crappy jobs:sneaky:

- and around in circles it goes:rolleyes:

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This what is worrying me. My wife is a nurse and will walk into a job out there. I have no skills or trade and will either have to retrain or take a menial job. I have never been out of work in my life!

Re: Does Australia really need skilled workers?
 

hi
really interesting thread
Can anyone tell me what licences etc I am going to need for queensland?
I am a Fabricator/Welder..applied under the title of Boilermaker passed TRA last year, got visa, just gotta sell this bloody house!!

Thanks for any help:thumbsup:
Trev

Re: Does Australia really need skilled workers?
 

I work for a government owned company in Brisbane, absolutely desperate for mechanical and electrical engineers. cant retain staff due to competition from the mining companies and consultants.

Not a bad place to work, PM me for more details, you will need a visa.