Cut & Run Or Just Run?
May 2nd 2004, 3:39 pm
#46
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Originally posted by mazzab2004
The facts from above were shown on "Tonight With Trevor McDonald" but you won't have seen that will you? Of course, I know it's a minority of these people who hold extremist views but the Muslim religion is a very very strong one which they rule their lives by, even those who are born and bred in this country, ie the terrorist suspects they have arrested in Luton. They were born here!!!!!!!!!!!
The facts from above were shown on "Tonight With Trevor McDonald" but you won't have seen that will you? Of course, I know it's a minority of these people who hold extremist views but the Muslim religion is a very very strong one which they rule their lives by, even those who are born and bred in this country, ie the terrorist suspects they have arrested in Luton. They were born here!!!!!!!!!!!
Last time I looked, UK was still a democracy and they are entitled to their views as long as they don't break the law. I, too, know muslims. And most are very reasonable, not the extremists so beloved of the more hysterical elements of the media.
I see the take over every day when I drive down the road. It is like driving through Iraq.
I have also lived amongst these people in High Wycombe as a student and was subject to racial abuse in MY OWN COUNTRY!!!
As I said before, I do not have a problem with those wanting to come here to make a go of it, but I think many see this as the land of free and plenty, with benefits, housing, free health care etc, and can you explain why the majority of asylum seekers pass through a dozen safe countries to get here????? Then again who can blame them????
The UK ought to take a leaf out of Australia's book. Look at the strict criterea you come up against. You have to speak the language, be able to support yourself, be skilled, the list goes on..
I'll also bring up the incident of the ship full of asylum seekers who turned up on Australia's shores and were turned away
I'm not getting into an argument about this. As I said earlier, these are my views which frankly I think I'm entitled to...and I don't need facts and figures when I see it with my own eyes.
Of course you are entitled to your views. But, the phrase "get a grip" comes to mind.
In the meantime, do you need any assistance with your Oz visa application?
May 2nd 2004, 10:59 pm
#47
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Re: Cut & Run Or Just Run?
Originally posted by mazzab2004
Well we have had enough and a scarpering now before this country becomes an islamic state.
Well we have had enough and a scarpering now before this country becomes an islamic state.
May 3rd 2004, 3:27 am
#48
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Mike,
you put it so much more eloquently than I ever could.
Here Here (or is it hear hear)?
Thankyou,
Bella
you put it so much more eloquently than I ever could.
Here Here (or is it hear hear)?
Thankyou,
Bella
Originally posted by MikeStanton
Only 11 exclamation marks? So what that they were born here? As were some of the IRA bombers and those that protected them - well, that's the extremist religion, Catholicism, for you Last time I looked, UK was still a democracy and they are entitled to their views as long as they don't break the law. I, too, know muslims. And most are very reasonable, not the extremists so beloved of the more hysterical elements of the media.
What take-over? In UK, muslims represent about 3% of the population (compared with ~6%+ in France) . Are you saying that there will be an imman in Number 10 ? It's like Iraq? Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Luton, Falujah, High Wycombe - all are easy to confuse with each other....
Perhaps not unlike black and Asian people born in UK?
Perhaps, because UK economy is in better shape than most of the other EU states? Research shows that most countries get a net benefit from immigration. Jeez, the only reason that Oz has become more interesting than a closed supermarket is that, in the 1970s, it opened-up immigration to a much more diverse range of races - not just concentrating on little ol' whitey from UK. As for the flood of immigrants to the UK, especially after 10 more countries joined EU, even the Sunday Mirror commented today DELUGE .. WHAT FLOODY DELUGE?
Please show me any credible research that supports your implied view that an Oz-like approach creates a more successful society. As we know, %age overall unemployment and crime - including murder - are higher in Oz compared with UK. And an increasing % of native-born Aussies are leaving Oz permanently (just check the DIMIA stats)...
Yes, good idea to bring it up. The asylum seekers - desperate men, women and children - were so scary that the Oz government had to send the Australian SAS to turn them away. What a fair match. That little stunt by Oz did a huge amount of damage to its international standing. Imagine if you had been on that boat.
Talking of those pesky muslims, you might want to close your eyes to the Sydney (Lebanese?) gangs that specifically target non-muslim women to rape.
Of course you are entitled to your views. But, the phrase "get a grip" comes to mind.
In the meantime, do you need any assistance with your Oz visa application?
Only 11 exclamation marks? So what that they were born here? As were some of the IRA bombers and those that protected them - well, that's the extremist religion, Catholicism, for you
Last time I looked, UK was still a democracy and they are entitled to their views as long as they don't break the law. I, too, know muslims. And most are very reasonable, not the extremists so beloved of the more hysterical elements of the media. What take-over? In UK, muslims represent about 3% of the population (compared with ~6%+ in France) . Are you saying that there will be an imman in Number 10 ? It's like Iraq? Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Luton, Falujah, High Wycombe - all are easy to confuse with each other....
Perhaps not unlike black and Asian people born in UK?
Perhaps, because UK economy is in better shape than most of the other EU states? Research shows that most countries get a net benefit from immigration. Jeez, the only reason that Oz has become more interesting than a closed supermarket is that, in the 1970s, it opened-up immigration to a much more diverse range of races - not just concentrating on little ol' whitey from UK. As for the flood of immigrants to the UK, especially after 10 more countries joined EU, even the Sunday Mirror commented today DELUGE .. WHAT FLOODY DELUGE?
Please show me any credible research that supports your implied view that an Oz-like approach creates a more successful society. As we know, %age overall unemployment and crime - including murder - are higher in Oz compared with UK. And an increasing % of native-born Aussies are leaving Oz permanently (just check the DIMIA stats)...
Yes, good idea to bring it up. The asylum seekers - desperate men, women and children - were so scary that the Oz government had to send the Australian SAS to turn them away. What a fair match. That little stunt by Oz did a huge amount of damage to its international standing. Imagine if you had been on that boat.
Talking of those pesky muslims, you might want to close your eyes to the Sydney (Lebanese?) gangs that specifically target non-muslim women to rape.
Of course you are entitled to your views. But, the phrase "get a grip" comes to mind.
In the meantime, do you need any assistance with your Oz visa application?
May 3rd 2004, 3:33 am
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The bottle shop thing is a minor inconvenience but still an unnecesary one. I think the situation says more about the wowser larrikin relationship and the corruption of politics by the AHA. Liquor licenses are pretty much dead mans boots and the hotel industry is very keen to keep it that way.
May 3rd 2004, 4:21 am
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Originally posted by MikeStanton
Only 11 exclamation marks? So what that they were born here? As were some of the IRA bombers and those that protected them - well, that's the extremist religion, Catholicism, for you Last time I looked, UK was still a democracy and they are entitled to their views as long as they don't break the law. I, too, know muslims. And most are very reasonable, not the extremists so beloved of the more hysterical elements of the media.
What take-over? In UK, muslims represent about 3% of the population (compared with ~6%+ in France) . Are you saying that there will be an imman in Number 10 ? It's like Iraq? Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Luton, Falujah, High Wycombe - all are easy to confuse with each other....
Perhaps not unlike black and Asian people born in UK?
Perhaps, because UK economy is in better shape than most of the other EU states? Research shows that most countries get a net benefit from immigration. Jeez, the only reason that Oz has become more interesting than a closed supermarket is that, in the 1970s, it opened-up immigration to a much more diverse range of races - not just concentrating on little ol' whitey from UK. As for the flood of immigrants to the UK, especially after 10 more countries joined EU, even the Sunday Mirror commented today DELUGE .. WHAT FLOODY DELUGE?
Please show me any credible research that supports your implied view that an Oz-like approach creates a more successful society. As we know, %age overall unemployment and crime - including murder - are higher in Oz compared with UK. And an increasing % of native-born Aussies are leaving Oz permanently (just check the DIMIA stats)...
Yes, good idea to bring it up. The asylum seekers - desperate men, women and children - were so scary that the Oz government had to send the Australian SAS to turn them away. What a fair match. That little stunt by Oz did a huge amount of damage to its international standing. Imagine if you had been on that boat.
Talking of those pesky muslims, you might want to close your eyes to the Sydney (Lebanese?) gangs that specifically target non-muslim women to rape.
Of course you are entitled to your views. But, the phrase "get a grip" comes to mind.
In the meantime, do you need any assistance with your Oz visa application?
Only 11 exclamation marks? So what that they were born here? As were some of the IRA bombers and those that protected them - well, that's the extremist religion, Catholicism, for you
Last time I looked, UK was still a democracy and they are entitled to their views as long as they don't break the law. I, too, know muslims. And most are very reasonable, not the extremists so beloved of the more hysterical elements of the media. What take-over? In UK, muslims represent about 3% of the population (compared with ~6%+ in France) . Are you saying that there will be an imman in Number 10 ? It's like Iraq? Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Luton, Falujah, High Wycombe - all are easy to confuse with each other....
Perhaps not unlike black and Asian people born in UK?
Perhaps, because UK economy is in better shape than most of the other EU states? Research shows that most countries get a net benefit from immigration. Jeez, the only reason that Oz has become more interesting than a closed supermarket is that, in the 1970s, it opened-up immigration to a much more diverse range of races - not just concentrating on little ol' whitey from UK. As for the flood of immigrants to the UK, especially after 10 more countries joined EU, even the Sunday Mirror commented today DELUGE .. WHAT FLOODY DELUGE?
Please show me any credible research that supports your implied view that an Oz-like approach creates a more successful society. As we know, %age overall unemployment and crime - including murder - are higher in Oz compared with UK. And an increasing % of native-born Aussies are leaving Oz permanently (just check the DIMIA stats)...
Yes, good idea to bring it up. The asylum seekers - desperate men, women and children - were so scary that the Oz government had to send the Australian SAS to turn them away. What a fair match. That little stunt by Oz did a huge amount of damage to its international standing. Imagine if you had been on that boat.
Talking of those pesky muslims, you might want to close your eyes to the Sydney (Lebanese?) gangs that specifically target non-muslim women to rape.
Of course you are entitled to your views. But, the phrase "get a grip" comes to mind.
In the meantime, do you need any assistance with your Oz visa application?
I think you've covered pretty much everything I was going to say Mike, thanks for saving me the trouble.
One of my best friends is a Muslim, and he is one of the nicest, most well spoken and well-educated people I know, and he is highly religious. His family are incredibly friendly and kind. It's an eye-opener to me that people who really believe the popular caricatures of Muslims really exist. Extremists are just that - extreme minorities that don't represent their overculture.
You know that all white British people aren't like the National Front, right?
May 3rd 2004, 7:16 am
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Originally posted by estarriol
You know that all white British people aren't like the National Front, right?
You know that all white British people aren't like the National Front, right?
May 3rd 2004, 4:36 pm
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Originally posted by Grayling
Well Mazzab
Did you say at one point you were thinking of Victoria?
I would avoid Melbourne if I were you. Far too many Indochinese and Asians for you to cope with
You are doing yourself no favours posting those sort of views on here.
Australia is NOT all white and all Christian
Mind you it is full of immigrants
And YOU will be one
G
Well Mazzab
Did you say at one point you were thinking of Victoria?
I would avoid Melbourne if I were you. Far too many Indochinese and Asians for you to cope with
You are doing yourself no favours posting those sort of views on here.
Australia is NOT all white and all Christian
Mind you it is full of immigrants
And YOU will be one
G
My view is that everyone should be given a go if they're prepared to work and contribute to our economy. Many don't, either because they can't speak the language or are illegal immigrants.
Haven't you heard of the recent farce of the government letting one legged roof tilers in etc? No wander people have strong feelings. This argument branches out into many areas and as usual, I am branded as racist for airing my views which is why the right wing parties are gaining seats.
I don't have a problem with Australia being multi cultural. I know it is. But Australia expects you to work and contribute to their economy. Not to be a drain on their resources.
May 3rd 2004, 11:05 pm
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Originally posted by mazzab2004
Someone asked me why my husband was so fed up with the UK and I explained the main reason and was attacked for my point of view...
My view is that everyone should be given a go if they're prepared to work and contribute to our economy. Many don't, either because they can't speak the language or are illegal immigrants.
Haven't you heard of the recent farce of the government letting one legged roof tilers in etc? No wander people have strong feelings. This argument branches out into many areas and as usual, I am branded as racist for airing my views which is why the right wing parties are gaining seats.
I don't have a problem with Australia being multi cultural. I know it is. But Australia expects you to work and contribute to their economy. Not to be a drain on their resources.
Someone asked me why my husband was so fed up with the UK and I explained the main reason and was attacked for my point of view...
My view is that everyone should be given a go if they're prepared to work and contribute to our economy. Many don't, either because they can't speak the language or are illegal immigrants.
Haven't you heard of the recent farce of the government letting one legged roof tilers in etc? No wander people have strong feelings. This argument branches out into many areas and as usual, I am branded as racist for airing my views which is why the right wing parties are gaining seats.
I don't have a problem with Australia being multi cultural. I know it is. But Australia expects you to work and contribute to their economy. Not to be a drain on their resources.
Anyhow as you don't like facts whats the point. Your post was rediculed because it was rediculous and maybe you should relook at why you are emigrating.
May 3rd 2004, 11:09 pm
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Re: Cut & Run Or Just Run?
Originally posted by Amazulu
If you are worried by this, I would be more concerned about Turkey joining the EU. Now that would be dangerous. I don't think a few muslims mouthing off (or even letting off a few bombs), are going to topple our government.
If you are worried by this, I would be more concerned about Turkey joining the EU. Now that would be dangerous. I don't think a few muslims mouthing off (or even letting off a few bombs), are going to topple our government.
Europes borders are enourmous and easily penetrated so I doubt Turkeys inclusions to the EU would increase the risks of terror.
