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Old Dec 9th 2009 | 12:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Aussie30
I am really sorry to hear that your child was bullied, but as a teacher and having worked in the the childcare and teaching profession in Australia for 10 years I find your comment quite offensive. Without fail I will ring a parent if a child in my care is hurt, as would most teachers. To be honest a lot of parents I have called have been cross with me to have been 'bothered' at work because of their child being ill or hurt. This could be why some teachers don't want to ring parents unless the injury is more serious.
No doubt you are a very caring and repsonsible teacher then and rightly so. I can only judge on my experiences and they were that my daughter's teacher did not see why she/we were so traumatised by the incident. In fact, it was suggested that she had made it up to get attention.

As for some parents being "bothered" about being rung at work etc - yes I can understand that could be an issue at times for teachers making it sometimes difficult for them to know what to do for the best.
 
Old Dec 9th 2009 | 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by merleoberon
its the australian so called "laid back" attitude ie dont give a stuff -she/he'll be right and all that.
Nonsense. It's a human error that happens everywhere. No excuse for it, the foot was treated, a mistake was then made in not calling the parent.

OP I'd definitely ring and mention politely that you were surprised not be called about the incident and that you just wanted to put their minds at rest that no bones were broken in the accident, in case they need to put it in their records
 
Old Dec 9th 2009 | 12:57 pm
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The school should have mentioned it.

Hubby is a primary teacher in your town. Teachers should inform the parents.
Id give them a polite call to discuss the matter.
My hubby is on phone all the time to parents to discuss stuff, just the same as back in the UK.

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Old Dec 9th 2009 | 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by merleoberon
its the australian so called "laid back" attitude ie dont give a stuff -she/he'll be right and all that. when my daughter was being bullied and they cut her hair off, the general feeling was to tell her to get over it
Sorry to be blunt, but cutting off someone else hair is abnormal behavior. Anywhere. Anytime. Criminal in most places.
 
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Originally Posted by DoubleCabbage
Sorry to be blunt, but cutting off someone else hair is abnormal behavior. Anywhere. Anytime. Criminal in most places.
Assume Merle did the same but if that had happened to my kid, the shit would have severely hit the fan, to hell with what the 'general feeling' was.
 
Old Dec 9th 2009 | 5:09 pm
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I've had many instances where my children have been bullied or injured at school and I've never received a phone call. One time my eldest got hit on the temple by a baseball-type of ball and the teacher told him to walk over to the staff room to get some ice, but he was too upset to do it. The teacher meanwhile carried on "supervising" the game of baseball. As it was near the end of school, and my son was still in pain and upset, the teacher got another child to walk him to the after-school care building. It was the after-school care people who gave him an ice pack and rang me to tell me what had happened and to come and pick him up.
 
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Originally Posted by Howard Jenings
My son has come home from school today with a bad injury to his big toe. Him and some other children were carrying tables and one fell on his foot, his nail is totally black and has lifted off on the side. It has been bleeding since he did it at 2pm, not really badly but when he walks on it it bleeds. He was seen by a first-aider at school who told him his nail would probably come off, I have to agree with them there. It is not broken as he has great movement in it and he says he is in no pain unless someone touches it. Now I know from teaching in the UK that if a child had an injury such as this the school would phone to let us know and they would probably be sent home. No-one contacted us, my son got the bus to my husbands school and told us about it then, surely the school should have let us know. :curse::curse:
For an injury such as this, it is part of life, he was in no way in danger. Personally, I think kids should toughen up, they want bandaids for paper cuts, and to stop work, because small injuries get made such a fuss of. Parents, stop the mollycoddling!
 
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Originally Posted by merleoberon
I am not basing my judgement on one or two incidents - I am basing them on my general experiences whilst living in Australia for 3 plus years.

Australia is generally thought of as a "laid back" place and Australians love to portray themselve as such. My experience is that this laid backness manifests itself as a "couldn't care less attitude" and I have found Australians to be generally less concerned for the welfare of others unless it is something that impacts directly upon them. This is my experience of living here which may be different to others experiences of living here - hence we will have different opinions. At the end of the day, only our own experiences can determine how we feel about a place.
Do you seriously think people should work themselves into a lather because of a toe injury????? Seriously, in a case like this, a "she will be right" attitude IS appropriate. With other incidents like bullying, yes then action and informing the parents is necessary. We are making a mistake by carrying on about things like toe injuries, next thing you know, students won't be allowed to carry tables and help out at school in case the preciouses hurt themselves. Heaven forbid they are ever required to go to war and do something that might require a bit of fortitude!
 
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Originally Posted by aussietobe
For an injury such as this, it is part of life, he was in no way in danger. Personally, I think kids should toughen up, they want bandaids for paper cuts, and to stop work, because small injuries get made such a fuss of. Parents, stop the mollycoddling!
It is not mollycoddling to expect to get a graze cleaned up with some type of anti-septic. Twice this year the teacher has not cleaned up my child or sent him to the school office, and on both occasions the graze got infected as it had dirt in it all day. The first time he had 2 different types of anti-biotics, the 2nd time one course = cost of visits to GP + cost of antibiotics + cost of dressings + pain and nuisance for my child = lack of care at school.
 
Old Dec 9th 2009 | 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by aussietobe
For an injury such as this, it is part of life, he was in no way in danger. Personally, I think kids should toughen up, they want bandaids for paper cuts, and to stop work, because small injuries get made such a fuss of. Parents, stop the mollycoddling!
The issue being discussed here is the school's responsibility of informing the parents, not "spoiling" our kids.

Let me ask you this: does the school know if there is a hairline fracture on one of those tiny bones? Do you know what happens when fractures don't heal the right way? I know, because I had one (but not at school), and didn't tell my parents because I thought it was a minor thing. I have a twisted digit as testimony. I was an idiot for not telling my parents, but then I was a kid.

There are adults at school. We have put our faith in them, and our money too.

Getting hit in the temple?? What if the kid goes in and out of sleep in the evening, and the parents don't suspect a thing? Google it. See what you get. We don't live in the dark ages. Mortality rates are lower for a reason. Ice pack- yeah right.

There is a difference between a papercut and a hit to the temple or a crushing injury. School teachers and administrators who don't know should go back to school. Wait...they already are!
 
Old Dec 9th 2009 | 5:48 pm
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Originally Posted by aussietobe
Do you seriously think people should work themselves into a lather because of a toe injury????? Seriously, in a case like this, a "she will be right" attitude IS appropriate. With other incidents like bullying, yes then action and informing the parents is necessary. We are making a mistake by carrying on about things like toe injuries, next thing you know, students won't be allowed to carry tables and help out at school in case the preciouses hurt themselves. Heaven forbid they are ever required to go to war and do something that might require a bit of fortitude!
while I agree that over pampering kids and wrapping them in cotton wool is not a good idea, i also would point out that I wouldnt have thought the OP would be posting a thread such as this on BExpats if she wasnt worried by the extent of the injury? dropping a table on a toe could actually be quite dangerous I would think?? I have seen people need their toe nail removed after such an injury
 
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Originally Posted by Janna and Nick
I'd partly say they should have rung you but on the other hand, where did the "call the parents" mentality come from? The H&S, big brother United Kingdom.
What a stupid statement

I have found this place to be far more Health and safety obsessed than any place I worked in the UK.

You haven't worked in Australia have you?...if you had you would know.
 
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Originally Posted by merleoberon
I am not basing my judgement on one or two incidents - I am basing them on my general experiences whilst living in Australia for 3 plus years.

Australia is generally thought of as a "laid back" place and Australians love to portray themselve as such. My experience is that this laid backness manifests itself as a "couldn't care less attitude" and I have found Australians to be generally less concerned for the welfare of others unless it is something that impacts directly upon them. This is my experience of living here which may be different to others experiences of living here - hence we will have different opinions. At the end of the day, only our own experiences can determine how we feel about a place.
There is a difference between laid back and selfish.

"I have found Australians to be generally less concerned for the welfare of others unless it is something that impacts directly upon them" suggests Australians are less caring/more selfish than other countries.

Suggesting one country has more uncaring/selfish people than another country just does not make sense in my book - basic human traits manifest themselves in the same percentages everywhere I would wager. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and I wouldn't expect you to change it, this is just mine.
 
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Originally Posted by merleoberon
I am not basing my judgement on one or two incidents - I am basing them on my general experiences whilst living in Australia for 3 plus years.

Australia is generally thought of as a "laid back" place and Australians love to portray themselve as such. My experience is that this laid backness manifests itself as a "couldn't care less attitude" and I have found Australians to be generally less concerned for the welfare of others unless it is something that impacts directly upon them. This is my experience of living here which may be different to others experiences of living here - hence we will have different opinions. At the end of the day, only our own experiences can determine how we feel about a place.
Oh right, so you are allowed to make sweeping statements about an entire country after living there for 3 years!? Does that mean after 12 months in the UK I can also make sweeping statements about people there? After living in the UK for 12 months I could not believe how rude and uncaring people there could be, I look forward to going back to Australia where people actually say hello and smile at you at the supermarket, instead of walking around with a flippin' scowl on your face!
Australians are known around the world for their friendly, caring attitude, we have much more of a willingness to help others, compared to the 'shut your doors and don't get involved' mentality of the EU. I don't understand why you are living in Australia if you think everyone there is uncaring and selfish??
 
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Originally Posted by Aussie30
Australians are known around the world for their friendly, caring attitude, we have much more of a willingness to help others


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