pommie bastard

[QUOTE]Originally posted by anzen12
No, I mean Fair Go, otherwise I would have said Fair Play. You may not have noticed, but this thread is about schools, not about whether pommiebastard has received a fair go.

I stand by my comments. [/QUOTE

Of course its about education not my problem at all , so all Australia children get a Fair Go, does make wonder why there are fee paying schools when all are treated equal as is the true meaning of this bull ?

anzen12

I'm sorry, what are you talking about??

pommie bastard

. There are always plenty of levels, so he has had the opportunity to work his way up. There is a lot of emphasis on giving everyone a "fair go"


So there is not a division in education between state and fee paying schools each has the same funding? as I would expect a Fair Go country.

madmancunian

Ah PB you feeling a little lost in this world as there are so few socialist paradises left? Even China is moving a little to the right these days - perhaps North Korea would suit you best?

You know Maggie T may have left office - but her ghost lingers on. As you have been dreaming of the UK so much these days, we've got to wonder if you've been drinking too much Ale and watching too many re-runs of Heartbeat.

pommie bastard

Looking around here China and Australia are becoming one people , and most products sold here are made in China as you know.
The word Fair Go denotes a socialist paradise not Australia as most know , looking at their sportsmen the word fair is not used, cheat is nearer the mark.

Sandra

Do you have to spoil everything PB, we are a few people swopping personal information on schools. You have no knowledge of this area and have interceeded with a pile of proverbial bullshite again.

There is a tab open to everyone under preferences for an ignore list you can add the name of anyone you do not wish to view their mails. Which I shall now be doing to this. I am still open to discuss the topic of schools just none of the rubbish that PB has to spout.

Regards

pommie bastard

Explain what you mean by spoil to question is to spoil, the only person on this post who has a job here as a teacher as rubbished the schools far more than me?

anzen12

pb you seem to get a perverse delight in trying to irritate people. I have an image of you typing a response and giggling behind your hands.

And yet every now and then you say something thought provoking.

Instead of hijacking genuine questions why don't you stick to starting your own threads or saving your responses for intentionally controversial subjects?

pommie bastard

Sorry its just some of the sayings here seem to have little or no meaning it was not my intention to give a view on the schools here either way .
Having had my son educated to a good standard in the UK it bothers me not, on the state of Australian schools , but maybe this could give food for though like I say not my problem.

EDUCATION BUDGET SHRINKS


In 1983, 3.6% of Australia's GDP was spent on schools.

By 1997/98, only 2.7% of GDP was spent on schools.

This decline in the priority of education means schools have $5 billion less funding than they would have had if their share of GDP had stayed at 1983 levels.

STATE SCHOOLS GET LESS


In 1982, the vast majority of Commonwealth education funding went to state schools. The situation changed markedly in 1983 when, under the Hawke Government, private schools for the first time received a higher proportion of Commonwealth funding than state schools.

In 1996, 57% of Commonwealth education funding went to private schools.

In 2003, this will rise to 65% of total Commonwealth education funding going to private schools.

anzen12

This is another example of selective quoting. The Commonwealth Government is only part of the funding process. Most of the State funding goes to public schools. Your quotation came from the Teachers Union website. Your previous posts don't seem to have a high opinion of Aussie teachers

Following quote is from the Aust. Financial Review:

In Australia we have a robust, fully-funded government schools sector educating about 70% of students. The non-government sector – also robust and not-for-profit – is only partially government-funded, yet is still accountable to government and must meet the nationally agreed goals of schooling.


This arrangement – supported by successive Coalition and Labor governments since the 1970s – successfully harnesses a high level of private contribution for schooling. Currently that contribution stands at around $2.6 billion a year. (In other words, if the one million students now enrolled in non-government schools were to join the two million or so students already in government schools, governments would need to find another $2.6 billion to educate them.)

Bernard

PB, I have not 'rubbished' Aus schools, simply trying to give objective opinion.
One of the problems is that the British press are intent on rubbishing UK public services (probably as part of a pro-privatisation agenda, in some cases) and have contrived to convince their readership that British education and health services are the worst in the world. Sadly I have met some ex-UK parents who have been convinced by these stories and left the UK for Aus. Their kids turn up in schools here and then they're horrified that the school is not as good as the one they left in the UK. Australian schools are not rubbish, but (on the average) they are definitely not as good as UK schools. A reasonably bright state-educated kid will also find it much easier to get into university in the UK than in Aus - Aus university places go preferentially to overseas Asian students (who pay high fees), then private school pupils and finally state school pupils.

As I've said before, I have some years experience in both UK and Aus schools (and also brief spells in the US and Germany) and its my opinion that British schools are the best in the English-speaking world. They are not, however, up to the standard of schools in the German-speaking countries and Scandinavia - education is taken very seriously in those countries and their education systems (and the behaviour of the kids) are quite simply brilliant.

The dedication of UK teachers never fails to impress me and most go over and above 'the call of duty' to ensure that their children get a good education. Teaching in Aus is seen as less of a vocation and more as a 'job'. Relatively few teachers have permanent contracts and the pay is (relative to other professions) quite low, so there is less loyalty than one would find in the UK. A considerable number of teachers are leaving Aus to work in the UK, US and Canada, where they can earn a lot more.

What I find quite surprising is the number of people on this forum who are UK-based and intending to migrate on flimsy advice; i.e. "met a few Australians who seemed well-educated", "things must be better in Aus" - that's precious little information to base such a major decision on. I think you need to work here for at least 6 months before you really get to know the pro's and con's.

pommie bastard

The fact the state plows money into private education causes a two level education system ,the private shools are far better funded thanks to this so hardly your Fair Go is it?

anzen12

I said the State puts money into public schools. In Australia, public schools are just that, public. Not private.

Perhaps you also missed my point that $2.6 billion is paid for by the parents who send their children to private schools. If they went to public schools, the government would have to pay that amount.

I send my son to a public school out of choice. He gets a Fair Go at a varied and challenging education and it doesn't cost me hardly anything.

However, as long as I work harder than the person next to me (and perhaps earn more money) I reserve my and defend other people's right to spend it as I/they wish.

If we were all forced to work at the same level, then I would expect the same pay and similar conditions. But we are not.

pommie bastard

Think of it this way should the state fund fee paying schools that are of a higher standard than that of state schools that is not a level playing field .
I have no problem with private schools but if state money is injected then its a case of looking after those who do not need it.
The same thing happens here as the UK the school you attend singles you out ,reguarding the doors that will open for you.
State schools get worse results in exams than private, shows how Fairer Go that your children will get.

anzen12

Where do you get your figures from? As far as I am aware, in NSW State schools do as well if not better than private.