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Ozzidoc Feb 1st 2008 8:36 pm

Re: children's vaxinations
 

Originally Posted by Pomster (Post 5868083)
.....But with MMR there is still the concern re possible links with autism.



No concern in the medical field.

Someone with VERY poor science had an interesting hypothesis, tried it out on 12 kids - without ethics approval, and decided the equivalent that "having a colour TVs in the home MAY be related to autism". (Afterall, children who get autism live in houses with colour TVs.)

Medical doctors are now being taught at med school just how research should be undertaken, and what constitutes robust research.

The Wakefield paper is actually hilarious to read once you have about 5 hours education on what "good" research looks like. From an educational point of view, I think that this was the disaster we had to have. From a public health viewpoint, it was VERY unhelpful.

hitchcock71 Feb 3rd 2008 3:04 pm

Re: children's vaxinations
 

Originally Posted by Ozzidoc (Post 5872801)
No concern in the medical field.

Someone with VERY poor science had an interesting hypothesis, tried it out on 12 kids - without ethics approval, and decided the equivalent that "having a colour TVs in the home MAY be related to autism". (Afterall, children who get autism live in houses with colour TVs.)

Medical doctors are now being taught at med school just how research should be undertaken, and what constitutes robust research.

The Wakefield paper is actually hilarious to read once you have about 5 hours education on what "good" research looks like. From an educational point of view, I think that this was the disaster we had to have. From a public health viewpoint, it was VERY unhelpful.

well said xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

good post xxxx

WithIce Feb 3rd 2008 3:44 pm

Re: children's vaxinations
 
Has anybody got a link for the immunisation schedule in OZ?

When we moved to NZ from the UK they had to have some extra jabs, just wondered if OZ is the same as UK or NZ or has a different requirement?

Thanks

WithIce x

comet555 Feb 3rd 2008 6:09 pm

Re: children's vaxinations
 

Originally Posted by WithIce (Post 5880960)
Has anybody got a link for the immunisation schedule in OZ?

When we moved to NZ from the UK they had to have some extra jabs, just wondered if OZ is the same as UK or NZ or has a different requirement?

Thanks

WithIce x

Immunization schedule:
http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/in...f/Content/nips

WithIce Feb 5th 2008 4:33 pm

Re: children's vaxinations
 
Thanks Comet555!

WithIce x

hereshoping Feb 5th 2008 8:04 pm

Re: children's vaxinations
 

Originally Posted by Ozzidoc (Post 5872801)
The Wakefield paper is actually hilarious to read once you have about 5 hours education on what "good" research looks like. From an educational point of view, I think that this was the disaster we had to have. From a public health viewpoint, it was VERY unhelpful.

5 Hours education on good research? I wouldn't have thought it would take anywhere near that long!

I give my year 10 students 30mins and a computer with internet access to try and answer the question 'does the MMR vaccine cause autism' we've been doing this acitivity for many year, prob over 200 students, and never had a single one come back saying they believe it does after looking at the evidence.

It always amazes me that teenagers can get their head round this easily but some adults stuggle.

comet555 Feb 5th 2008 8:17 pm

Re: children's vaxinations
 

Originally Posted by hereshoping (Post 5892841)
It always amazes me that teenagers can get their head round this easily but some adults stuggle.

:rofl::D

Ozzidoc Feb 6th 2008 2:18 am

Re: children's vaxinations
 

Originally Posted by hereshoping (Post 5892841)
5 Hours education on good research? I wouldn't have thought it would take anywhere near that long!

I give my year 10 students 30mins and a computer with internet access to try and answer the question 'does the MMR vaccine cause autism' we've been doing this acitivity for many year, prob over 200 students, and never had a single one come back saying they believe it does after looking at the evidence.

It always amazes me that teenagers can get their head round this easily but some adults stuggle.

LOL

I think we might have a total of 50 contact hours hrs.

We have to understand all sorts of things: research techniques, statistical mthods, ethics, clinical difference compared/meaning of a positive or negative result, Presentation of results. Confounders. I could go on..... LOL :) I quite like it all actually, nerd that I am :)

hereshoping Feb 6th 2008 4:54 am

Re: children's vaxinations
 

Originally Posted by Ozzidoc (Post 5894351)
LOL

I think we might have a total of 50 contact hours hrs.

We have to understand all sorts of things: research techniques, statistical mthods, ethics, clinical difference compared/meaning of a positive or negative result, Presentation of results. Confounders. I could go on..... LOL :) I quite like it all actually, nerd that I am :)

Yeah I did kinda figure Docs needed to know a bit more than teenagers ;) though actually a lot of that stuff is now on the sylabus so maybe the next generation will be a bit more critical.

I'm actually very surprised this is a new thing at med school (or did I missunderstand?)

Ozzidoc Feb 6th 2008 5:58 am

Re: children's vaxinations
 

Originally Posted by hereshoping (Post 5894993)
Yeah I did kinda figure Docs needed to know a bit more than teenagers ;) though actually a lot of that stuff is now on the sylabus so maybe the next generation will be a bit more critical.

I'm actually very surprised this is a new thing at med school (or did I missunderstand?)

No you didn't misunderstand it. It might have been on the syllabus for a little while now, but I know that everyone pays much more attention to it now. Quite a few consultants & GPs mention that "we never had any of this when we were at med school" :)


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