Changes for kiwis in australia
Jan 19th 2013, 7:24 pm
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Re: Changes for kiwis in australia
Is the Australia and New Zealand situation the closest two countries can get without being one Country ? Anywhere else in the world similar ? The UAE and the West Indies springs to mind ?
Jan 19th 2013, 11:37 pm
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Re: Changes for kiwis in australia
schengen common area in europe.
Jan 20th 2013, 1:35 am
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Re: Changes for kiwis in australia
The Schengen really just refers to the visa free travel area.
I would say the entire European Union is probably the closest countries can get without being one country. I mean you can work and live in any member state, an awful lot of legal actions are common across the countries (e.g. you go bankrupt in the UK you are bankrupt across Europe, in fact people engage in bankruptcy tourism to the UK because it is less onerous than going bankrupt in other EU states). EU laws control what you can and can't do in the UK in many aspects.
Aside from economic initiative and the freedom of travel, Aus and NZ are very independent countries.
I would say the entire European Union is probably the closest countries can get without being one country. I mean you can work and live in any member state, an awful lot of legal actions are common across the countries (e.g. you go bankrupt in the UK you are bankrupt across Europe, in fact people engage in bankruptcy tourism to the UK because it is less onerous than going bankrupt in other EU states). EU laws control what you can and can't do in the UK in many aspects.
Aside from economic initiative and the freedom of travel, Aus and NZ are very independent countries.
Jan 20th 2013, 1:54 am
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You see that attitude has always confused me a bit, especially from British immigrants who have unfettered access to Europe, because it is not clearly a case of NZ'ers getting preferential treatment over other countries. NZ & Aus have many things in common, similar geographic location, history, culture and so it makes sense to set this sort of relationship up. Additionally I think you will find that the NZ'ers impact on the Australian economy is positive, as studies have shown. The restrictions on NZ'ers has also been recognised as being pretty dodgy/racist from various global organisations.
Jan 20th 2013, 9:55 am
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Jan 20th 2013, 11:17 am
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Jan 20th 2013, 2:43 pm
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Re: Changes for kiwis in australia
You see that attitude has always confused me a bit, especially from British immigrants who have unfettered access to Europe, because it is not clearly a case of NZ'ers getting preferential treatment over other countries. NZ & Aus have many things in common, similar geographic location, history, culture and so it makes sense to set this sort of relationship up. Additionally I think you will find that the NZ'ers impact on the Australian economy is positive, as studies have shown. The restrictions on NZ'ers has also been recognised as being pretty dodgy/racist from various global organisations.
Have a read of the comments here for example
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fai...itizens-in-oz/
Jan 20th 2013, 5:28 pm
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You cannot compare the relationship between the Isle of Man (a Crown Dependency) and the United Kingdom to that between two sovereign nations. A closer comparison of the IOM/U.K. relationship would be that between Puerto Rico and the United States.
Jan 20th 2013, 11:58 pm
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Re: Changes for kiwis in australia
Even if New Zealanders had the right to apply for Australian citizenship, looks like most of them wouldn't make the grade -
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...tizenship-test
Thousands of New Zealanders might cross the ditch each year, but citizenship test results show we know far less about Australia than our European counterparts.
People applying for Australian citizenship must pass a test to show they know enough about the country.
Applicants with Swedish citizenship recorded the highest scores during 2011-12, with an average score of 98.1 per cent, according to adelaidenow.com.au which obtained the figures from Australia's Department of Immigration.
Netherlands followed on 97.6 per cent, Finland on 97.5 per cent, France on 97.4 per cent and Switzerland on 97.4.
While Britons scored an average of 95.6 per cent, New Zealanders scored a mere 72.6 per cent, far behind most European countries and Mexico, Argentinian and Colombian citizens.
To pass the test applicants must score above 75 per cent. Practice questions include 'What do we remember on Anzac day', 'what colours are on the Australian Aboriginal flag' and 'what is a referendum'.
Adelaide University Associate Professor in history and politics Paul Sendziuk told adelaidenow.com.au that he wasn't surprised wealthy countries where English was spoken seemed to score well, but said it seemed Brits and Kiwis were too laid back in their approach to the test.
New Zealand was among the countries with the least knowledge, scoring below Macedonia and Ethiopia and on par with Vietnam.
"It is interesting that applicants from the UK, and particularly New Zealand, perform less well than those from similarly developed and wealthy countries," Sendziuk said.
"It is possible that they do not study enough because they feel that they can rely on their background knowledge of Australia, which is a fair-enough assessment given the level of cultural exchange that already exists between Australia and these places.
"It is also possible that they take the test a bit lightly - knowing that they are likely to achieve a pass mark even without much study."
However, Sendziuk said many Australians would also struggle with the test.
"The students in one of my classes took the citizenship test, and very few achieved a score over 90. But I don't think this makes them bad Australians,'' he said.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...tizenship-test
Thousands of New Zealanders might cross the ditch each year, but citizenship test results show we know far less about Australia than our European counterparts.
People applying for Australian citizenship must pass a test to show they know enough about the country.
Applicants with Swedish citizenship recorded the highest scores during 2011-12, with an average score of 98.1 per cent, according to adelaidenow.com.au which obtained the figures from Australia's Department of Immigration.
Netherlands followed on 97.6 per cent, Finland on 97.5 per cent, France on 97.4 per cent and Switzerland on 97.4.
While Britons scored an average of 95.6 per cent, New Zealanders scored a mere 72.6 per cent, far behind most European countries and Mexico, Argentinian and Colombian citizens.
To pass the test applicants must score above 75 per cent. Practice questions include 'What do we remember on Anzac day', 'what colours are on the Australian Aboriginal flag' and 'what is a referendum'.
Adelaide University Associate Professor in history and politics Paul Sendziuk told adelaidenow.com.au that he wasn't surprised wealthy countries where English was spoken seemed to score well, but said it seemed Brits and Kiwis were too laid back in their approach to the test.
New Zealand was among the countries with the least knowledge, scoring below Macedonia and Ethiopia and on par with Vietnam.
"It is interesting that applicants from the UK, and particularly New Zealand, perform less well than those from similarly developed and wealthy countries," Sendziuk said.
"It is possible that they do not study enough because they feel that they can rely on their background knowledge of Australia, which is a fair-enough assessment given the level of cultural exchange that already exists between Australia and these places.
"It is also possible that they take the test a bit lightly - knowing that they are likely to achieve a pass mark even without much study."
However, Sendziuk said many Australians would also struggle with the test.
"The students in one of my classes took the citizenship test, and very few achieved a score over 90. But I don't think this makes them bad Australians,'' he said.
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Jan 21st 2013, 12:50 am
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Re: Changes for kiwis in australia
I can see it from there point of view they had to get a PR visa to come here, not saying I agree, just I see why they have there opinion, Most proper Australians and and a large number of Kiwis are not even aware of 2001 the rules......
Have a read of the comments here for example
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fai...itizens-in-oz/
Have a read of the comments here for example
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fai...itizens-in-oz/
But as it stands pretty unfair on many people I think. Maybe a ban on just unemployment/disability benefits for 5 years, or something linked to the amount of tax paid (1 years work gives you a fortnight unemployment entitlement etc).
But when you have the situation where it is almost impossible for some to get PR because of lack of a degree etc, and they have worked here for 10 years in a high paying job, then I think there needs to be some provision for genuine cases. Also the stuff in Queensland re the natural disaster payouts - just pathetic that they refuse to assist NZ'ers despite them being taxpayers and hard worker, decent members of the community.
Jan 21st 2013, 11:05 am
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Re: Changes for kiwis in australia
buzzy bee did you not move over under the trans Tasman agreement ?
Even if New Zealanders had the right to apply for Australian citizenship, looks like most of them wouldn't make the grade -
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...tizenship-test
Thousands of New Zealanders might cross the ditch each year, but citizenship test results show we know far less about Australia than our European counterparts.
People applying for Australian citizenship must pass a test to show they know enough about the country.
Applicants with Swedish citizenship recorded the highest scores during 2011-12, with an average score of 98.1 per cent, according to adelaidenow.com.au which obtained the figures from Australia's Department of Immigration.
Netherlands followed on 97.6 per cent, Finland on 97.5 per cent, France on 97.4 per cent and Switzerland on 97.4.
While Britons scored an average of 95.6 per cent, New Zealanders scored a mere 72.6 per cent, far behind most European countries and Mexico, Argentinian and Colombian citizens.
To pass the test applicants must score above 75 per cent. Practice questions include 'What do we remember on Anzac day', 'what colours are on the Australian Aboriginal flag' and 'what is a referendum'.
Adelaide University Associate Professor in history and politics Paul Sendziuk told adelaidenow.com.au that he wasn't surprised wealthy countries where English was spoken seemed to score well, but said it seemed Brits and Kiwis were too laid back in their approach to the test.
New Zealand was among the countries with the least knowledge, scoring below Macedonia and Ethiopia and on par with Vietnam.
"It is interesting that applicants from the UK, and particularly New Zealand, perform less well than those from similarly developed and wealthy countries," Sendziuk said.
"It is possible that they do not study enough because they feel that they can rely on their background knowledge of Australia, which is a fair-enough assessment given the level of cultural exchange that already exists between Australia and these places.
"It is also possible that they take the test a bit lightly - knowing that they are likely to achieve a pass mark even without much study."
However, Sendziuk said many Australians would also struggle with the test.
"The students in one of my classes took the citizenship test, and very few achieved a score over 90. But I don't think this makes them bad Australians,'' he said.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...tizenship-test
Thousands of New Zealanders might cross the ditch each year, but citizenship test results show we know far less about Australia than our European counterparts.
People applying for Australian citizenship must pass a test to show they know enough about the country.
Applicants with Swedish citizenship recorded the highest scores during 2011-12, with an average score of 98.1 per cent, according to adelaidenow.com.au which obtained the figures from Australia's Department of Immigration.
Netherlands followed on 97.6 per cent, Finland on 97.5 per cent, France on 97.4 per cent and Switzerland on 97.4.
While Britons scored an average of 95.6 per cent, New Zealanders scored a mere 72.6 per cent, far behind most European countries and Mexico, Argentinian and Colombian citizens.
To pass the test applicants must score above 75 per cent. Practice questions include 'What do we remember on Anzac day', 'what colours are on the Australian Aboriginal flag' and 'what is a referendum'.
Adelaide University Associate Professor in history and politics Paul Sendziuk told adelaidenow.com.au that he wasn't surprised wealthy countries where English was spoken seemed to score well, but said it seemed Brits and Kiwis were too laid back in their approach to the test.
New Zealand was among the countries with the least knowledge, scoring below Macedonia and Ethiopia and on par with Vietnam.
"It is interesting that applicants from the UK, and particularly New Zealand, perform less well than those from similarly developed and wealthy countries," Sendziuk said.
"It is possible that they do not study enough because they feel that they can rely on their background knowledge of Australia, which is a fair-enough assessment given the level of cultural exchange that already exists between Australia and these places.
"It is also possible that they take the test a bit lightly - knowing that they are likely to achieve a pass mark even without much study."
However, Sendziuk said many Australians would also struggle with the test.
"The students in one of my classes took the citizenship test, and very few achieved a score over 90. But I don't think this makes them bad Australians,'' he said.
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Jan 21st 2013, 11:07 am
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Re: Changes for kiwis in australia
Kiwis got the disaster payments in the end....
Well I think the laws are completely wrong on this one, but never any excuse for not knowing the rules. If people are moving themselves, and more importantly their family members like 18yo kids then you'd think they would do a bit more research.
But as it stands pretty unfair on many people I think. Maybe a ban on just unemployment/disability benefits for 5 years, or something linked to the amount of tax paid (1 years work gives you a fortnight unemployment entitlement etc).
But when you have the situation where it is almost impossible for some to get PR because of lack of a degree etc, and they have worked here for 10 years in a high paying job, then I think there needs to be some provision for genuine cases. Also the stuff in Queensland re the natural disaster payouts - just pathetic that they refuse to assist NZ'ers despite them being taxpayers and hard worker, decent members of the community.
But as it stands pretty unfair on many people I think. Maybe a ban on just unemployment/disability benefits for 5 years, or something linked to the amount of tax paid (1 years work gives you a fortnight unemployment entitlement etc).
But when you have the situation where it is almost impossible for some to get PR because of lack of a degree etc, and they have worked here for 10 years in a high paying job, then I think there needs to be some provision for genuine cases. Also the stuff in Queensland re the natural disaster payouts - just pathetic that they refuse to assist NZ'ers despite them being taxpayers and hard worker, decent members of the community.