Centrelink and income
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Hope you don't mind me jumping on this thread.
My wife and I landed in Australia on 9th March, 2014 and have now applied to Centrelink for FTB (and maybe rent assistance if deemed suitable). When completing the form, I have estimated all of our income for the financial year 1st July 2013, to 30th June, 2014 including UK income. Have I done the right thing?
I was not a resident of Australia for tax purposes before 9th March, and paid income tax on our earnings in the UK to HMRC. Should I have just estimated my earnings (wife is not working in Australia currently and won't be before the end of the financial year) between 9th March and 30th June 2014?
Don't know if I can change it now, it might seem like we're tying to deceive them if we do.
Thanks
My wife and I landed in Australia on 9th March, 2014 and have now applied to Centrelink for FTB (and maybe rent assistance if deemed suitable). When completing the form, I have estimated all of our income for the financial year 1st July 2013, to 30th June, 2014 including UK income. Have I done the right thing?
I was not a resident of Australia for tax purposes before 9th March, and paid income tax on our earnings in the UK to HMRC. Should I have just estimated my earnings (wife is not working in Australia currently and won't be before the end of the financial year) between 9th March and 30th June 2014?
Don't know if I can change it now, it might seem like we're tying to deceive them if we do.
Thanks
One thing newbies need to learn is the ATO, centerlink, passports, OSR, all Banks, ASX, even your accountant and pharmacist! are linked to one big central database, probably a 100 other departments too. They info share. Plus dont be surprised if they inform you about some detail of yourself from overseas
or years ago. Then they adjust, backdate, claim back, charge hideous interest rates on money owed (up to 75%) fines, penalties, and they investigate back years, not just the hiccup year.
They know it all, I even get letters if I take one of the ( now teen ) kids overseas, telling me my 0 thats right ZERO centerlink benefit has been stopped!
Kids bank accounts are taxed at about 67% so if you were thinkin of stuffing it there, dont.
And when you retire, income and assets tests are applied to the pension, so dont expect a comfy retirement either.
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#17
It is only taxed high when a parent tries to evade tax for their own money, thereby breaking the law. Almost certainly much the same as in the UK..
eg:
£15m tax raid on children's savings
HMRC’s red tape means under-18s are paying for tax they do not owe
HMRC’s red tape means under-18s are paying for tax they do not owe
#18
The normal super, paid for by the employer (at 9.25%), just like the UK one (paid for in Employer NI contributions between 10.4% and 13.8%), is not affected by any means test.
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If the money in a childs account is earned by the child, then normal tax rates apply. http://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/In...ings-accounts/
It is only taxed high when a parent tries to evade tax for their own money, thereby breaking the law. Almost certainly much the same as in the UK..
eg:
It is only taxed high when a parent tries to evade tax for their own money, thereby breaking the law. Almost certainly much the same as in the UK..
eg:
It is also taxed if its the kids genuine money. Both my youngest had considerable savings through their own efforts, and money from overseas/inheritance. Taxed as I said.
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This applies only to the Government Pension, which is not paid for by the employer.
The normal super, paid for by the employer (at 9.25%), just like the UK one (paid for in Employer NI contributions between 10.4% and 13.8%), is not affected by any means test.
Just to keep it like for like
The normal super, paid for by the employer (at 9.25%), just like the UK one (paid for in Employer NI contributions between 10.4% and 13.8%), is not affected by any means test.
Just to keep it like for like

I said the pension not superannuation.
Superannuation will also be counted in the asset and income test against pension.
Superannuation is not 'normal' for everyone, the self employed, the unemployed, the woman taking time off to have kids..... will not be getting super.
NI contributions cover far more than pensions, the entire NHS too.
Unlike many Western countries, the age pension is asset and income tested with the only safe zone the family home, which the govt are now holding a discussion on to see it can be included in the test too.
#22
It down to choice for them.
If you’re self-employed – that is, a sole trader or a partner in a partnership – you don’t have to make super contributions to a super fund for yourself. However, you may want to consider super as a way of saving for your retirement. If you’re self-employed, you may:
be able to claim a full tax deduction for your super contributions
be eligible for the low income super contribution
be eligible for the super co-contribution on contributions that you don’t claim
be able to claim a full tax deduction for your super contributions
be eligible for the low income super contribution
be eligible for the super co-contribution on contributions that you don’t claim
The unemployed have lived on a basic welfare income and therefore will not be affected by getting a small rise in that income on retirement.
The woman CHOOSING to take time off to have kids..... WILL be getting super based on her working years. But it could also be the Father who does it while the mother works.
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If the self employed choose NOT to have it, then it is their choice, and therefore their choice to rely on the means tested state pension.
It down to choice for them.
The unemployed have lived on a basic welfare income and therefore will not be affected by getting a small rise in that income on retirement.
The woman CHOOSING to take time off to have kids..... WILL be getting super based on her working years. But it could also be the Father who does it while the mother works.
It down to choice for them.
If you’re self-employed – that is, a sole trader or a partner in a partnership – you don’t have to make super contributions to a super fund for yourself. However, you may want to consider super as a way of saving for your retirement. If you’re self-employed, you may:
be able to claim a full tax deduction for your super contributions
be eligible for the low income super contribution
be eligible for the super co-contribution on contributions that you don’t claim
be able to claim a full tax deduction for your super contributions
be eligible for the low income super contribution
be eligible for the super co-contribution on contributions that you don’t claim
The unemployed have lived on a basic welfare income and therefore will not be affected by getting a small rise in that income on retirement.
The woman CHOOSING to take time off to have kids..... WILL be getting super based on her working years. But it could also be the Father who does it while the mother works.

So, people taking time off to have kids ( thus providing the next generation of tax payers) have less years super, and that is correct, women end up with much less super than men.
The people who slog away self employed stump up their own contribuitons and insurance.
And the winner is the long termer on unemployment who gets a payrise when they retire after decades of paying no tax.
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So, people taking time off to have kids ( thus providing the next generation of tax payers) have less years super, and that is correct, women end up with much less super than men. That is correct except for a lot of the men who end up with less than a lot of the higher paid women these days. Especially the men who CHOOSE to take time off work to spend with family, and bringing up children... CHOICE, we didn't have to, we chose TOO.
The people who slog away self employed stump up their own contribuitons and insurance. (and gain enormous tax deductions during their life when compared to employees. [I am not complaining about that I was one]). a self employed person is also his own employer, he pays his business costs, insurance, rents etc., why not the employer super too ? Why is that different ?
And the winner is the long termer on unemployment who gets a payrise when they retire after decades of paying no tax. The winner ? a person on a basic low income. OK, they avoid working, but who of us would really want that? A pension of $421.40 per week.
But note: A single pensioner can earn over $47,000 a year, and still receive a PART Age Pension
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The people who slog away self employed stump up their own contribuitons and insurance. (and gain enormous tax deductions during their life when compared to employees. [I am not complaining about that I was one]). a self employed person is also his own employer, he pays his business costs, insurance, rents etc., why not the employer super too ? Why is that different ?
And the winner is the long termer on unemployment who gets a payrise when they retire after decades of paying no tax. The winner ? a person on a basic low income. OK, they avoid working, but who of us would really want that? A pension of $421.40 per week.
But note: A single pensioner can earn over $47,000 a year, and still receive a PART Age Pension
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