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Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by krunchynutt
(Post 7062865)
a quick blow to the head
performed correctly is far more merciful than being stuck in someones freezer scared sh1tless for half a night. :zzz: |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
(Post 7063022)
Have you had a quick blow to the head? This is the point of the thread. That is, that it is quite often NOT a quick blow to the head... it's repeated blows with different instruments which do not kill and which leave animals to bleed to death in pain for much longer. THAT is the point, which you keep missing.
So far, that's twice you've projected human emotions on amphibians. This is called 'anthropomorphism' fyi. You have no idea whether the toad feels fear about getting cold yet you use it to justify bashing something over the head. :zzz: or shove it in your freezer. END OF DISCUSSION. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by noidea
(Post 7062832)
I think you are a hypocrite.
You are upset because someone may or may not kill a toad with a bat, which if performed correctly will result in instant death. I also dislike the method of it being a 'sport' which is encouraged in Australia... kids do it 'for fun' as do a lot of adults. Yet you condone the use of a parasite which will stop the lung of the toad working, this will not be a quick death it will be slow and painful. You are obviously upset about all the dickheads who play golf with toads, fair enough I don't agree with that either, but there is nothing wrong with clubbing a toad if performed correctly, just because you don't like the idea does not make it barbaric or violent. Ray touched on something I agree with.... and that's respecting a creature's life enough to end it kindly. It's interesting to note that kids who later turn into serial killers for example, spent much of their time torturing animals when they were kids. I use this as an extreme case, obviously, but killing animals in a way which is tortuous or brutal is obviously not a healthy thing for kids to be doing. The comment you made about damage to the environment by farming is just bloody stupid, people have to eat, or perhaps you know a better way, would you prefer people go hungry so toads have more room to live. And I bet you're loving the flies it generated that now won't go away. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by krunchynutt
(Post 7066564)
I think you just say anything that comes into your head and think you are an expert. fyi being scared is not just a human emotion all animals get scared, so take your anthropomorphism and use it in the correct context.
or shove it in your freezer. END OF DISCUSSION. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
(Post 7057600)
Sorry for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Can't imagine how kids can be allowed to roam the neighbourhood wandering into gardens at will, torturing animals. And as for you stopping it, I guess you can always get involved with a local group who rounds these creatures up and disposes of them by freezing... or why not even speak to the kids? Or write to your local paper? Or ask your council about starting up a local frog watch group if you haven't got one. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by Welsh Jeff
(Post 7067316)
Frog watch i've been doing that ever since my daughter started dating a French fella!
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Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by Welsh Jeff
(Post 7067316)
Frog watch i've been doing that ever since my daughter started dating a French fella!
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Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by spartacus
(Post 7067333)
Aaah French . . . . the language of love!
Same thing with cats, rabbits etc. They are now part of the Australian fauna and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The original Australian fauna either competes or goes extinct. 'Twas ever thus. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 7068084)
Anyone who thinks that killing a few cane toads is going to have any impact on their population is in cloud cuckoo land. I evicted one from the house the other day. Let it go into the garden. I could have killed it, but there are about a million in the surrounding square km and one of them would simply move in to replace it.
Same thing with cats, rabbits etc. They are now part of the Australian fauna and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The original Australian fauna either competes or goes extinct. 'Twas ever thus. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
(Post 7068314)
Exactly my point re finding the eggs. That's what you need to concentrate on if you have any chance of getting the numbers down.
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Re: Cane Toads
I wasn't referring to you specifically, I said "those who believe in the rights of all animals to live". I also made no reference to any torture of animlas never mind whether or not people who do not believe in torture are or are not less concerned about indigenous wildlife. I have therefore not reached the conclusion you imply.
Further I made no comment on the relative benefits of the type of death on the environment. Clealry there is no actual differnence on the environmental impact (beyond the individual toad) on how a toad is killed. My point was simply that more people are willing to kill toads by means other than freezing; that clealry leads to more toads being killed than would otherwise. I suggest if you want to make an argument that you stick to debating points actually made rather than choosing to argue about something that wasn't stated.
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
(Post 7059717)
How odd you think that just because I believe in not torturing animals and giving them a better death, makes me less concerned for the indigenous wildlife.
How have you reached that conclusion exactly? And your second point, how will collecting 100 toads a night and putting them to death through kinder methods do less than someone willing to bash 100 toads over the head? Can you tell me exactly what advantage to animal welfare this has? I'm struggling to see your point so perhaps you can enlighten us all. |
Re: Cane Toads
Quick question: Who would win a fight between a cane toad and a huntsman spider :confused:
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Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by jayr
(Post 7074122)
I wasn't referring to you specifically, I said "those who believe in the rights of all animals to live". I also made no reference to any torture of animlas never mind whether or not people who do not believe in torture are or are not less concerned about indigenous wildlife. I have therefore not reached the conclusion you imply.
Further I made no comment on the relative benefits of the type of death on the environment. Clealry there is no actual differnence on the environmental impact (beyond the individual toad) on how a toad is killed. My point was simply that more people are willing to kill toads by means other than freezing; that clealry leads to more toads being killed than would otherwise. I suggest if you want to make an argument that you stick to debating points actually made rather than choosing to argue about something that wasn't stated. Salt sounds good but it would cost a fortune to dispose of the amount a good golf club can handle a club would never wear out if used correctly. Plus you can save on the cost of golf balls, lol......... |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 7073751)
So you think you can find every pool of water in north Queensland and NT during the wet season? Good luck.
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Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by krunchynutt
(Post 7074158)
I would not bother with this one m8, your gonna end up in a massive argument with her, have you seen the previous posts. She is a toad loving activist, she seems to think a good freezing is a better death than an instant clubbing with a no3 wood.
Salt sounds good but it would cost a fortune to dispose of the amount a good golf club can handle a club would never wear out if used correctly. Plus you can save on the cost of golf balls, lol......... :rofl::rofl::rofl: |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by Lord Lionheart
(Post 7074140)
Quick question: Who would win a fight between a cane toad and a huntsman spider :confused:
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Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by jayr
(Post 7074122)
I wasn't referring to you specifically, I said "those who believe in the rights of all animals to live".
My point was simply that more people are willing to kill toads by means other than freezing; that clealry leads to more toads being killed than would otherwise. I suggest if you want to make an argument that you stick to debating points actually made rather than choosing to argue about something that wasn't stated. You've just avoided them totally and called into question my arguing ability, which is all very well and good but leaves things unanswered. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by ray2gill
(Post 7056893)
Just filled our pool up and waiting for everything to settle and so far we have rescued 5 toads in 12 hours.
We have looked on the internet and they are Cane Toads which are supposed to be killed - what is the most humanitarian way? We could put a severely injured animal out of its misery but to kill a perfectly healthy animal is something I really have a problem with. Is there anyway to prevent other small creatures getting in the pool which won't make the pool fencing look worse than it will do when installed. We still have temporary fencing up at the moment. Any suggestions appreciated. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by NJJ
(Post 7074478)
I heard about a year ago that Coopers (so possibly SA only) were sponsoring handing in of cane toads to be killed humanely. They were offering 1 beer per toad handed in. Didn't hear how well the project is running / ran though.
Cane toads aren't in South Australia. They don't go south of the border. :D |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by jayr
(Post 7057086)
Cane toads are a serial pest, they are top of their food chain and so displace indigineous wildlife. They may also kill your dog/cat.
You may have qulams about killing them but by rescuing them you are allowing them to kill wildlife that is naturally here. Apaprently catching then freezing is a humane way to kill them. I found that placing a lot of table salt on their back is very effective, others recommend Domestos (and presumably bleach), which may be less humane but as I suggest, you will be doing good for the environment by exterminating cane toads. |
Re: Cane Toads
call me what you want but i do have a bit of fun aiming at them with the mower now thats quick
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Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by rodandhayley
(Post 7074980)
call me what you want but i do have a bit of fun aiming at them with the mower now thats quick
hang on perhaps I should be more respectful ect ect ect. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
(Post 7074587)
I imagine Coopers didn't lose much.
Cane toads aren't in South Australia. They don't go south of the border. :D After a quick google search, I have found the article: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=94327 |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by NJJ
(Post 7076902)
OK - my cane toad knowledge (or lack of) exposed.
After a quick google search, I have found the article: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=94327 Darwin's at the top end. SA's at the bottom. Just for future reference. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by TiddlyPom
(Post 7077003)
:D
Darwin's at the top end. SA's at the bottom. Just for future reference. |
Re: Cane Toads
Originally Posted by NJJ
(Post 7077129)
Not when you're upside down :p
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