Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
One of the main benefits I can see to building your own is that you can (eventually) get a house exactly how you want it.
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Originally Posted by marco121068
One of the main benefits I can see to building your own is that you can (eventually) get a house exactly how you want it.
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Originally Posted by marco121068
One of the main benefits I can see to building your own is that you can (eventually) get a house exactly how you want it.
Biggie's been building his own house - his input would be useful
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Originally Posted by Jim2004
yeah 'hidden costs' was something I was very dubious about, and prob a big factor why we've put on hold for now! ...
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Originally Posted by AndyD
We have been told to allow $20000 for extras (floor coverings And blinds) on any NEW purchase.
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Here is my experience, maybe it will help someone.
We bought a plot 18 months ago in Perth, cost $127,000
The house original cost was $100,000, a few extras inc air con, french doors to games room, french doors to front lounge (original plans were too openplan for us, we like to hide from the kids)
We excluded blinds and floorcoverings, also all wardrobe doors were excluded. (they were charging over $200 for a standard flush door)
We added loads of extra sockets, and TV points, for a cost of an extra $3500
We had a price increase of $8000 also.
So in total we are looking at a rough cost of $240,000
Landscaping (hows longs a piece of string) maybe $20,000
We are having a pool installed which will cost between $10-$15,000.
House will eventually cost us around $280,000 I reckon (with a pool dont forget)
Houses in our area are reaching $300,000 so we wont lose out, but we wont get rich quick either.
Overall an enjoyable experience, we funded the cost while living in the UK so it hasn't been a problem. (had a second mortgage on our property here)
I wont count my chickens though as its not finished yet, will keep you posted.
We bought a plot 18 months ago in Perth, cost $127,000
The house original cost was $100,000, a few extras inc air con, french doors to games room, french doors to front lounge (original plans were too openplan for us, we like to hide from the kids)
We excluded blinds and floorcoverings, also all wardrobe doors were excluded. (they were charging over $200 for a standard flush door)
We added loads of extra sockets, and TV points, for a cost of an extra $3500
We had a price increase of $8000 also.
So in total we are looking at a rough cost of $240,000
Landscaping (hows longs a piece of string) maybe $20,000
We are having a pool installed which will cost between $10-$15,000.
House will eventually cost us around $280,000 I reckon (with a pool dont forget)
Houses in our area are reaching $300,000 so we wont lose out, but we wont get rich quick either.
Overall an enjoyable experience, we funded the cost while living in the UK so it hasn't been a problem. (had a second mortgage on our property here)
I wont count my chickens though as its not finished yet, will keep you posted.
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Originally Posted by NIGENABBY
Hello
I don't know where you are planning to build, however something else to keep in mind (cost wise) is the stamp duty.
If you build using a house and land package you only pay stamp duty on the land. If you buy a built house you pay on the total.
Eg, $200K stamp duty $7,660 - land only
$500K stamp duty $25,660 - house and land
calculator site
http://www.sro.vic.gov.au/sro/sroweb...set=iso-8859-1
Also you will find many builders now offer 'all inclusive' prices for home, including all carpets, tiles, fixtures etc, rather than just a basic cost that can escalate out of control before you notice.
I don't know where you are planning to build, however something else to keep in mind (cost wise) is the stamp duty.
If you build using a house and land package you only pay stamp duty on the land. If you buy a built house you pay on the total.
Eg, $200K stamp duty $7,660 - land only
$500K stamp duty $25,660 - house and land
calculator site
http://www.sro.vic.gov.au/sro/sroweb...set=iso-8859-1
Also you will find many builders now offer 'all inclusive' prices for home, including all carpets, tiles, fixtures etc, rather than just a basic cost that can escalate out of control before you notice.
In my experience here in Brisbane, you cant build a house & do all the establishing for the same price that you can buy an established house. Even when people say its going to cost $X to do such & such, you can usually double what you expect it to cost. For example, Pompeywill is quoting $10-15K for a pool - we just got our put in & all up it has cost us close to $50K with fencing & landscaping & paving - admittedly a larger pool than most people would put in their backyards, but I find it hard to believe that someone could put an inground pool in with all the extras that go with it, landscaping, fencing etc for $10K (or even $15K) unless they were digging it themselves . Of course if it were an aboveground pool & they did the fencing etc themselves then $15K is a more realistic budget as frineds of ours just had an above ground one put in at the same time we did ours & thats about what they paid. Its the same with everything - you pay big time unless you do it all yourself, even something as simple as concrete garden edging is $20-$30/metre, concreting for a driveway is minimum of $45/sqm, small retaining wall, where's your chequebook? :scared:
Of course as others have said, you get to get the house that you want in the end, just remember that if you want even one wall moved 6 inches one way on a plan that will involve extra costs, builders charge you for just breathing the same air as you . If you choose to renovate you will also be at the mercy of builders (as we are), but at least the main structure of the building is there & can be lived in while things are being done up.
Lastly, remember that when you see a showhome & the builder says "ohh this house costs $150K" he means the basic house not the house you are seeing . As Lee family have said, its not unusual to add an extra $100-$150K for all the extras to make it the same quality. Every show home has an upmarket kitchen, better appliances, doors, doorknobs, paint finish, carpets, tiles, bathroom, lights etc than the "basic" model. If you seriously are happy with the basic version then thats fine, but dont forget that when you come to sell it (or when you talk about what its worth compared to an established house), your house will be worth a considerable amount less than the house down the road with the better quality fittings. Just make sure you compare apples with apples.
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Originally Posted by pompeywill
We bought a plot 18 months ago in Perth, cost $127,000
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House will eventually cost us around $280,000 I reckon (with a pool dont forget)
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House will eventually cost us around $280,000 I reckon (with a pool dont forget)
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Has anybody bought a decent size plot with a ramshackle old house on it, knocked that down then put a new house on it? Wondered how the costs of that compared as surely water, electric etc would already be connected to the site?
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Originally Posted by Anne4Terry
Has anybody bought a decent size plot with a ramshackle old house on it, knocked that down then put a new house on it? Wondered how the costs of that compared as surely water, electric etc would already be connected to the site?
He said the houses are built to last 50 years, 25 even! I questioned this, but that was what he said! He said even houses in the UK was NEVER built to last so long, and for an example said that the tower blocks in the 70's were only built to last 25yrs!!
Anyway, all I'm saying is yeah, I think ppl WILL buy an old derilict house for the land, and build new! I think with a proprty in Oz, the money IS all in the land really. Ok, a lovely house WILL add ot the value obv, but you know what I mean! ..... *think*
and while I'm at it, here's a few more pics I took in Oz a few weeks ago of new builds (Upper Coomera - Gold Coast'ish) :
Advertised as a 900m block, but looks massive to me! .... maybe 900m IS massive!
Timber Frame :
Getting there!
and I spose had to throw a Beut in! ...
I wish! ... lol
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
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Not having a go or anything but am I the only one who thinks that completed house is horrible?!!
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Not having a go or anything but am I the only one who thinks that completed house is horrible?!!
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Of course your entitled to your opinion, but I stick to 'it's a beaut ...
Thing is too, in this area I'd go as far to say MOST houses are single storey, so the double storey houses stand out a bit! ...
Buty lots of individuality which was nice!
Horses for Courses tho!
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Originally Posted by MrsDagboy
Thats something else to consider I guess - how much the market (& therefore the block of land) will have gone up in that time. Bit hard to compare really in some ways, but Im betting that you cant still buy a block of land where you bought yours for $127K?
Also the price I quoted on the pool was just a ballpark figure I picked up reading another thread on pools, so it could well be more expensive.
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Originally Posted by spalen
Just looking at buying a first house in Aus but have the option of building too.
In UK building your own was a sure fire way to increase the value of the house ,ie Resale Value was always greater than House Build + Land Costs.
Is the same true in Aus? I know its subject to all sorts of variables like the market fluctuation etc ,but does the same generalism hold true here? Or because self-building is so common is it less valued and they just net-out the same at the end.?
One reason I thought of that a built house would be worth more than a plot+self build is that you have to fund it for 6-8mths whilst its being built so there is the 'double' mortgage etc.
Also interested to hear any wisdom on corner-plots vs central plots. Corner plot in UK psyche is goodness because of space on one side, even if its a road, but where we are looking lots of corner plots seem to be available whilst the central ones have all but gone... ( I know I can ask the agent butI want some speaking without forked tongue).
We're not primarily looking to build to make money - this is our home after all and not looking at it opportunistically but on the other hand if there is neutral position at the end thats another consideration.
In UK building your own was a sure fire way to increase the value of the house ,ie Resale Value was always greater than House Build + Land Costs.
Is the same true in Aus? I know its subject to all sorts of variables like the market fluctuation etc ,but does the same generalism hold true here? Or because self-building is so common is it less valued and they just net-out the same at the end.?
One reason I thought of that a built house would be worth more than a plot+self build is that you have to fund it for 6-8mths whilst its being built so there is the 'double' mortgage etc.
Also interested to hear any wisdom on corner-plots vs central plots. Corner plot in UK psyche is goodness because of space on one side, even if its a road, but where we are looking lots of corner plots seem to be available whilst the central ones have all but gone... ( I know I can ask the agent butI want some speaking without forked tongue).
We're not primarily looking to build to make money - this is our home after all and not looking at it opportunistically but on the other hand if there is neutral position at the end thats another consideration.
Hope this helps
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Re: Build vs Buy for housing in Aus : Lose money?
Originally Posted by Nicstids
am I the only one who thinks that completed house is horrible?!!
Originally Posted by pompeywill
True the land has crept up, you cant get a block our size for that money now. Thats why I like the idea of new builds, the longer they take the more they are worth (in theory) if you can sustain the cost.
Also the price I quoted on the pool was just a ballpark figure I picked up reading another thread on pools, so it could well be more expensive.
Also the price I quoted on the pool was just a ballpark figure I picked up reading another thread on pools, so it could well be more expensive.
And I hope you have deep pockets for that pool .