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Vash the Stampede May 11th 2007 7:18 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by Chen (Post 4769188)
Thanks for your response! :huh: I find it sad that asking a strait forward question like that could turn into an argument!? As there are British schools all over the world! So why not in Aus??? My daughter attends one outside the UK at the moment. Im not interested in the ridicules politics over Btits and Ausys!!! Just in trying to keep education for my daughter as strait forward as possible. This is obviously not the right place to ask! ......Sorry :cool:

Click here for a list of British schools outside Britain.

Notice that the list contains only two countries in which English is the native language: Canada & the USA (though the latter is debatable). My guess is that these cater primarily for the children of Britons whose work takes them abroad for long periods, such as diplomats and members of the armed forces.

British schools outside Britain usually exist for the purpose of providing a British education to native English speakers in a country where the first language is not English. Ergo, a British school in Australia would be completely pointless and a waste of everyone's time.

Considering that Australia is three times the size of Western Europe, I am reasonably certain that if you look hard enough, you'll be able to find a school which caters for your child's needs. If push comes to shove, I can recommend the International Baccalaureate, which is available at 97 schools across Australia.

In the meantime, since I am an Australian living in the UK (arrived 16th of January 2004) and planning to start a family, I would appreciate it if you could give me a list of Australian schools in Britain. Somewhere close to Walsall would be ideal.

Thanks. :)

Vash the Stampede May 11th 2007 7:24 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by esperanza (Post 4769297)
More seriously, I wonder if there are enough Brits in Australia now for there to be enough demand for a UK style school - I bet there are enough UK teachers out here. I also bet it would be possible to combine UK and Australian curriculums.

The problem is not so much the number of Poms, as the concentration of Poms within a given area. Sure, there might be enough Poms in Australia to justify a British-curriculum school - but they don't all live in the same place, do they?


How much financial support does the aussie govt give to schools? If it's a lot then I might look into filling this niche myself! :D
The Australian government provides generous subsidies to independent schools. The private school in Adelaide that my wife and I have earmarked for our children (when they eventually arrive :o ) receives a base subsidy of $5,000 per child, plus extras. :)

esperanza May 11th 2007 7:27 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 4769479)
The problem is not so much the number of Poms, as the concentration of Poms within a given area. Sure, there might be enough Poms in Australia to justify a British-curriculum school - but they don't all live in the same place, do they?

Well, from what I hear half of them are in Perth - maybe that would be a good place to start! And besides, independent schools can be very small and can cover the age range from 3-18. I reckon it could be a go-er!
And at $5000 per child per year, I'd only need about a dozen kids to earn the same as I got in the UK for teaching 500-odd a week,up to 34 at a time. 12 kids sounds ok to me!

Vash the Stampede May 11th 2007 7:34 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by esperanza (Post 4769484)
Well, from what I hear half of them are in Perth - maybe that would be a good place to start! And besides, independent schools can be very small and can cover the age range from 3-18. I reckon it could be a go-er!

And at $5000 per child per year, I'd only need about a dozen kids to earn the same as I got in the UK for teaching 500-odd a week,up to 34 at a time. 12 kids sounds ok to me!

Well, you could take a crack at it. But I can assure you that the WA government isn't going to hand out $5,000 per child for a small group which would effectively constitute little more than a form of large-scale home schooling. :huh: If it did, everyone would be in on the game.

You see, that $5,000 isn't paid to the teachers; it's paid to the school. It's for teachers' salaries, utility bills, maintenance, and all the other things a school has to budget for. So I wouldn't get too carried away if I were you. :unsure:

Still, it's not all doom and gloom. If you can put together a fully operational school of 100 kids or more, you might be onto something. :)

esperanza May 11th 2007 7:43 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 4769498)
Well, you could take a crack at it. But I can assure you that the WA government isn't going to hand out $5,000 per child for a small group which would effectively constitute little more than a form of large-scale home schooling. :huh: If it did, everyone would be in on the game.

You see, that $5,000 isn't paid to the teachers; it's paid to the school. It's for teachers' salaries, utility bills, maintenance, and all the other things a school has to budget for. So I wouldn't get too carried away if I were you. :unsure:

Still, it's not all doom and gloom. If you can put together a fully operational school of 100 kids or more, you might be onto something. :)

I'll keep it on the back burner.
Still, 100 kids at $5000 each.... is $500,000 - that'd pay four teachers $50k a year each and leave $300,000 per year for a building with four rooms for teaching, one computer suite, one dinner hall, small kitchen area (bring packed lunches), and a field for sports and maybe a small conservation area or veggie garden. Maybe with a goat! I like it.... :D

(OR, teach outdoors and pay the teachers $125k each!)

Vash the Stampede May 11th 2007 8:05 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by esperanza (Post 4769512)
I'll keep it on the back burner.
Still, 100 kids at $5000 each.... is $500,000 - that'd pay four teachers $50k a year each and leave $300,000 per year for a building with four rooms for teaching, one computer suite, one dinner hall, small kitchen area (bring packed lunches), and a field for sports and maybe a small conservation area or veggie garden. Maybe with a goat! I like it.... :D

(OR, teach outdoors and pay the teachers $125k each!)

Yes, but (a) my example is from South Australia not WA, and (b) I imagine that the size of the grant would be proportionate to the size of the school.

The school I've referred to (Heritage College, Oakden, SA) has a population of around 400 pupils.

For an example of a small scale independent school which benefits from government grants, I suggest you visit Kingsley Montessori School, which I attended from the ages of 5-8 and for which I later worked as a teacher's aide. That should give you some idea of what's possible on a slim budget.

When I left my job in December 1997, the school was about $30,000 in debt but still coping quite well.

NKSK version 2 May 11th 2007 8:10 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by curly (Post 4767694)
Why would they?????? It's Australia :blink:

Oh God here we go again.

Why shouldn't they?

Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Italy, France, USA, Malaysia, Brunei, Norway etc etc ....do.

NKSK version 2 May 11th 2007 8:11 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by galba (Post 4769217)
Chen

I know where you are coming from. My 2 older kids are in an International School in Malaysia following an American curriculum. So far the eldest has been in 3 different schools in 3 countries and he's only 7 :(

We are moving to Perth this summer but there doesn't seem to be an International School or British School. We will be moving on again in 2/3 years to another international posting so wanted to keep to the same curriculum to try and help the kids settle - however many of those on Britishexpats are moving to Australia permanently and may not appreciate your predicament of continually moving around the world.

Good luck

Galba


There is an International School in Perth. It follows IB.

NKSK version 2 May 11th 2007 8:12 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by Centurion (Post 4769254)

So why no British school ? Supply and demand. There is no demand and thus no supply.

A better answer!!

Vash the Stampede May 11th 2007 8:13 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 4769583)
Oh God here we go again.

Why shouldn't they?

Uh... because it's an English-speaking nation with no need (in "supply/demand" terms) for a British school?


Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Italy, France, USA, Malaysia, Brunei, Norway etc etc ....do.
See my previous post on the subject (here).

NKSK version 2 May 11th 2007 8:14 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by esperanza (Post 4769297)
More seriously, I wonder if there are enough Brits in Australia now for there to be enough demand for a UK style school - I bet there are enough UK teachers out here. I also bet it would be possible to combine UK and Australian curriculums. How much financial support does the aussie govt give to schools? If it's a lot then I might look into filling this niche myself! :D

I suspect that if it was free there would be enough demand here in WA. Public confidence in the local system is very low.

Vash the Stampede May 11th 2007 8:15 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 4769587)
There is an International School in Perth. It follows IB.

Presbyterian Ladies' College (Peppermint Grove), Scotch College (Swanbourne) and Kingsley Montessori School also offer the IB.

NKSK version 2 May 11th 2007 8:21 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 4769463)
Click here for a list of British schools outside Britain.


In the meantime, since I am an Australian living in the UK (arrived 16th of January 2004) and planning to start a family, I would appreciate it if you could give me a list of Australian schools in Britain. Somewhere close to Walsall would be ideal.

Thanks. :)

You won't need it. You'll find that the UK system is far superior! ;)

Not sure about your theory about English language being the main driver of the avalaibility of British schools. You mentioned the US and Canada - how many other countries with significant economies are there where English is the main language? Not many - therefore you won't find many English speaking countries with British schools - QED. The fact that the US and Canada have British schools is significant.

I think that it's more a function of how many expats there are on temporary contracts. Workers on contracts want their kids to fit back into the UK system quickly and easily after they return. Hence the demand for British schools. Therefore Singapore where English is the main language of admin. has lots of British schools. So does Brunei where the main language of instruction is English.

esperanza May 11th 2007 8:22 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 4769565)
Yes, but (a) my example is from South Australia not WA, and (b) I imagine that the size of the grant would be proportionate to the size of the school.

The school I've referred to (Heritage College, Oakden, SA) has a population of around 400 pupils.

For an example of a small scale independent school which benefits from government grants, I suggest you visit Kingsley Montessori School, which I attended from the ages of 5-8 and for which I later worked as a teacher's aide. That should give you some idea of what's possible on a slim budget.

When I left my job in December 1997, the school was about $30,000 in debt but still coping quite well.

Stop being so sensible! a) the amount per pupil can't be radically different between states, and b) you'd think that smaller schools would need more per pupil not less and c) this is all pure hypothesis anyway, I'm not saying anyone can just set up a school! I was thinking out loud! and d) a school which is only $30,000 in debt is doing well, in my experience. I can't think of an e).

NKSK version 2 May 11th 2007 8:23 pm

Re: British Schools
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 4769595)
Presbyterian Ladies' College (Peppermint Grove), Scotch College (Swanbourne) and Kingsley Montessori School also offer the IB.

I suspect that the key difference in this case is the term dates. The international school follows a year structure which matches both the northern summer and the southern summer - i.e. extensive vacations in Dec and Jul.

There will also be some VET differences.


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