British Exodus
Sep 20th 2004, 1:19 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Perhaps DIASPORA?
Exodus:
During the forty years of Moses' sojourn in the land of Midian, the Hebrews in Egypt were being gradually prepared for the great national crisis which was approaching. The plagues that successively fell upon the land loosened the bonds by which Pharaoh held them in slavery, and at length he was eager that they should depart.
But the Hebrews must now also be ready to go. They were poor; for generations they had laboured for the Egyptians without wages. They asked gifts from their neighbours around them (Ex. 12:35), and these were readily bestowed. And then, as the first step towards their independent national organization, they observed the feast of the Passover, which was now instituted as a perpetual memorial. The blood of the paschal lamb was duly sprinkled on the door-posts and lintels of all their houses, and they were all within, waiting the next movement in the working out of God's plan.
At length the last stroke fell on the land of Egypt. "It came to pass, that at midnight Jehovah smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt." Pharaoh rose up in the night, and called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, "Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve Jehovah, as ye have said. Also take your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also."
Thus was Pharaoh (q.v.) completely humbled and broken down. These words he spoke to Moses and Aaron "seem to gleam through the tears of the humbled king, as he lamented his son snatched from him by so sudden a death, and tremble with a sense of the helplessness which his proud soul at last felt when the avenging hand of God had visited even his palace."
The terror-stricken Egyptians now urged the instant departure of the Hebrews. In the midst of the Passover feast, before the dawn of the 15th day of the month Abib (our April nearly), which was to be to them henceforth the beginning of the year, as it was the commencement of a new epoch in their history, every family, with all that appertained to it, was ready for the march, which instantly began under the leadership of the heads of tribes with their various sub-divisions. They moved onward, increasing as they went forward from all the districts of Goshen, over the whole of which they were scattered, to the common centre. Three or four days perhaps elapsed before the whole body of the people were assembled at Rameses, and ready to set out under their leader Moses (Ex. 12:37; Num. 33:3).
This city was at that time the residence of the Egyptian court, and here the interviews between Moses and Pharaoh had taken place. From Rameses they journeyed to Succoth (Ex. 12:37), identified with Tel-el-Maskhuta, about 12 miles west of Ismailia. Their third station was Etham (q.v.), 13:20, "in the edge of the wilderness," and was probably a little to the west of the modern town of Ismailia, on the Suez Canal. Here they were commanded "to turn and encamp before Pi-hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea", i.e., to change their route from east to due south.
The Lord now assumed the direction of their march in the pillar of cloud by day and of fire by night. They were then led along the west shore of the Red Sea till they came to an extensive camping-ground "before Pi-hahiroth," about 40 miles from Etham. This distance from Etham may have taken three days to traverse, for the number of camping-places by no means indicates the number of days spent on the journey: e.g., it took fully a month to travel from Rameses to the wilderness of Sin (Ex. 16:1), yet reference is made to only six camping-places during all that time. The exact spot of their encampment before they crossed the Red Sea cannot be determined. It was probably somewhere near the present site of Suez. Under the direction of God the children of Israel went "forward" from the camp "before Pi-hahiroth," and the sea opened a pathway for them, so that they crossed to the farther shore in safety.
The Egyptian host pursued after them, and, attempting to follow through the sea, were overwhelmed in its returning waters, and thus the whole military force of the Egyptians perished. They "sank as lead in the mighty waters" (Ex. 15:1-9; comp. Ps. 77:16-19).
Having reached the eastern shore of the sea, perhaps a little way to the north of 'Ayun Musa ("the springs of Moses"), there they encamped and rested probably for a day. Here Miriam and the other women sang the triumphal song recorded in Ex. 15:1-21. From 'Ayun Musa they went on for three days through a part of the barren "wilderness of Shur" (22), called also the "wilderness of Etham" (Num. 33:8; comp. Ex. 13:20), without finding water.
On the last of these days they came to Marah (q.v.), where the "bitter" water was by a miracle made drinkable. Their next camping-place was Elim (q.v.), where were twelve springs of water and a grove of "threescore and ten" palm trees (Ex. 15:27).
After a time the children of Israel "took their journey from Elim," and encamped by the Red Sea (Num. 33:10), and thence removed to the "wilderness of Sin" (to be distinguished from the wilderness of Zin, 20:1), where they again encamped. Here, probably the modern el-Markha, the supply of bread they had brought with them out of Egypt failed. They began to "murmur" for want of bread. God "heard their murmurings" and gave them quails and manna, "bread from heaven" (Ex. 16:4-36). Moses directed that an omer of manna should be put aside and preserved as a perpetual memorial of God's goodness.
They now turned inland, and after three encampments came to the rich and fertile valley of Rephidim, in the Wady Feiran. Here they found no water, and again murmured against Moses. Directed by God, Moses procured a miraculous supply of water from the "rock in Horeb," one of the hills of the Sinai group (17:1-7); and shortly afterwards the children of Israel here fought their first battle with the Amalekites, whom they smote with the edge of the sword.
From the eastern extremity of the Wady Feiran the line of march now probably led through the Wady esh-Sheikh and the Wady Solaf, meeting in the Wady er-Rahah, "the enclosed plain in front of the magnificient cliffs of Ras Sufsafeh." Here they encamped for more than a year (Num. 1:1; 10:11) before Sinai (q.v.). The different encampments of the children of Israel, from the time of their leaving Egypt till they reached the Promised Land, are mentioned in Ex. 12:37-19; Num. 10-21; 33; Deut. 1, 2, 10. It is worthy of notice that there are unmistakable evidences that the Egyptians had a tradition of a great exodus from their country, which could be none other than the exodus of the Hebrews.
Exodus:
During the forty years of Moses' sojourn in the land of Midian, the Hebrews in Egypt were being gradually prepared for the great national crisis which was approaching. The plagues that successively fell upon the land loosened the bonds by which Pharaoh held them in slavery, and at length he was eager that they should depart.
But the Hebrews must now also be ready to go. They were poor; for generations they had laboured for the Egyptians without wages. They asked gifts from their neighbours around them (Ex. 12:35), and these were readily bestowed. And then, as the first step towards their independent national organization, they observed the feast of the Passover, which was now instituted as a perpetual memorial. The blood of the paschal lamb was duly sprinkled on the door-posts and lintels of all their houses, and they were all within, waiting the next movement in the working out of God's plan.
At length the last stroke fell on the land of Egypt. "It came to pass, that at midnight Jehovah smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt." Pharaoh rose up in the night, and called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, "Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve Jehovah, as ye have said. Also take your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also."
Thus was Pharaoh (q.v.) completely humbled and broken down. These words he spoke to Moses and Aaron "seem to gleam through the tears of the humbled king, as he lamented his son snatched from him by so sudden a death, and tremble with a sense of the helplessness which his proud soul at last felt when the avenging hand of God had visited even his palace."
The terror-stricken Egyptians now urged the instant departure of the Hebrews. In the midst of the Passover feast, before the dawn of the 15th day of the month Abib (our April nearly), which was to be to them henceforth the beginning of the year, as it was the commencement of a new epoch in their history, every family, with all that appertained to it, was ready for the march, which instantly began under the leadership of the heads of tribes with their various sub-divisions. They moved onward, increasing as they went forward from all the districts of Goshen, over the whole of which they were scattered, to the common centre. Three or four days perhaps elapsed before the whole body of the people were assembled at Rameses, and ready to set out under their leader Moses (Ex. 12:37; Num. 33:3).
This city was at that time the residence of the Egyptian court, and here the interviews between Moses and Pharaoh had taken place. From Rameses they journeyed to Succoth (Ex. 12:37), identified with Tel-el-Maskhuta, about 12 miles west of Ismailia. Their third station was Etham (q.v.), 13:20, "in the edge of the wilderness," and was probably a little to the west of the modern town of Ismailia, on the Suez Canal. Here they were commanded "to turn and encamp before Pi-hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea", i.e., to change their route from east to due south.
The Lord now assumed the direction of their march in the pillar of cloud by day and of fire by night. They were then led along the west shore of the Red Sea till they came to an extensive camping-ground "before Pi-hahiroth," about 40 miles from Etham. This distance from Etham may have taken three days to traverse, for the number of camping-places by no means indicates the number of days spent on the journey: e.g., it took fully a month to travel from Rameses to the wilderness of Sin (Ex. 16:1), yet reference is made to only six camping-places during all that time. The exact spot of their encampment before they crossed the Red Sea cannot be determined. It was probably somewhere near the present site of Suez. Under the direction of God the children of Israel went "forward" from the camp "before Pi-hahiroth," and the sea opened a pathway for them, so that they crossed to the farther shore in safety.
The Egyptian host pursued after them, and, attempting to follow through the sea, were overwhelmed in its returning waters, and thus the whole military force of the Egyptians perished. They "sank as lead in the mighty waters" (Ex. 15:1-9; comp. Ps. 77:16-19).
Having reached the eastern shore of the sea, perhaps a little way to the north of 'Ayun Musa ("the springs of Moses"), there they encamped and rested probably for a day. Here Miriam and the other women sang the triumphal song recorded in Ex. 15:1-21. From 'Ayun Musa they went on for three days through a part of the barren "wilderness of Shur" (22), called also the "wilderness of Etham" (Num. 33:8; comp. Ex. 13:20), without finding water.
On the last of these days they came to Marah (q.v.), where the "bitter" water was by a miracle made drinkable. Their next camping-place was Elim (q.v.), where were twelve springs of water and a grove of "threescore and ten" palm trees (Ex. 15:27).
After a time the children of Israel "took their journey from Elim," and encamped by the Red Sea (Num. 33:10), and thence removed to the "wilderness of Sin" (to be distinguished from the wilderness of Zin, 20:1), where they again encamped. Here, probably the modern el-Markha, the supply of bread they had brought with them out of Egypt failed. They began to "murmur" for want of bread. God "heard their murmurings" and gave them quails and manna, "bread from heaven" (Ex. 16:4-36). Moses directed that an omer of manna should be put aside and preserved as a perpetual memorial of God's goodness.
They now turned inland, and after three encampments came to the rich and fertile valley of Rephidim, in the Wady Feiran. Here they found no water, and again murmured against Moses. Directed by God, Moses procured a miraculous supply of water from the "rock in Horeb," one of the hills of the Sinai group (17:1-7); and shortly afterwards the children of Israel here fought their first battle with the Amalekites, whom they smote with the edge of the sword.
From the eastern extremity of the Wady Feiran the line of march now probably led through the Wady esh-Sheikh and the Wady Solaf, meeting in the Wady er-Rahah, "the enclosed plain in front of the magnificient cliffs of Ras Sufsafeh." Here they encamped for more than a year (Num. 1:1; 10:11) before Sinai (q.v.). The different encampments of the children of Israel, from the time of their leaving Egypt till they reached the Promised Land, are mentioned in Ex. 12:37-19; Num. 10-21; 33; Deut. 1, 2, 10. It is worthy of notice that there are unmistakable evidences that the Egyptians had a tradition of a great exodus from their country, which could be none other than the exodus of the Hebrews.
Sep 20th 2004, 1:21 pm
#107
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Re: British Exodus
Exactly Quinkana.
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Sep 20th 2004, 1:24 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Originally Posted by Badge
I remember crossing the 'magic roundabout' (in Swindon) there in the small hours on the way to Cirencester/Stroud....now I think about it....where we live in the Melbourne SE suburbs looks very much like Glouscestershire...
when are you coming down to visit Pollyanna?
BM
when are you coming down to visit Pollyanna?
BM
Swindons magic roundabout is 'nearly' famous, sad fact. Its cetainly an experience I wont miss in rush hour.
Cant wait to make up my own mind about oz, but wouldnt want to stay in swindon, its fast becoming the refugee centre of the universe and dont mean to be nasty, but they all sit in their 3 bed homes, dont go to work and they get given every benefit under the sun.
Swindon is not lovely, its extremely expensive and it has nothing to offer anyone, even the new hospital was built so fast they realised after they didnt have enough beds to cater for everyone!
Theres lovely areas around us here but if I could go tomorrow instead of the daily drudge of nights on scbu, Id be on the plane tomorrow.
Sep 20th 2004, 1:24 pm
#109
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Re: British Exodus
Ye Quinkana, nice to see your keeping to original topic. By the way which book(bible) did you take that from?
Sep 20th 2004, 1:28 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Originally Posted by Granger
Ye Quinkana, nice to see your keeping to original topic. By the way which book(bible) did you take that from?
BM
Sep 20th 2004, 1:41 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Diaspora #1:
586 BC - Kingdom of Judah comes to an end as Babylonians siege and conquer the land, destroy the Temple of Jerusalem and exile the land's remaining inhabitants.
Diaspora #2:
135 AD - The Jews are expelled by the Roman Empire.
Diaspora #3:
...
586 BC - Kingdom of Judah comes to an end as Babylonians siege and conquer the land, destroy the Temple of Jerusalem and exile the land's remaining inhabitants.
Diaspora #2:
135 AD - The Jews are expelled by the Roman Empire.
Diaspora #3:
...
Sep 20th 2004, 1:43 pm
#112
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Re: British Exodus
Originally Posted by Quinkana
Diaspora #1:
586 BC - Kingdom of Judah comes to an end as Babylonians siege and conquer the land, destroy the Temple of Jerusalem and exile the land's remaining inhabitants.
Diaspora #2:
135 AD - The Jews are expelled by the Roman Empire.
Diaspora #3:
...
586 BC - Kingdom of Judah comes to an end as Babylonians siege and conquer the land, destroy the Temple of Jerusalem and exile the land's remaining inhabitants.
Diaspora #2:
135 AD - The Jews are expelled by the Roman Empire.
Diaspora #3:
...
Some of you lot must have no work to do, or are incredibly bored!!!
PJ
Sep 20th 2004, 1:47 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Originally Posted by Jacko1
Some of you lot must have no work to do, or are incredibly bored!!!
PJ
PJ
Sep 20th 2004, 1:47 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Originally Posted by Badge
Odaat. I liked your comment on the 'Brits never make it to the top - Aussies do.' I wasn't going to bother mentioning it but now you've got me interested.
I don't think anyone has ever actually commented on this..they've talked about job prospects and openings..got any stories?
BM
I don't think anyone has ever actually commented on this..they've talked about job prospects and openings..got any stories?
BM
I was *fast tracked* to middle management, I have a creative and infectious energy to get up and on with it. Good Yorkshire stock you see
I noted the same of others from the UK entering WA on a migration ticket.
The work ethic is boundless - all want to fit in and be accepted, not the same story from the Oz colleague group. In time I realised settled Ozzies are suspicious of newcomers who have too high a work ethic to get on and belong. I also noted that most expat Brits had a real passion for the work compared to others.
I was not stopped in moving on, in fact I would say Ozzies really do believe in the "fair go" principle.
In the end it came down to a simple formula - reward vs risk. I found the rewards easy to gain and no risk or stimulation to excell. I got bored and moved on before the rot set in and I turned all misery, woe and "skippy bashing" on the Ozzies and thier lack of spunk and flavour.
Right now reward *high* vs *risk* bloody high !!
so I am pleased and get out of bed with a real hard on for the day
odaat
Sep 20th 2004, 1:50 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Originally Posted by odaat
IMHO - I can only speak for myself here and my experience of the healthcare workforce in Perth WA.....
I was *fast tracked* to middle management, I have a creative and infectious energy to get up and on with it. Good Yorkshire stock you see
I noted the same of others from the UK entering WA on a migration ticket.
The work ethic is boundless - all want to fit in and be accepted, not the same story from the Oz colleague group. In time I realised settled Ozzies are suspicious of newcomers who have too high a work ethic to get on and belong. I also noted that most expat Brits had a real passion for the work compared to others.
I was not stopped in moving on, in fact I would say Ozzies really do believe in the "fair go" principle.
In the end it came down to a simple formula - reward vs risk. I found the rewards easy to gain and no risk or stimulation to excell. I got bored and moved on before the rot set in and I turned all misery, woe and "skippy bashing" on the Ozzies and thier lack of spunk and flavour.
Right now reward *high* vs *risk* bloody high !!
so I am pleased and get out of bed with a real hard on for the day
odaat
I was *fast tracked* to middle management, I have a creative and infectious energy to get up and on with it. Good Yorkshire stock you see
I noted the same of others from the UK entering WA on a migration ticket.
The work ethic is boundless - all want to fit in and be accepted, not the same story from the Oz colleague group. In time I realised settled Ozzies are suspicious of newcomers who have too high a work ethic to get on and belong. I also noted that most expat Brits had a real passion for the work compared to others.
I was not stopped in moving on, in fact I would say Ozzies really do believe in the "fair go" principle.
In the end it came down to a simple formula - reward vs risk. I found the rewards easy to gain and no risk or stimulation to excell. I got bored and moved on before the rot set in and I turned all misery, woe and "skippy bashing" on the Ozzies and thier lack of spunk and flavour.
Right now reward *high* vs *risk* bloody high !!
so I am pleased and get out of bed with a real hard on for the day
odaat
Sep 20th 2004, 1:52 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Originally Posted by Jacko1
Some of you lot must have no work to do, or are incredibly bored!!!
PJ
PJ
Sep 20th 2004, 1:55 pm
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Re: British Exodus
Originally Posted by Quinkana
And some are but mindless motes adrift in a howling hurricane.
Sep 20th 2004, 2:18 pm
#118
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Re: British Exodus
Oddat, I must admit your really gobsmacked me there. It was a funny thing you said and I'm not prudish in the least (I'm female) but just then I felt I got to know you that little bit better.
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Sep 20th 2004, 2:24 pm
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Re: British Exodus
An article on the reasons for the 2 great periods of mass emigration from the UK can be found at:
http://www.ecocomm.anu.edu.au/people...on/EmDubTF.pdf
Given that the proposed ST article is looking for recent experiences the first great period of mass emigration (transportation, famine, agricultural revolution et al) can be forgotten but it suggests that recent (up to 1998)emigration is largely economic and also down to the encouraging immigration policies of the 4 main destination countries. You would have to add the 'A new life down under, A place in the sun, Neighbours, Home and Away etc factor' as pull factors and the 5 or 6 thread pages of different problems in the UK (which do exist in differing degrees elsewhere) as push factors.
I suspect the article is looking for the Mandy Skeggs (was that her name?) type of volunteer to give it a reality make-over though.
BTW, I've got a great idea for a new TV series and I need backers. Here's the plot - 6 families migrate to Australia. The viewers phone up to vote them off the show, or who they want as their idol. The winner gets a garden and D.I.Y make-over and plastic surgery and will make a record guaranteed to make it to number one because they are instant celebrities (all filmed for 8 10 episode spin-off series). The teenage children will be put on a desert island to see who pairs off with whom and they will be given various survival challenges. It will help if the families contain B list celebrities trying to resurrect their career as well. Oh, it will have a real sting in the tail because 2 of the mothers aren't really mothers but have had operations to change their you know what, but here's the great bit, their husbands don't know about it. I think it's a definite winner because it seems to be what most people want these days.
OzTennis
http://www.ecocomm.anu.edu.au/people...on/EmDubTF.pdf
Given that the proposed ST article is looking for recent experiences the first great period of mass emigration (transportation, famine, agricultural revolution et al) can be forgotten but it suggests that recent (up to 1998)emigration is largely economic and also down to the encouraging immigration policies of the 4 main destination countries. You would have to add the 'A new life down under, A place in the sun, Neighbours, Home and Away etc factor' as pull factors and the 5 or 6 thread pages of different problems in the UK (which do exist in differing degrees elsewhere) as push factors.
I suspect the article is looking for the Mandy Skeggs (was that her name?) type of volunteer to give it a reality make-over though.
BTW, I've got a great idea for a new TV series and I need backers. Here's the plot - 6 families migrate to Australia. The viewers phone up to vote them off the show, or who they want as their idol. The winner gets a garden and D.I.Y make-over and plastic surgery and will make a record guaranteed to make it to number one because they are instant celebrities (all filmed for 8 10 episode spin-off series). The teenage children will be put on a desert island to see who pairs off with whom and they will be given various survival challenges. It will help if the families contain B list celebrities trying to resurrect their career as well. Oh, it will have a real sting in the tail because 2 of the mothers aren't really mothers but have had operations to change their you know what, but here's the great bit, their husbands don't know about it. I think it's a definite winner because it seems to be what most people want these days.
OzTennis
Sep 20th 2004, 2:59 pm
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Re: press request
Originally Posted by Oliver Bennett
Hello everyone, My name is Oliver Bennett and I'm writing a piece for the Sunday Times (UK) about the great British exodus. We're trying to pin down the reasons why so many people seem to be leaving the UK at the moment - analysing the 'push' as well as the 'pull'. I'm seeking comment on this matter, however brief, such as: why did you leave? What do you miss, what don't you miss? Anyone fed up and going home? If anyone wants to get in touch I'm at [email protected] - or post your thoughts here. Full names are preferable if that's okay. We're aiming for a serious piece that addresses the phenomenon.
I will also need a couple of case studies - that is, people willing to have a short interview and potentially a photograph. If that's you, then get in touch.
Many thanks for all your help. Yours, Oliver
I will also need a couple of case studies - that is, people willing to have a short interview and potentially a photograph. If that's you, then get in touch.
Many thanks for all your help. Yours, Oliver
Hi I am new to this site but thought i would reply.
We wish to move because after 2 holidays in oz we all clearly loved the extra time to ourselves in the evenings when after a long day, we could relax outside in the evenings listen to the insects watch the moon and stars with a feeling of relief that for once we are not in front of the television listening to the doom and gloom of british news. We will actually have time for one another and the kids. We dont believe everything will be better,but as we only get one life to try this , it is up to us to make the most of it so heres hoping it is not long before we get there.