Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
#31
Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by sme
Why should it beggar belief.... we accept race, sexuality,etc....why not faith ???
You might as well believe in Harry Potter.
#32
Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by fraser
Ned I agree with you, and that's a shame as I think you're a complete tosser.
HTH
HTH
#33
Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by fraser
Because it's all fantasy with no proof just stuff that was written years ago to keep the masses happy when nobody knew any different.
You might as well believe in Harry Potter.
You might as well believe in Harry Potter.
So you can honestly say that you have studied every piece of evidence, historical and otherwise, to come to this decision? Or is it that you don't believe the evidence that you have seen? You might not have proof for yourself but that does not mean that God does not exist or that you are right and millions of others are wrong.
#34
Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by NAC
So you can honestly say that you have studied every piece of evidence, historical and otherwise, to come to this decision? Or is it that you don't believe the evidence that you have seen? You might not have proof for yourself but that does not mean that God does not exist or that you are right and millions of others are wrong.
Thet get told god exists as a child they believe it they have no proof
#35
Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by fraser
You might as well believe in Harry Potter.
#36
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
I thought Harry Potter was real. There is a book about him and I saw him on TV, just like Jesus but Harry has more books published.
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Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
A good thing about any religious teaching is that it brings with it respect for the individual (ie other individuals) and teaches right-from-wrong. Admittedly some do it using ghosties, dead blokes from 2005 yrs ago, and some slightly dodgy theories to get away with dinosaurs. But the one thing it does do is teach a moral framework.
If you dont have a moral framework and chose the 'default' society one which I'd struggle to articulate then I think kids are the worse for it. This doesnt mean kids have to go to church every sunday for the rest of their lives it just means that they are brought up with some guidance that suggests its wrong to hit others, steal, lie, commit adultery(er..) , covet thy neighbours pokemon cards, nor commit murder etc. This keeps them under control until they're old enough to work out for themselves how much fun all these things are.
But some evangelical schools are a bit too far the other way and will actually say that there werent dinosaurs (eg the American school system where a bunch of schools got together to have the right to not have to teach about Darwinism ! like guys... the world is round... its kinda proven.). loonies. Whats that big thing in the Natural History Museum main hall , a freekin airfix model.
Faith & religion is great for those who have it, but frankly any church that refuses to allow contraception in Africa to stem aids and sentences 1,000000000000's to death in a far away continent(from rome) because their missionaries got there first about 600 yrs ago and the people are more scared of eternal damnation than aids.(which will bring on the opportunity to find out for sure if that bet on Jeebus was the right one pretty soon)... that takes some faith to stay with and support..... it is gods will that millions of kids are born with aids/orphaned/etc... hmmmmm.... How about religious loonies in the US using catholicism to go and murder people in abortion clinics....
Im proud that I had a catholic upbringing (in a crappy state comp) because it gave me a moral background, but Im ashamed that for the same reason Im supposed to support and condone all this crap about contraception that is frankly 2000 yrs out of date. And dont get me on those dinosaurs again....
If you dont have a moral framework and chose the 'default' society one which I'd struggle to articulate then I think kids are the worse for it. This doesnt mean kids have to go to church every sunday for the rest of their lives it just means that they are brought up with some guidance that suggests its wrong to hit others, steal, lie, commit adultery(er..) , covet thy neighbours pokemon cards, nor commit murder etc. This keeps them under control until they're old enough to work out for themselves how much fun all these things are.
But some evangelical schools are a bit too far the other way and will actually say that there werent dinosaurs (eg the American school system where a bunch of schools got together to have the right to not have to teach about Darwinism ! like guys... the world is round... its kinda proven.). loonies. Whats that big thing in the Natural History Museum main hall , a freekin airfix model.
Faith & religion is great for those who have it, but frankly any church that refuses to allow contraception in Africa to stem aids and sentences 1,000000000000's to death in a far away continent(from rome) because their missionaries got there first about 600 yrs ago and the people are more scared of eternal damnation than aids.(which will bring on the opportunity to find out for sure if that bet on Jeebus was the right one pretty soon)... that takes some faith to stay with and support..... it is gods will that millions of kids are born with aids/orphaned/etc... hmmmmm.... How about religious loonies in the US using catholicism to go and murder people in abortion clinics....
Im proud that I had a catholic upbringing (in a crappy state comp) because it gave me a moral background, but Im ashamed that for the same reason Im supposed to support and condone all this crap about contraception that is frankly 2000 yrs out of date. And dont get me on those dinosaurs again....
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Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by NAC
What is it about the Christian faith or Catholicism that frightens people so much People are happy to take the 'better' education, 'better facilities' etc of a private Christian or Catholic school but think the downside of it is that their child will be exposed to Christianity. The saddest thing in the UK at the moment is the level of political correctness that prevents any kind of Christianity being displayed at school assembly. Kids grow up now with no spiritual guidance which I think is very sad.
My children will be educated in Catholic schools because I am proud of my faith and I want my children to have an opportunity to learn about that faith with their own friends in the school environment.
Being a Christian or being a Catholic is NOT something to be ashamed of!
Carolyn
My children will be educated in Catholic schools because I am proud of my faith and I want my children to have an opportunity to learn about that faith with their own friends in the school environment.
Being a Christian or being a Catholic is NOT something to be ashamed of!
Carolyn
I would be concerned about evangelicism.
As a minimum, I believe in moral framework - with bible-style moral teaching.
Badge
Last edited by Badge; Jul 27th 2005 at 9:27 am.
#39
Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by Badge
As a minimum, I believe in moral framework - with bible-style moral teaching.
Badge
Badge
1st time you misbehave you get the old testament
2nd time you misbehave you get the new testament
3rd time you misbehave you get whacked with the whole bible on the ass
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Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by paulf
And what decade are you living in?
#41
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Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by Hutch
Me and my brothers and sister all got Catholic pre-school, primary and secondary educations and we've all turned out atheist. To be honest, they're their own worst enemy - they pump all this nonsense at you and it has the opposite effect they hope for. Softly softly has never been the Catholic way, but in 2000 years you think they'd have sussed out that kids are a lot smarter than they give them credit for.
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Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
For the purposes of this thread, at least, I really wish people would not imply (possibly unintentionally, but I'm not sure in every case) that Catholic schools are not Christian schools. I know that the term 'Christian school' has come to be given a particular meaning - not least by the schools that describe themselves in this way - but the Roman Catholic Church is part of the Christian church, just as the Anglican Church, the Methodist Church or the Russian Orthodox Church, for example, are!
That's it, I'm off my soap-box now.
That's it, I'm off my soap-box now.
#43
Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
Originally Posted by CPW
For the purposes of this thread, at least, I really wish people would not imply (possibly unintentionally, but I'm not sure in every case) that Catholic schools are not Christian schools. I know that the term 'Christian school' has come to be given a particular meaning - not least by the schools that describe themselves in this way - but the Roman Catholic Church is part of the Christian church, just as the Anglican Church, the Methodist Church or the Russian Orthodox Church, for example, are!
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Going back to the original question, there are some pretty fundamental differences between the beliefs of Catholicism and those of the mainstream Protestant denominations and it seems odd that any parent would wish their children to be exposed to something with which they themselves do not agree.
While 'Catholic' schools do obviously vary, any non-Catholic parents contemplating a particular school (despite the general point above), should ask questions about the proportion of non-Catholic pupils, what specific doctrines are taught, and whether non-Catholic pupils are expected to participate in Catholic rituals. No matter how 'good' it may be academically, if your child is Protestant/Jewish/no religion at all etc, he or she may not feel at home in such an environment.
Jeremy
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Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
but morality can be taught without religion
Originally Posted by spalen
A good thing about any religious teaching is that it brings with it respect for the individual (ie other individuals) and teaches right-from-wrong.
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the one thing it does do is teach a moral framework.
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the one thing it does do is teach a moral framework.
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Re: Benefit of Catholic School if you're not Catholic?
i don't think anyone has ever seen the proof, since it simply does not exist. if it does, why hasn't it made the media.
and as for being fraser being right and millions of others being wrong... there are approx 1.1 billion people worldwide that describe themselves as non-religious. and out of those who have a religion, 60% are non-christian.
there are three religions with 1 billion followers or more, and they are very different (the hindu religion believes in many gods, not one). how can all these be right? if the hindus are right, then the christians are wrong, etc.
not one single religion has claimed to have undisputable proof. it's understandable why someone would question why religion still has a place in modern society.
in my opinion religions were mainly used to control the people in the past in the absence of governments.
and as for being fraser being right and millions of others being wrong... there are approx 1.1 billion people worldwide that describe themselves as non-religious. and out of those who have a religion, 60% are non-christian.
there are three religions with 1 billion followers or more, and they are very different (the hindu religion believes in many gods, not one). how can all these be right? if the hindus are right, then the christians are wrong, etc.
not one single religion has claimed to have undisputable proof. it's understandable why someone would question why religion still has a place in modern society.
in my opinion religions were mainly used to control the people in the past in the absence of governments.
Originally Posted by NAC
So you can honestly say that you have studied every piece of evidence, historical and otherwise, to come to this decision? Or is it that you don't believe the evidence that you have seen? You might not have proof for yourself but that does not mean that God does not exist or that you are right and millions of others are wrong.