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I've just returned from Oz, I was there for a holiday and to see what my employment prospects are like there. I'm sure that seasoned travellers and residents can correct me if I have the wrong impression here, I only spent 3.5 weeks there...I am an electronics engineer, I found a massive lack of this type of work, or agencies that specialise in it. Some agencies did not want to see me or my CV unless I had the visa. My arguement was that I needed to see if there was work there before I apply for the visa. I toured NSW, Canberra and Victoria. Nothing. So I've concluded that when arriving I will have to settle for any job, perhaps warehouse work or something, to make ends meet before I can find an engineers job. A part of me thinks this is madness to leave my well paid job in the UK for such uncertainty so I am not totally decided yet to start the visa application. Yet speaking to people on the travels they all say oh yes you should have no problems. We need teccys and you speak english so you'll have no worries! Don't know what to do.

What was rather annoying was that it seemed that I was directed by many agencies and people to look for jobs and info on the net, which of course I could have done a lot easier from the comfort of my own home back here! I thought that being physically in Australia and looking would show I am serious about getting a job and moving, but it didn't seem to make any difference. That was a main reason for the trip so I was disappointed.

My first impression was the heat of Sydney but after being there a while I became accustomed. The roads look like the USA's in layout and width, it was hard not to be driving on the right hand side initially. Also surprised the number of 4 litres V6 engined cars on the road that seem to be the general norm for most people. Again USA style. Not that I'm knocking it, its great to have that luxury and cheap petrol.

I liked the weather obviously, the bush fire threat was a little worrying as were the drought orders in Victoria. Was surprised how brown it was.

It seemed that children are better behaved than in UK and generally there does not seem to be the same yob culture as in the UK. Or binge drinking herds. I met quite a few aussies and I could not tell any differences in classes, ie whats a posh aussie? Everybody seemed the same. Neither deprived or rich in terms of the huge houses mr average seems to own.

In Albury-Wondonga the only thing I didn't like was loads of boy racers cruising the high street all night with their souped up cars and jet rocket loud exhausts. Thats anti-social. Very nice place other than that.

Aussies are more friendly than Brits. Nice people.

Flies. I noticed a small amount in Syndey that would bother me (flies in the ear) Noticed loads (far more) near any bushland and the most of all around Phillip Island and near the sea in Melbourne. But in the CBD there were not many at all. And in north of Melbourne eg Sunbury so few flies that people weren't even fitting fly screens to the hotels. Whys this?

TV - better than people make out, I was quite happy with it. Radio not so good though.

Heard about the changeable weather in Victoria but amazed to experience it. I was there when it snowed the other week!

Houses are cheap at $200,000 for a 3 bed, but thats in places away from the big cities. They are $350K ish in Canberra and question is, is there any work in the $200,000 places eg Oberon? Makes me wonder if the dream about selling up here for a bigger house in Oz is really real.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Martin

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Originally Posted by martinw01908
I've just returned from Oz, I was there for a holiday and to see what my employment prospects are like there. I'm sure that seasoned travellers and residents can correct me if I have the wrong impression here, I only spent 3.5 weeks there...I am an electronics engineer, I found a massive lack of this type of work, or agencies that specialise in it. Some agencies did not want to see me or my CV unless I had the visa. My arguement was that I needed to see if there was work there before I apply for the visa. I toured NSW, Canberra and Victoria. Nothing. So I've concluded that when arriving I will have to settle for any job, perhaps warehouse work or something, to make ends meet before I can find an engineers job. A part of me thinks this is madness to leave my well paid job in the UK for such uncertainty so I am not totally decided yet to start the visa application. Yet speaking to people on the travels they all say oh yes you should have no problems. We need teccys and you speak english so you'll have no worries! Don't know what to do.

What was rather annoying was that it seemed that I was directed by many agencies and people to look for jobs and info on the net, which of course I could have done a lot easier from the comfort of my own home back here! I thought that being physically in Australia and looking would show I am serious about getting a job and moving, but it didn't seem to make any difference. That was a main reason for the trip so I was disappointed.

I liked the weather obviously, the bush fire threat was a little worrying as were the drought orders in Victoria. Was surprised how brown it was.

It seemed that children are better behaved than in UK and generally there does not seem to be the same yob culture as in the UK. Or binge drinking herds. I met quite a few aussies and I could not tell any differences in classes, ie whats a posh aussie? Everybody seemed the same. Neither deprived or rich in terms of the huge houses mr average seems to own.

In Albury-Wondonga the only thing I didn't like was loads of boy racers cruising the high street all night with their souped up cars and jet rocket loud exhausts. Thats anti-social. Very nice place other than that.

Aussies are more friendly than Brits. Nice people.

Flies. I noticed a small amount in Syndey that would bother me (flies in the ear) Noticed loads (far more) near any bushland and the most of all around Phillip Island and near the sea in Melbourne. But in the CBD there were not many at all. And in north of Melbourne eg Sunbury so few flies that people weren't even fitting fly screens to the hotels. Whys this?

TV - better than people make out, I was quite happy with it. Radio not so good though.

Heard about the changeable weather in Victoria but amazed to experience it. I was there when it snowed the other week!

Houses are cheap at $200,000 for a 3 bed, but thats in places away from the big cities. They are $350K ish in Canberra and question is, is there any work in the $200,000 places eg Oberon? Makes me wonder if the dream about selling up here for a bigger house in Oz is really real.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Martin
Hi Martin,

Good post. We had and Indian guy working for us for 3 months. He was an electronics engineer, he worked for us until he received his Aussie equivalent. Now he is working in his field.
If you can handle doing something different for a while, it may work out. I live in Canberra, if you want any more information on Canberra. Let me know.

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Flies. I noticed a small amount in Syndey that would bother me (flies in the ear) Noticed loads (far more) near any bushland and the most of all around Phillip Island and near the sea in Melbourne. But in the CBD there were not many at all. And in north of Melbourne eg Sunbury so few flies that people weren't even fitting fly screens to the hotels. Whys this?


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Interesting observation, can't say I've noticed the plagues of flies some people comment on here in Melbourne except for afew days a year.

Ask yourself, is the lure of a big house really worth it? And keep reading!

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Interesting observation, can't say I've noticed the plagues of flies some people comment on here in Melbourne except for afew days a year.

Ask yourself, is the lure of a big house really worth it? And keep reading!

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Flies are a seasonal thing only during the warm summer weather and in some parts of the country they are dreadful and other parts there are almost none at all.
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Interesting observation, can't say I've noticed the plagues of flies some people comment on here in Melbourne except for afew days a year.

Ask yourself, is the lure of a big house really worth it? And keep reading!

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I noticed that comment too. We'd been camping last month at the same spot we'd been to the month before that. We were bugged (no pun intended) by flies when we hadn't been before. On the drive home the talk radio had an expert on saying there had been a lot due to earlier wet weather. Maybe he hit one of those times?
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. They are $350K ish in Canberra and question is, is there any work in the $200,000 places eg Oberon?
Oberon NSW?

That's farming or logging country.

If you want to be a lumberjack I know an employer.

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I've just returned from Oz, I was there for a holiday and to see what my employment prospects are like there. I'm sure that seasoned travellers and residents can correct me if I have the wrong impression here, I only spent 3.5 weeks there...I am an electronics engineer, I found a massive lack of this type of work, or agencies that specialise in it. Some agencies did not want to see me or my CV unless I had the visa. My arguement was that I needed to see if there was work there before I apply for the visa. I toured NSW, Canberra and Victoria. Nothing. So I've concluded that when arriving I will have to settle for any job, perhaps warehouse work or something, to make ends meet before I can find an engineers job. A part of me thinks this is madness to leave my well paid job in the UK for such uncertainty so I am not totally decided yet to start the visa application. Yet speaking to people on the travels they all say oh yes you should have no problems. We need teccys and you speak english so you'll have no worries! Don't know what to do.

What was rather annoying was that it seemed that I was directed by many agencies and people to look for jobs and info on the net, which of course I could have done a lot easier from the comfort of my own home back here! I thought that being physically in Australia and looking would show I am serious about getting a job and moving, but it didn't seem to make any difference. That was a main reason for the trip so I was disappointed.

My first impression was the heat of Sydney but after being there a while I became accustomed. The roads look like the USA's in layout and width, it was hard not to be driving on the right hand side initially. Also surprised the number of 4 litres V6 engined cars on the road that seem to be the general norm for most people. Again USA style. Not that I'm knocking it, its great to have that luxury and cheap petrol.

I liked the weather obviously, the bush fire threat was a little worrying as were the drought orders in Victoria. Was surprised how brown it was.

It seemed that children are better behaved than in UK and generally there does not seem to be the same yob culture as in the UK. Or binge drinking herds. I met quite a few aussies and I could not tell any differences in classes, ie whats a posh aussie? Everybody seemed the same. Neither deprived or rich in terms of the huge houses mr average seems to own.

In Albury-Wondonga the only thing I didn't like was loads of boy racers cruising the high street all night with their souped up cars and jet rocket loud exhausts. Thats anti-social. Very nice place other than that.

Aussies are more friendly than Brits. Nice people.

Flies. I noticed a small amount in Syndey that would bother me (flies in the ear) Noticed loads (far more) near any bushland and the most of all around Phillip Island and near the sea in Melbourne. But in the CBD there were not many at all. And in north of Melbourne eg Sunbury so few flies that people weren't even fitting fly screens to the hotels. Whys this?

TV - better than people make out, I was quite happy with it. Radio not so good though.

Heard about the changeable weather in Victoria but amazed to experience it. I was there when it snowed the other week!

Houses are cheap at $200,000 for a 3 bed, but thats in places away from the big cities. They are $350K ish in Canberra and question is, is there any work in the $200,000 places eg Oberon? Makes me wonder if the dream about selling up here for a bigger house in Oz is really real.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Martin
Hi Martin - yes we find the flies here in Melbourne right now an absolute pain. My parents are here at the minute visiting from the UK and are horrified at just how many there are at the minute, but for some reason the amount seems to vary from area to area.

If you are having doubts or reservations, take a look on the returning back to the UK forum - there are quite a few posts on there at the minute which may or may not help but at the end of the day it depends on just how much you really want to move to Australia and what your reasons are for leaving.

Good luck in whatever decision you make.
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If you look on seek.com.au and you find that there are no jobs that fit your employment profile then I would worry about getting a job here, but if there are lots of oppportunities and your bigest problem is getting someone to take you serious then dont worry. I looked for jobs before and after getting a visa and before I moved here and no one is really interested until you can give them a firm date of when you will arrive in country and are ready to start. If you think about it why would someone want to waste their time talking to someone who doesnt have the right to work in oz let alone live here, as for the agencys they are a pain in the a##e when you have a visa and live here as many of them are useless and just seem to want to expand their portfolio.
If there are job opportunities here and you like Oz then go for it, it is only when you are in country with your visa in hand that things will start to move.

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Flies are seasonal and regional.

We spent one month in Australia during August this year, and despite visiting three different states (Victoria, Tasmania and South Australia) I can honestly say that flies were not a problem.

I think we saw a total of three.

Hardly the "10 plagues of Egypt" scenario so frequently presented on this forum...
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I've just returned from Oz, I was there for a holiday and to see what my employment prospects are like there. I'm sure that seasoned travellers and residents can correct me if I have the wrong impression here, I only spent 3.5 weeks there...I am an electronics engineer, I found a massive lack of this type of work, or agencies that specialise in it. Some agencies did not want to see me or my CV unless I had the visa. My arguement was that I needed to see if there was work there before I apply for the visa. I toured NSW, Canberra and Victoria. Nothing. So I've concluded that when arriving I will have to settle for any job, perhaps warehouse work or something, to make ends meet before I can find an engineers job. A part of me thinks this is madness to leave my well paid job in the UK for such uncertainty so I am not totally decided yet to start the visa application. Yet speaking to people on the travels they all say oh yes you should have no problems. We need teccys and you speak english so you'll have no worries! Don't know what to do.

What was rather annoying was that it seemed that I was directed by many agencies and people to look for jobs and info on the net, which of course I could have done a lot easier from the comfort of my own home back here! I thought that being physically in Australia and looking would show I am serious about getting a job and moving, but it didn't seem to make any difference. That was a main reason for the trip so I was disappointed.

My first impression was the heat of Sydney but after being there a while I became accustomed. The roads look like the USA's in layout and width, it was hard not to be driving on the right hand side initially. Also surprised the number of 4 litres V6 engined cars on the road that seem to be the general norm for most people. Again USA style. Not that I'm knocking it, its great to have that luxury and cheap petrol.

I liked the weather obviously, the bush fire threat was a little worrying as were the drought orders in Victoria. Was surprised how brown it was.

It seemed that children are better behaved than in UK and generally there does not seem to be the same yob culture as in the UK. Or binge drinking herds. I met quite a few aussies and I could not tell any differences in classes, ie whats a posh aussie? Everybody seemed the same. Neither deprived or rich in terms of the huge houses mr average seems to own.

In Albury-Wondonga the only thing I didn't like was loads of boy racers cruising the high street all night with their souped up cars and jet rocket loud exhausts. Thats anti-social. Very nice place other than that.

Aussies are more friendly than Brits. Nice people.

Flies. I noticed a small amount in Syndey that would bother me (flies in the ear) Noticed loads (far more) near any bushland and the most of all around Phillip Island and near the sea in Melbourne. But in the CBD there were not many at all. And in north of Melbourne eg Sunbury so few flies that people weren't even fitting fly screens to the hotels. Whys this?

TV - better than people make out, I was quite happy with it. Radio not so good though.

Heard about the changeable weather in Victoria but amazed to experience it. I was there when it snowed the other week!

Houses are cheap at $200,000 for a 3 bed, but thats in places away from the big cities. They are $350K ish in Canberra and question is, is there any work in the $200,000 places eg Oberon? Makes me wonder if the dream about selling up here for a bigger house in Oz is really real.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Martin
Stay away from Perth if you want a big house with small or no morgage at all, unless you are a millionaire of course!

As for the flies..this is the season for them, but not half as bad as what it is normally like,
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Stay away from Perth if you want a big house with small or no morgage at all, unless you are a millionaire of course!

As for the flies..this is the season for them, but not half as bad as what it is normally like,
From what l read flies are worse in Perth then any other city.
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From what l read flies are worse in Perth then any other city.
flipin hell,flies and high house prices in perth,thats it i aint goin,whens the worst for flies in perth.

i cannot work out what you are all on about,regarding house prices.
i have just looked for a couple of hours on realestate.au and you can get a really nice place for under$450k...


£180-450k$ in perth 4x2 with pool ,lots of fun times..
£180 in Birmingham. 3 bed semi,no pool ,no sun,barbie 2 weeks of the year if your lucky..

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flipin hell,flies and high house prices in perth,thats it i aint goin,whens the worst for flies in perth.

i cannot work out what you are all on about,regarding house prices.
i have just looked for a couple of hours on realestate.au and you can get a really nice place for under$450k...


£180-450k$ in perth 4x2 with pool ,lots of fun times..
£180 in Birmingham. 3 bed semi,no pool ,no sun,barbie 2 weeks of the year if your lucky..

really,really confused

I think if you are taking your UK£ over there then you will find that property is general seems very cheap.
It is not so cheap if you are taking out an Aussie mortgage based on an Aussie salary.
It is also all relative - the same money that would buy you a decent house in Perth might get you something truly stunning elsewhere.

Don't worry too much about other people's perceptions - think about what the situation will be like for YOU.
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I am surprised that no one wanted to see you when you were there, but then I suppose most people will know that it will take 12-18 months to get your visa so maybe thats why they didnt want to see you in person!!

When we went on our rekkie we had our visa but were obviously only there for a few weeks, but my husband had people crying out for him to go for interviews, he was selective and only attended 4 but was offered all 4 jobs!! BUT he isnt an engineer he is a specialist Stainless Steel Sheet Metal Fabricator, so he doesnt do the normal air conditioning fabrication work and we thought because of the specialist works he does do and wants to continue doing we would struggle to find him work, but not the case!!

I think if it is only a big house you are after and that seems that is all you want from your thread, I would stay in the UK and just keep doing the lottery, if you are looking for many other things and you feel Australia can offer you that then go for it!!
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Well my reasons for going do include getting a big house but thats part of the lifestyle. I would like to think that in Oz I could have a reasonable house without having to be a so much of a slave to the mortgage company as we do in the UK for such a small house. Therefore a less stressful life I hope.

Other reasons for wanting to go apart from the weather are that I'm under the impression that Australia is a friendlier, safer, nicer country to live in, and would be a better place to bring up children. I do realise crime exists in Oz - nowhere is perfect but compared to the UK I believe its better in Oz.

I don't have many ties to the UK and I feel in some ways I need a fresh start.

Workwise - jobs doing what I do are getting more scarce even in the UK and its getting to be a very specialist field as manufacturing related industries lose jobs to China. We don't fix things like we used to do, we simply throw them away because they are so cheap now. I was thinking of changing career anyway at some stage even if I stay in the UK because of the lack of electronics work, so doing something else in Oz is no bad thing, perhaps its the push I need.

Re: Flies again, while out eating a meal in Wodonga in the pub 'garden' it was virtually impossible to do so. I had one arm constantly wafting (to stop flies landing on) my steak and the other trying to feed my face in between wafting and cutting the steak. If I took my eye off the steak for more than 5 secs a fly would land in it, it was constant bombardment. A bad experience, in the end we went inside! This was the only time we had problems though outside eating.

I got a load of stuff in the post this weekend about Canberra. I did like it but there seemed to be only office and admin jobs there, no electronics or manufacturing there, correct me if I'm wrong.

There are some jobs on seek.com.au if I do a search for 'trades - technician' there is a total of 22 jobs australia wide! Half of which are not really me. Some I can't do because they need Australian Citizens for security clearence (defence work) Does this look bleak? Salaries are about $40,000 from what I see so far. This is about $20k less than I earn here.
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