Australia: where the poor are poorer
Sep 19th 2009 | 8:45 am
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Australia: where the poor are poorer
From Todays 'The Age'
Australia: where the poor are poorer
JOSH GORDON
September 20, 2009
http://www.theage.com.au/national/au...0919-fw53.html
A report from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has found that, even before the downturn, 55 per cent of jobless households in Australia were living in ''relative poverty'', on less than half the average income.
By contrast, the average rate of relative poverty for jobless households in OECD countries was just 37 per cent.
Interesting. Indicates if you are going to be poor and jobless, Australia is not the place to be.
Australia: where the poor are poorer
JOSH GORDON
September 20, 2009
http://www.theage.com.au/national/au...0919-fw53.html
A report from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has found that, even before the downturn, 55 per cent of jobless households in Australia were living in ''relative poverty'', on less than half the average income.
By contrast, the average rate of relative poverty for jobless households in OECD countries was just 37 per cent.
Interesting. Indicates if you are going to be poor and jobless, Australia is not the place to be.
Sep 19th 2009 | 8:56 am
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
However...
It's working - OECD supports Labor stimulus
Australia’s jobless rate would be as much as 1.9 percentage points higher in 2010 without government handouts to consumers and infrastructure spending, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development says.
“Job losses would be significantly higher if vigorous macroeconomic measures had not been taken,†the Paris-based group said in a report released overnight.
Between 150,000 and 200,000 jobs would have been shed in 2009, the OECD believes, had the stimulus measures worth $42 billion not been applied.
While stimulus measures in most countries haven’t had a “strong effect†in cushioning the drop in employment amid the deepest global recession since the 1930s, “Australia is a notable exception,†the OECD said.
The jobless rate held at 5.8 per cent last month, compared with 9.7 per cent in the US, 9.5 per cent in the euro region in July and 5.7 per cent in Japan.
Sep 19th 2009 | 12:19 pm
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
The dole is alot less in OZ then in the UK, its no where near enough to survive on and as well as that people on the dole have to do work for the dole progams or the moneys cut off, also immigrants arent allowed to get the dole unless they have been here two years or more, l read somewhere alot of immigrants don't want to go to OZ and prefer countries like the UK that have generous dole system, which is good becasue it means OZ only gets immigrants that want to work while the UK gets alot of immigrants who just wany to live off benefits.
Sep 19th 2009 | 12:35 pm
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
Sounds about right.
However...
It's working - OECD supports Labor stimulus
Australia’s jobless rate would be as much as 1.9 percentage points higher in 2010 without government handouts to consumers and infrastructure spending, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development says.
“Job losses would be significantly higher if vigorous macroeconomic measures had not been taken,†the Paris-based group said in a report released overnight.
Between 150,000 and 200,000 jobs would have been shed in 2009, the OECD believes, had the stimulus measures worth $42 billion not been applied.
While stimulus measures in most countries haven’t had a “strong effect†in cushioning the drop in employment amid the deepest global recession since the 1930s, “Australia is a notable exception,†the OECD said.
The jobless rate held at 5.8 per cent last month, compared with 9.7 per cent in the US, 9.5 per cent in the euro region in July and 5.7 per cent in Japan.
(Source).
However...
It's working - OECD supports Labor stimulus
Australia’s jobless rate would be as much as 1.9 percentage points higher in 2010 without government handouts to consumers and infrastructure spending, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development says.
“Job losses would be significantly higher if vigorous macroeconomic measures had not been taken,†the Paris-based group said in a report released overnight.
Between 150,000 and 200,000 jobs would have been shed in 2009, the OECD believes, had the stimulus measures worth $42 billion not been applied.
While stimulus measures in most countries haven’t had a “strong effect†in cushioning the drop in employment amid the deepest global recession since the 1930s, “Australia is a notable exception,†the OECD said.
The jobless rate held at 5.8 per cent last month, compared with 9.7 per cent in the US, 9.5 per cent in the euro region in July and 5.7 per cent in Japan.
While the Australian government may well crow with regards to the wonders of this economy and sure unemployment is lowish by international standards,it should be remembered the growth in folk working far less hours than they would like,part time,and casual do go a way towards hiding the true figure of folk doing it tough.
Australia,is not an easy place to be for many these days as well as being down right hard for some.
Sep 19th 2009 | 12:56 pm
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
Probably why the unemployment rate is alot lower in OZ then Europe is that the dole is alot less then Europe not enough to survive on and you have to work for the dole, so in OZ accepting any job like a street sweeper or cleaner is better then being on the dole, but in the UK some people probably just stay on the dole rather then take some low paid crappy job.
Sep 19th 2009 | 1:23 pm
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
Probably why the unemployment rate is alot lower in OZ then Europe is that the dole is alot less then Europe not enough to survive on and you have to work for the dole, so in OZ accepting any job like a street sweeper or cleaner is better then being on the dole, but in the UK some people probably just stay on the dole rather then take some low paid crappy job.
Here in Oz it was regarded as being good back in 96 and very possibe to live on....but what with the massive increase in living in Australia over a relatively period of time,it goes not very far these days,especially as it is calculated differently for the annual increase and rent payments have barely increased over the years,although rent has three fold. Hence a life choice of being able to live simply on the dole would be somewhat difficult to maintain these days.
Sep 19th 2009 | 1:26 pm
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Near the bottom for education too with OECD
Near the bottom for education too with OECD
Sep 19th 2009 | 1:28 pm
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
Well nowhere is perfect perhaps,but did meet a number of poorish and certainly jobless Aussies and others living a far better life than could be expected in their home countries in places such as Cambodia,Laos,Thailand to name a few places.
Sep 19th 2009 | 1:28 pm
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160.000 on the dole cheaper than 40 billion debt plus interest ? and an artificial property market to boot.
160.000 on the dole cheaper than 40 billion debt plus interest ? and an artificial property market to boot.
Sep 19th 2009 | 1:31 pm
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Sep 19th 2009 | 1:34 pm
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
The figures are always skewed as women who have a working partner and may be older and not so bad off, when they lose their jobs they do not register as unemployed and looking for work and there are many of them, my friend is one of them.
Also underemployment has been around in Aus for a long while now and casualising a lot of the workforce has not been good for a lot of people. Also lots of tradesmen lost their jobs in recent years and set up their own businesses as contractors they are not reflected in the figures either.
I believe our underemployment is just as bad as unemployment as far as providing jobs that give security so people can purchase their homes bring up a family etc.
My daughter has a casual job at the pub and not one of the staff there is permanent everyone is casual.
Also underemployment has been around in Aus for a long while now and casualising a lot of the workforce has not been good for a lot of people. Also lots of tradesmen lost their jobs in recent years and set up their own businesses as contractors they are not reflected in the figures either.
I believe our underemployment is just as bad as unemployment as far as providing jobs that give security so people can purchase their homes bring up a family etc.
My daughter has a casual job at the pub and not one of the staff there is permanent everyone is casual.
Sep 19th 2009 | 1:42 pm
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
The figures are always skewed as women who have a working partner and may be older and not so bad off, when they lose their jobs they do not register as unemployed and looking for work and there are many of them, my friend is one of them.
Also underemployment has been around in Aus for a long while now and casualising a lot of the workforce has not been good for a lot of people. Also lots of tradesmen lost their jobs in recent years and set up their own businesses as contractors they are not reflected in the figures either.
I believe our underemployment is just as bad as unemployment as far as providing jobs that give security so people can purchase their homes bring up a family etc.
My daughter has a casual job at the pub and not one of the staff there is permanent everyone is casual.
Also underemployment has been around in Aus for a long while now and casualising a lot of the workforce has not been good for a lot of people. Also lots of tradesmen lost their jobs in recent years and set up their own businesses as contractors they are not reflected in the figures either.
I believe our underemployment is just as bad as unemployment as far as providing jobs that give security so people can purchase their homes bring up a family etc.
My daughter has a casual job at the pub and not one of the staff there is permanent everyone is casual.
Really at a loss to comprehend how many folks can have much hope of prospering in this brave new world..or even to tread water.
Sep 19th 2009 | 1:59 pm
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Re: Australia: where the poor are poorer
The research carried out would have been done in the liberal howard years, I doubt Howard and his government gave a rats ass about the poor.
Things hopefully will be changing with Labour in power.
Things hopefully will be changing with Labour in power.
