Australia - The Right to Leave
Aug 7th 2005, 12:51 pm
#16
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
Originally Posted by Flutterscutter
You have a very fair and valid point there, and i agree. Thing is, theres not much we can do about past mistakes, only learn from them.
I dont agree with all the points made in the OP either, but there never seems to be any scope to discuss the middle ground or have a sensible debate on the subject.
I dont agree with all the points made in the OP either, but there never seems to be any scope to discuss the middle ground or have a sensible debate on the subject.
I'm off to 
i bet by the AM this will be some sort of pro/ anti racist slanging match 
Night night
xxx
Aug 7th 2005, 1:02 pm
#17
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
Originally Posted by Storini
The Swiss have a very firm approach to acquiring citizenship. You can't just acquire it by sticking around for a couple of years and then turning up at a ceremony. You have to demonstrate that you have taken on Swiss values and become integrated into the community (http://switzerland.isyours.com/e/imm...n/citizenship/ ).
Further, in some Swiss cantons all the existing resident citizens are entitled vote on whether you should in fact receive citizenship, and veto it if they so choose. That's what I call real local democracy, and something like that is needed in UK and Oz.
Further, in some Swiss cantons all the existing resident citizens are entitled vote on whether you should in fact receive citizenship, and veto it if they so choose. That's what I call real local democracy, and something like that is needed in UK and Oz.
No, now thats a tad scary
. I've heard they have rules in Switzerland about what time you can flush your toilets. If it annoys the neighbours you are screwed for citizenship. And when you go to sell a house in Switzerland, government inspectors come in to check it is acceptable to sell. They are very very thorough, they check in the cutlery drawer for a dirty mark etc.So, I'd guess we are looking for a balance between Swiss (toilet flushing extremism) and Oz/UK (no bombs please) moderism.
I'm not a fan of John Howard, but he did make the correct remark today. If you choose to live in this country, then you live by our values.
Aug 7th 2005, 1:26 pm
#18
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
Hey, I'm sorry to say that, but as some other said, this is all crap...
What if I say that Australia, before colonization was from the aborigene people?
So, did the colonizers adapt? spoke aborigene language? NO!!!
I think TOLERANCE is the word to be followed. We must live in peace, understanding other cultures etc.
THe world has no OWNER.
But I can imagine what you feel. We are all humans, aren' we?
Of course it makes more sense to convince 1 to speak english than convincing 100 to speak other language, etc...
George
What if I say that Australia, before colonization was from the aborigene people?
So, did the colonizers adapt? spoke aborigene language? NO!!!
I think TOLERANCE is the word to be followed. We must live in peace, understanding other cultures etc.
THe world has no OWNER.
But I can imagine what you feel. We are all humans, aren' we?
Of course it makes more sense to convince 1 to speak english than convincing 100 to speak other language, etc...
George
Aug 7th 2005, 2:58 pm
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
I think political correctness was developed by the far right to drive the unwary into their arms.
If you are not already a fascist, don't be drawn by stories designed to polarise society. It doesn't take much give the far right a foothold and a platform to deliver more poison.
If you are not already a fascist, don't be drawn by stories designed to polarise society. It doesn't take much give the far right a foothold and a platform to deliver more poison.
Aug 7th 2005, 3:16 pm
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
I agree with you!!!!
You said what I tried to say...
George
You said what I tried to say...
George
Aug 7th 2005, 3:21 pm
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
I dont see the point of moving to a new country that apeals to you, then try and change it.Thats the whole point of moving or am i missing the point .
When in rome
.When in rome
Aug 7th 2005, 3:48 pm
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
Originally Posted by Fuzzy Duck
Well maybe you should leave. 
What a load of intolerant racist crap this is, disgusting.
What a load of intolerant racist crap this is, disgusting.
Some people can't get their point across without getting personal, where as others who have a different opinion to me get it across in a polite way whilst making some very good points.
Aug 7th 2005, 3:59 pm
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
Well I have to agree with the article, although it may have been worded differently. I'm with the poster who said "when in Rome and all that...." many countries seem to be losing their identity IMHO.
Why move to a country where you don't believe in their values/beliefs
Tracey
Why move to a country where you don't believe in their values/beliefs
Tracey
Aug 7th 2005, 4:09 pm
#24
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Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
Originally Posted by JKA
This is an email I received which I thought you might like.
Australia- The Right to Leave>>
>>Our Country - YOU Have the right - the right to leave !
>>
>>After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas
>>lights.
>>
>>After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and
>>let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her
>>face covered.
>>
>>This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen.
>>Published in an Australian newspaper.
>>
>>Quote:
>>
>>IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It
>>I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
>>individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we
>>have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
>>
>>However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
>>"politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility
>>that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration,
>>nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by
>>coming to Australia.
>>
>>However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
>>our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
>>
>>This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only
>>to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we
>>have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
>>lifestyle.
>>
>>This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
>>and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
>>
>>We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
>>Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
>>of our society, Learn the language!
>>
>>"In God We Trust" is our National Motto. This is not some Christian,
>>right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian
>>men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this
>>is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on
>>the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
>>consider another part of the world as your new home, Because God is
>>part of
>>our culture.
>>
>>If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",
>>then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
>>planet.
>>
>>We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, And we
>>really don't care how you did things where you came from.
>>
>>This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
>>every opportunity to enjoy all this.
>>
>>But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag,
>>Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage
>>you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
>>
>>"THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".
>>
>>If you aren't happy here then f#@* off! We didn't force you to come
>>here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.
>>Pretty easy really, when you think about it.
>>
>>I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it
>>will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers,
>>lets all try, please.
Personally, I totally agree.
John
Australia- The Right to Leave>>
>>Our Country - YOU Have the right - the right to leave !
>>
>>After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas
>>lights.
>>
>>After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and
>>let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her
>>face covered.
>>
>>This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen.
>>Published in an Australian newspaper.
>>
>>Quote:
>>
>>IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It
>>I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
>>individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we
>>have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
>>
>>However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
>>"politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility
>>that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration,
>>nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by
>>coming to Australia.
>>
>>However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
>>our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
>>
>>This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only
>>to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we
>>have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
>>lifestyle.
>>
>>This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
>>and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
>>
>>We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
>>Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
>>of our society, Learn the language!
>>
>>"In God We Trust" is our National Motto. This is not some Christian,
>>right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian
>>men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this
>>is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on
>>the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
>>consider another part of the world as your new home, Because God is
>>part of
>>our culture.
>>
>>If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",
>>then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
>>planet.
>>
>>We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, And we
>>really don't care how you did things where you came from.
>>
>>This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
>>every opportunity to enjoy all this.
>>
>>But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag,
>>Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage
>>you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
>>
>>"THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".
>>
>>If you aren't happy here then f#@* off! We didn't force you to come
>>here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.
>>Pretty easy really, when you think about it.
>>
>>I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it
>>will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers,
>>lets all try, please.
Personally, I totally agree.
John
If you arrive in another country and don't like its culture perhaps you should not be there in the first place.Basicaly they should shut up moaning or go back on the first plane.UK is the same (to soft).I have been an immigrant in the past and hopefully in the future.You don't expect the country to change to suit you!
Aug 7th 2005, 11:13 pm
#25
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Posts: 144
Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
Originally Posted by JKA
This is what annoys me.
Some people can't get their point across without getting personal, where as others who have a different opinion to me get it across in a polite way whilst making some very good points.
Some people can't get their point across without getting personal, where as others who have a different opinion to me get it across in a polite way whilst making some very good points.
If you were stood in front of me you would not talk this kind of garbage so why do it over the internet.
You are a racist and a bigot.
Aug 7th 2005, 11:34 pm
#26
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 11,149
Re: Australia - The Right to Leave
Anyone remember that the Sydney lights were actually about budget cuts? Lets not get facts in the way of a silly rant. The letter writer is a racist trying to cover it up by claiming to be anti-PC. This country has an evolving culture influenced by the millions of migrants from all over the world. People like the writer would have ignored and derided the many traditions from European migrants that are now considered part and parcel of Australia. The letter writer should accept what Australia is now, not what it was 50 years ago when the whites only policy was in place and Aborigines didn't have the vote.
